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@cetus I mean if that happens I’ll definitely be more open minded lol anyway did you get much out of the consciousness work you’ve done so far? And be honest I’m looking for consistency for it to be worth it if I was a caveman wanting to know if a plant would kill me and another one seen one eat it I wouldn’t want them to say “see for yourself”

@Fran11 Sooo did you get anything out of it? Things worth trying are consistent you know?

@Forestluv I’m not trying to smart off yes ik that’s happening now but that just makes it all sound like you’re saying the obvious is a the goal here but if enlightenment is a thing then there should be something different from normal experience other wise that would be like chasing your tail and calling it life changing

@Fran11 I like the way you put it kind of like when you learn a skill and you don’t get good at it right away but can I ask have you had noticeable changes from it?

@Forestluv Ik I have a question for everything lol but ik when I open a door what room is going to be on the other side and I can use that same intuition for this but how to ik I’m not just making up the intuition in my head like people do a lot with the lottery?

@cetus So have you had at least some experiences that makes you confident that there’s something to it?

@cetus I get what you’re saying but I think the risk of it not really being there and wasting time is honestly just going by what other people say that’s why I’m struggling with the motivation. I guess maybe I need assurance that it is and to trust it.

@Leo Gura I’ve thought about it and the reason I’ve turned on all of this consciousness stuff is because of skepticism but I’m starting to notice I’m doing it with a lot of things in life to the point of losing motivation. Ik you’ve talked about healthy skepticism but can you briefly tell me the difference between being skeptical and being cynical?

@Leo Gura I’ll give 5meo a go if it can give me something other psychedelics haven’t

It’s not shallow to consider both possibilities it is to only consider one though what’s so wrong with trying to give someone constructive criticism from a fear of the blind leading the blind?

I said it’s possible that he’s right please read everything I said all I want to know is why he is so sure since people like yourself do trust him

I haven’t seen or heard him mention recently that maybe he’s not really where he says he’s at and again you have to make sure the person you’re following is legit instead of just saying not to worry about where they’re at that’d be like learning a skill off someone that isn’t completely qualified

I’m open to the possibility that he is where he says he is but I’m not sure that he’s open to the possibility that he’s wrong and if you actively follow someone they’re going to rub off on you I haven’t followed him in awhile but I’m saying for the people that do follow him you can’t follow someone closely and then just say tell people not to worry where they’re at

That’s not the point it’s that he shuts down people that clearly are following him “what’s great about Leo is he always stresses” and you say to only worry about your own experience well how are you supposed to be properly guided if you do that? And your teacher constantly telling you they’re always above you while you actively follow them? Follow your own advice I’m just trying to make sure the advice is credible for others to be so devoted to someone who gaslights them for disagreeing and then convinced them to think for their self like they didn’t just get pumped full of information.