Bogdan

True dat... i'm 25 now and looking back 24 was reaaalllly really tough. And although it was only a year ago, it feels light-years away. Just in case you're reading, @Topann, your post reminded me of my own most difficult times and it triggered the kind of polarizing attitude that got me into it, but also through it, which was a sort of harsh, kick myself in the ass type thing. Perhaps that is not what you need right now, or perhaps it is, who knows? But i know one thing, what @Nahm said is very true. I almost ALWAYS experienced a "bottoming out" before a breakthrough. That doesn't mean that the breakthrough will happen automatically, but it's 100% in your power to transform that low into a high.

Not even sure what is "responsible" or not to tell people that are in these kind of states. Nevertheless, you are deluding yourself if you think you can kill yourself. Suicide is kinda pointless, because there is no such thing as the "real death" that you speak of. The truth is that you are stubborn and stuck in some thinking patterns/beliefs that create such an emotional response and reflected/projected circumstances that it makes life SEEM not worth living. And you could just change those beliefs and you could see the beauty of life. But if you're too lazy, or if the inertia of your patterns is too big then i guess no one can stop you from doing what you're gonna do. And that's fine. The world will go on fine without you. But contemplate this: the process through which you are trying to decide whether or not to kill your body is through thoughts/language - which is one of the body's survival mechanisms. So it's basically just a technical problem of the body, where one of it's survival strategies has gone rogue and turned against itself, kinda like an autoimune disease. Ofc it's super complex and whatnot, but basically that's how i currently would put it in a nutshell.

Ok so there is a feedback system between your beliefs and your emotions. Yes, feeling is telling the truth, but not exactly how you describe it. Feeling good means you are interpreting things correctly, and feeling bad means you're distorting things. So you're not feeling bad because you're actually bad. But quite the opposite. Your thought/belief is "i'm bad" and the emotional response is "nope, that's incorrect" - and the way that manifests is "feeling bad". This feedback system works kinda like pain. The body lets you know through pain that you are doing something "incorrect" (relatively, ofc) So you see, the very fact that you have good and bad feelings (even if they're mostly bad) is a very testament of God's permanent love and guidance. You are always guided. God is ALWAYS here giving you feedback for your every thought, indiscriminately. The bad feelings you're feeling are so intense also because you have multiple beliefs that stack upon each other and form vicious circles and loops, for example: - you believe that you haven't done ANYTHING in terms of spiritual growth. This is not true, therefore your emotional guidance system makes you "feel bad" -you believe that you are just a devil and that you don't deserve love, that is also untrue and therefore you get the appropriate "negative" emotional response - you believe that that there is something utterly wrong with you - here there are multiple assumptions that make this one tricky. You are defining "YOU" as only the person - body - ego, which gives a negative response just because THAT is not true, and then everything you define about yourself after that is inherently not true, because that is not who you REALLY are. (The emotional guidance system takes things very literally ) I guess you can see a pattern there. I cannot walk you through every single nuance of your belief-emotion loops. So i'm gonna try to give you some practical advice: A big thing that has helped me get over my anxious phase in life was practicing opening my mind. I would remind myself that every time i am stuck in negative emotional loops, i am actually being closed-minded. QUESTIONS are a great way of opening the mind, because they have a unique way of bypassing the "HAVE TO" traps of the thinking mind, which can trigger negative beliefs, which can then trigger negative emotional loops. Some great questions to ask are: "what if this is actually perfect the way it is?" or "what if this is actually perfection?" or "what if i am being closed minded right now? But really, there is no replacing getting used to NOTICING every time you "feel bad" to reframe that in your mind as being firstly, a POSITIVE thing, and secondly THE signal that you are currently THINKING SOMETHING THAT IS UNTRUE!!! Let your bad feelings be the instant bullshit stopper that re-ground you. So a very simple pattern is this: 1. Recognize that you're feeling bad 2. Know that that is your emotional guidance system telling you that you something about your interpretations of YOURSELF and REALITY is distorted 3. Identify (using the emotional guidance system) what that belief is 4. Replace those negative beliefs by finding better FEELING ones. (you can always start by opening your mind and by labeling everything as God's Infinite and Perfect Wisdom. That is always Absolutely True, and thus it will offer instant emotional positive response) Practice this! it took me about 3 years to get kinda good at it. I hope this helps.

@ivankiss I get that, but the way you are butthurt about it just makes me want to make fun of you for it. That's MY honest truth . I mean, to me it sounds like you really want to hear something from us, or the people around you. Something very specific, like "yeeeees Ivan, we shouldn't be disrespectfull *derp*". In other words, you're acting needy. Children are needy, and children need the lovey-dovey kind of love - the type you are talking about. They cannot handle harshness yet. And so instead of making anymore fun of you and treating you harshly and wasting anymore of my time debating you i'm gonna say that i truly love you. See you on the "other side"

SOMETIMES that's what it means. Right now you are the one twisting and turning these things into one single partial perspective so you can demonize them and not actualize them. Love is al encompassing. No exceptions.

