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There is reality and there is the illusion of reality. One is real, one is unreal. Question is how can the real admit the unreal when real is all. The unreal is imagined and this is illusion. The real is changeless, the unreal changeful. So what changes is illusion. The job of life is to sweep away illusions and to abide in the real. Like @Breakingthewall says, merge the perceiver and the perception. The key insight is that perception is not a fact, it is interpretation! I don't need to see illusions! I need to walk around declaring all around, unreal. This is the only mantra I need. It works.

Not denial. All kinds of evil stuff is going to take place. And sometimes I get my share. This is why one needs to expedite awakening, to get beyond all that nonsense so it doesn't make one flinch any longer. What I know is, I am doing everything to myself! These are my lessons I needed to heal myself. Illusion for me is what blocks the real. The appearance hides the essence. It beguiles me and encaptivates me and keeps me spinning my wheels so I never go within to undo it. It's a masterfully ingenious strategy, fool proof indeed but not God-proof.

You want miracles not magic. Magic is what says, man am I good or what - while miracles are what get everyone out of here alive not dead.

Sure its not simple. We all want to stay here. Like St Augustine says. give me chastity Lord but only I bang my current squeeze for a while. Forgiveness has been corrupted as a term and so it is nothing to those who don't understand that it undoes everything that is false leaving only what is true. There are divine thoughts and ego thoughts. One is, this person is cool and the other is everyone is cool. Just live as God does.

For me there is illusion then there is unillusion if you will and this is the opening or the miracle. For example someone slaps me. I feel angry and immediately I say how silly, this is utterly unreal. The slapper is wholly innocent and pristine perfection. And gosh I guess I am too.

We live in a place that admits definitions so we need definitions to undo definitions. We live in an apparent dual reality. We need to roll back one side of the coin and so we need a metaphysics and an epistemology to do so. For me mind is real and matter is unreal.

There is only one helpful illusion and that is the one that rolls back illusions. All I see is unreal, that's called forgiveness. This opens the door to the real.

Are you a materialist or an idealist? For me forms are illusion; so is time space and separation. Only what is changeless is real. All else is keeping the dream alive.

Yes we are on same page. When I say suffering is an illusion, it isn't to a body but it sure is to me. Suffering to me is nothing because I am reality and can never be hurt harmed or hell-bound. Spirituality is going from the unreal to the real. I am mistaken in what I am and I need correction. Ego is any thought that doesn't include every single person. When I cull this, I recover my true nature that was seemingly blocked by my entertaining limiting thinking.

Fact is however here IS suffering and death and there is freedom and eternity. Human is flawed and needs corrective measures and THAT done right is spirituality. You are proposing a false equivalence between here and there, like they are both good and natural and inevitable and everlasting. I am not sure. I know here is not so great. And I experienced better when here quit for a while.

It's the only thing you can't be addicted to. Ask instead, what problems it is visiting on you. For example, time management or relationship boundaries. Remember that ego and meditation are sworn enemies.

We are denying the absolute each moment in favor of a stunted existence right? Yes we need to admit the absolute. It's our nature and destiny. And we don't deny the relative. This creates resistance and reinforcement. All one need do is give up judging and reacting. This creates the opening for the absolute.

Suffering is being what you're not. Why suffer this indignity? Is there any joy or benefit in relativity? You strayed in to this realm needlessly.

Ego can't stop suffering. Ego IS suffering. Ego IS thought. Can a thought stop being a thought? So when thought arises, undo the thought. The opening is created. Ego is impotent. Power can arise.

For me illusions cast a veil upon reality. We want the veil while we believe we are a person living as best we know. Realizing we are not and dropping the veil and returning to where we never left are one and the same event.

I regard you as fiend or friend as thus my life flows in suffering or in joy. I need you and you need me.

Previously the world tortured me. Now I torture me. More devilishly, I blame them as being the cause of my self-inflicted torture.

All illusions are completely real within the illusion. Only stepping outside them are they seen to be nothing - never real, never true, never anything at all.

One who asks whether God is just another illusion is asking this within the illusory split consciousness. Truth cannot be proven in limitation; it comes when illusion is let go. To do this look through the world you see, to feel a presence that cannot be doubted, because it is what you are. Until then, all ‘realizations’ of nothingness, fullness, emptiness etc. are shadows dancing on a wall. Beyond them is a light that you did not invent and cannot deny. That is the experience of God, and always call to you.

He's one of the few to make a lick of sense. If he's gone I'm out of here too.

I blame Leo. We all want to ride the Leo coattails and say we too know. But me I agree with you all the way.

Do it. Don't worry what others do or say. They are your forgiveness lessons. Go into the lion's den and beckon the lion come at you. You made the lion and your fear of it.

me an i ngl!

But do I want to be changed? Nah I don't thanks. And nor does the world want changing. When I wake in the morning, my one mission is to not change. I plead with the world at large to corroborate me, validate me, love me as I am. Reason is I am doing good as I am, right? And I definitely don't want to confront the nagging existential terror of confronting who I actually might be thanks. Please continue to dig me deeper into this ever more mind-blowing reality and whatever you do, don't change one thing. I'll do likewise for you. Deal!

My take on this if I may is as follows. The journey is, to put it in basic terms most have some inkling of, Jesus to Christ to HS to God. Jesus is you as word made flesh, Christ is doing the change of identity work, HS is then becoming the whole manifest reality that you see through forgiveness, and God is having done this opening up and merging with the unmanifest reality. And forgiveness means, to walk around and notice whenever not at peace - to withdraw interpretation and ask HS for a better one knowing well I am never unhappy for the reason I think.