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@Shin Would not consider myself awoke, but had multiple awakenings into my true nature and what awareness is But always great to learn or study things until a point when it is not necessary anymore. I do have a non dual awareness much more then I have an ego but it is not permanent as of yet. So im going through a bit of a dark night of the soul, I know im not real but at times im totally real lol.. Not there yet, even tho I recognize that there is no path cause awareness is always awareness

@snowyowl My pleasure

@Shunyata Psychedelics can def show you what consciousness is, you wont keep all the insights tho, but I feel that it has opened a portal within me. The thing is, Psychedelics can be so radical and insane states of conciousness that you will feel that you died and dissapeared as a human, your life is gone.

@snowyowl your mind thinks time exists just as cause and effect, but everything happens on its own, for example, deep sleep is awareness devoid of objective stuff, so time clearly doesent exist, deep sleep is proof of it. It is pure awareness which is love and peace. Thats why we love to sleep. But from deep sleep awareness transitions without a " YOU" thats doing anything into creating a dream character and a dream world without anything causing it, it is awareness which creates and holds differences within it. So in order to experience something it has to create a mind and an "objective shared world" But know that you as a character can realize ur own unreality and whats shines forth is the eternal awareness that you always have been. Awareness cant go anywhere, it is already unborn and can't die.

@Cosmin_Visan I agree with you on the points, tho im not so sure about the dissociate state of conciousness, it might be, like returning to ur primordial state and you might see how Mind works and how creation can arise, and what conciousness is, god is the best word to use, but people do get this insights without psychedelics aswell, just that on psychedelics ur rigid mind gets lubricated and you see the potential conciousness holds within it. But like people who experience such radical experiences and goes through really profound stuff, there is people who have experienced other forms of conciousness on psychedelics and so forth, but somehow I feel that IAM is the first thing in existence or is existence itself and then conciousness somehow uses energy to create patterns that ur mind takes in and makes the world more consistent and rigid, but when mind changes the world changes as well, and conciousness can recognize its own true nature. You can wake up and recognize ur true nature without a psychedelics, tho I feel that psychedelics can show you very different states of conciousness then waking dreaming and sleeping.

Thanks for this

I have different teachers for different things, feels like i can get a broad understanding and then trying to actualize it, but rupert spira is awesome, have read 2 of his books, really good and well written

@from chaos into self Yeah and I think that it is a given that everything that exists is conciousness, in different degrees. But I would say that GOD is the first "consciousness " that arose, or conciousness has never arosen it has always been there dormant, like deep sleep, but it had infinite potential so in order to experience a body and a mind and an objective world it actualizes some of its potential and is then locked to that particular "world " until death or real samadhi. It is a dream in gods mind in the same way you in ur sleep create an entire world out of nothing with characters, thats what awakening is about, realizing ur infinite nature. Unborn immortal. Infinite conciousness were always infinite conciousness just parading as a limited body and mind. But they are nothing but conciousness, likewise with all characters and worlds and universes, Like on psychedelics where you actually get a taste of this power it holds. It is going in every direction but at the same time it never moves. Experience changes, but never awareness, and this awareness that I have and you have is nothing but conciousness, and thats what we are, so you and me are the same Mind we have just forgot that we where

@from chaos into self Agreed! And for example the peace you feel in deep sleep, is awareness pure state, devoid of objects, but it is from that state which everything arises, there is no time and space if we think about it in those states, and in the dreaming state conciousness creates a character and a dream world, it takes the form of that character and forgets this world, so GOD should be infinite conciousness dreaming everything up, it is the most logical conclusion if we look at our experience

From what i gathered in the book she claims that conciousness is a limitation and is not divine, that the body can experience without conciousness. Conciouness is arising because of the brain. And that what matter actually is , is conciousness. And what we percieve as matter is spirit ? Sounds like a materialistic view in disguise yet believes that the divine is real but we can,t experience the divine, and that another level of existence is possible behind conciousness. I do wonder how it would even be possible to even know about the Divine without conciousness, and Conciouness is the first thing that arises, in all of our experience. And in order for something to manifest atleast as we know it, it requires experience and some sort of awareness? So if GOD is all powerful, it would mean that his infinite mind creates thanks to conciousness. So for GOD to know it existed it required awareness. If not, then how is it possible for non concious things to create concious things? What sparked it? Existence in my understanding is : awareness, without it there is blank nothing We as "humans" can def know the divine thanks to conciousness. So if the divine is what created this all world, but it is beyond conciousness, it means that this world is randomly manifested out a nothingness? Just throwing around some thoughts i had after reading the book

@Leo Gura what are ur thoughts on her views?

In order to experience something infinite conciousness imagines differences inside of it self and takes the form of mind and body, but ur pure awareness conciousness is not moved by experience, what is there for god to do but to experience itself? Creation is limitation but it is also love, we have desires in our heart looking for something, the thing you are looking for is GOD. But in order to experience differences it limits itself and forgets that it is GOD and creates a world and different points of view. But you never left infinite conciousness.

Yep ur personality and the one you think is you is not real, but you have been conditioned ur whole life by society so it can take alot of time to see through the ego, keep investigate what the I thought points to and feel into it, try to hold it.

Have listened to a couple of episodes and I think he is OK actually!

@bensenbiz Thanks m8! I actually do alot of self inquiry and staying in the present and trying to feel into different sensations in the body and head and investigate the I thought. I do this at work and everywhere I can, thats whats good with self inquiry, can do it anywhere.

Since I started doing serious meditation and self inquiry i have noticed multiple times like a mini awakening that iam actually a dot who renders my body and world lol it is such a weird feeling to look at ur arms and really see through it and they are not really real somehow. And when im totally in the present and walking and observing everything around me, im not really moving or going anywhere, the world moves, such a strange feeling. Like im walking on the same spot just different scenes

@cuteguy haha the funny thing is bro my intuition is actually telling me that iam waking up like for real, I got small realizations kinda often it feels like, feels like it builds up. Life is amazing

@Bulgarianspirit True like an feedback loop

@cuteguy lol true!! There is no difference with inside and outside either, reality is so god damn magical!!

Yeah and peoples trip on salvia where they turn into a glass of orange juice or a coffee table lol ? all things is conciousness in there own way