Devils use literally ANYTHING to justify their unconsciousness. So you're damned if you do and if you don't. All you can do is be authentic to who you are right now. Ok, i tried

Yeah, because that is NOT your survival strategy, so you're up here defending it.

This is your bias then, your survival strategy. An what pisses you off is that others don't follow YOUR survival strategy.

For the past 3-4 years i have watched every carnivore and every vegan video i could find, and everything in between. I have not seen ONE person that has successfully healed their gut problems on their own, by just throwing stuff at their body. I just watched your latest blog video and i find it so interesting that your research hasn't revealed to you the trap of the carnivore diet. No amount of fasting and carnivore, or any other diet changes can get rid of SIBO, Leo. No amount! My claim is that everyone who says they healed their gut is either delusional or straight up lying. Or they didn't have SIBO in the first place, or their case wasn't that severe and just eliminating one food left them with no symptoms and thus they think that they're cured, when they actually aren't. When you actually get rid of your gut issues you can eat a whole food plant based diet! It doesn't depend on your genes. No need to get rid of starches or grains. All that ancestor stuff is bullshit. You dove into a very broad category of health related things, but it's obvious to me (thanks to your teachings) that you haven't dove in deep enough in all these rabbit holes, but from how long it took me i understand. You are doing an enormous amount of work, and you dove into a way broader category of things than i have, but some of those are kinda a waste of time and some of those are misleading, like all the grains and starches being bad for you is. I don't understand why you won't talk to someone like Gojiman, who clearly gets results, repeatedly, with many people! I would take all the tests Gojiman says and take a consultation with him, and take his treatment exactly how he lays it out. (it doesn't have to be him, I keep talking of him specifically because i trust him and he clearly has results) Until you do this you aren't really trying, in my opinion.

Beautiful!

@Michael569 This whole thread has been a good reminder to not idolize anyone. Seems like one can never be too careful with that whole ideology thing . The guy that made the video clearly knows a lot of physiology and speaks very confidently, but i wouldn't trust him on doing proper meta analysis on his own like that. Yeah probably Gojiman has a bias against oils, but then again, oils aren't that healthy anyways. That has been proven time and time again. @Leo Gura I will be more careful about giving unsolicited advice. My intention was healthy constructive criticism, based on things you stated in public videos that were about your health. @The0Self Interesting, it does make sense, but idk. Anyway it beats having to deal with cramps, bloating, diarrhea, mental fog and stuff like that . I will post my own results in (hopefully) a few months from now.

I know that he doesn't prescribe the same thing to everyone. And i don't think it's about what you take, but more so how you take them. He advises against taking these things blindly on your own. From what i understand there is a very strategic protocol of quickly repopulating the good bacteria without repopulating the bad ones after the treatment is done. And it's things like that to me seem impossible to nail on your own, because it's personalized based on your unique bacterial profile. That was one of my arguments/criticisms all along - that in your mind you think you went down that route and tried all the antibacterials and the supplements, but maybe you overlooked some crucial part of that process that nullifies (is that the right word?) the whole thing.

From what Leo described he didn't try what i'm suggesting. And if he did he would've corrected me. I'm not expecting it to work 100% guaranteed and i'm not putting my eggs in only one basket. It is the thing that makes the most sense and that produces the most results from what i've found so far. So yes i'm hopeful but also skeptical. My intention is not to proselytize. What i observe is a general closed-mindedness and that's what i'm trying to point out - and of course i am not immune to that, as Leo often says. Generally, people who go carnivore are the ones with the worst gut issues that can't possibly imagine that it's possible to fix their gut and go vegan (or mostly plant based whatever, i'm not saying you should go 100% vegan). So they form all sorts of ego patterns and whatnot to convince themselves of that. That's where nut cases like Paul Saladino, Ken Berry, Shaun Baker and even Joe Rogan make things worse. Because they have a certain authority and in their minds veganism will always be bullshit and the antinutrients in plants are the devil (which they are not, btw, it's again their gut issues that's reacting to those otherwise harmless substances). On the other hand, vegans are generally toxic SD green hippies that moralize about killing animals, and couldn't see the necessity of someone going carnivore in the short term. But that's where i think vegans are also right in the sense that there is no point in prolonging the carnivore phase, and that you should go directly into treatment. There's nothing special about Gojiman, even he himself said so. And he isn't the only one that's getting results with this type of approach. But from what i and anyone can observe, from looking at his case studies, he is getting actual results, and he has dedicated his life to this. As Leo said in his last integrity video, given the nature of the things he talks about, i expect Leo to be open minded. So that's what i'm so insistent when i say "Leo, if you haven't tried working with Gojiman (for example), then you haven't actually tried everything". And i expect of him not to get triggered, and to have a productive conversation. I also hope and expect of him to point out any flaws in my arguments (which he does!) Of course i would ideally be talking after having gotten treatment, presenting personal experience. But it's taking me a long ass time to gather money, so until then it's conversation i guess.

I agree with that it offers relief but it does not solve the gut issue. I have considered going carnivore, but my symptoms aren't as worse as Leo's. Currently i can manage until i gather all the money to get treatment. It was an analogy ... LOL

Dude... the inuit have horrible health, and a very low life expectancy. Even their mummies had atherosclerosis. The more meat free a civilization is, the longer they live and the healthier they are. This is an undeniable fact.

If you are sick every time you eat vegetables you should consider that there might be an underlying issue that is giving you those symptoms. It's not the plants, and your body being incompatible with them. It's the gut problem! I would suggest that you are looking in the wrong direction. I mean, sure, try an elimination diet, but don't try to make it work long term. You clearly have something in you that is reacting to what you put in the body and also on the body, so consider taking some gut tests and working with a professional (never on your own) on solving them. Elimination diets do not solve the problem. The problem is so complex that in my opinion you absolutely need to work with a specialist, such as Gojiman, who clearly produces undeniable 100% results. Not some half-assed "i went on carnivore and now i just have to keep my intake of beans and potatoes low and i'm fine" type of stuff. Which is still great, better than before, but the problem is not fixed! There are literally thousands of different iterations of the same gut problem, and there are thousands of gut problems, and any combination of them on top of that. It's so freakin complex! And this is the first time in history when we actually are beginning to fully heal our gut issues and "heal our lower chakras". That's why everyone is showing so much resistance to it. No, but i use ze magnificent internet in general. I did talk to a lot of doctors, though. I have many in my family and many of our peers are doctors since my eldest uncle was the headmaster of the University of Medicine here in my hometown. So i've had quite a few people to bounce my ideas off of. But Leo is right, these doctors don't really know much about gut health and nutrition and the interconectedness of stuff, so... I find that the 80/20 or even 90/10 rule applies really well here. There are those weird rare exceptions and they become exponentially more rare the more we approach that 1%. But let's ignore those exceptions for now. Also, i think this dog training analogy works well here: Not all dog's problems are the same, but all dogs are the same - meaning that they all have different traumas and psychological and behavioral issues (content), but the training principles, are the same (structure). Not all gut problems are the same, but all guts are the same (again, let's ignore the weird rare exceptions). What ya'll seem to be missing is this distinction between the content of moving from one diet to another, and the structure, which is gut health. Of course, @Leo Gura i'm not suggesting that you should go off carnivore now, especially to a vegan diet lol. But i don't think that you're actually approaching the problem at it's root, which is your gut issues. And i'm sorry, but taking antibiotics on your own as you described doesn't seem a very wise or responsible way of approaching the problem. And it's possible that if you were to work with Gojiman some antibiotics will be involved at some point, and in your mind maybe "you already have tried that". But you didn't REALLY try it in the right context. Ya know why i bring Gojiman up so much, Leo? Because i've watched all of his videos and all of your blog videos and what you have tried in the past is exactly what Gojiman suggests that you shouldn't do. Including the taking of antibiotics and fasting. And he is the one that actually solved his debilitating gut issues, and is reliably and consistently solving other's gut issues also. But i feel that i've made my point. I will try to stop now Again... what people don't seem to understand is that it's not the plants that are causing the gut problem. You're (probably) not one of those exceptions. The gut problem is what's reacting to the plants!

Yep, he's great!

@datamonster i don't think that's a helpful attitude. If you're suffering is that bad how can you focus on others suffering?

@Leo Gura Well yeah, that's why if i were you i would get on a consultation with Gojiman asap.

@Rilles Of course, but i'm gonna challenge his or anyone's views just like i challenge my own. I am still young and unwise, and i will make many mistakes and i still project a lot and stuff like that. But if i think someone is wrong i will say it. In my pursuit of gut health I drank my own piss for 6 months, for example. The conclusion that i got from that and from continuously researching is that it was unnecessary, and that it has potential health risks. There are a bunch of people that have been drinking their urine every morning for decades, and claim that they're just fine. But how do we know that they are actually fine? i don't think there is someone attracted to the carnivore diet or piss drinking that doesn't have gut issues. From all my research i think it would be better to skip those things altogether and directly go to someone who gets results and actually understands the human body.

@SaltyMeatballs She has gut issues that she refuses to get real treatment for because she is identified with her diet and being a "lioness" and plus se makes a lot of money giving carnivore advice and selling programs and stuff like that... She claims that plants destroyed their health and that carnivore healed her gut. That's not true. Her underlying gut problems are what reacted to the plants and f'd up her health. And carnivore didn't heal anything, she still can't eat any plants, and she's been on the carnivore diet for years i think.

@Leo Gura Granted. But still, people like Gojiman who actually get people from not being able to eat plants, to being able to eat plants, strongly argue against it, recommend a different route and back up their claims with experience and results.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHmZjV16rxExTImGh6I_buA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq2E1mIwUKMWzCA4liA_XGQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpyhJZhJQWKDdJCR07jPY-Q these 3 channels should be enough to get the basics

@Carl-Richard I wouldn't advise anyone to remove foods just like that. What needs to happen is a very in depth discussion with each individual to find out the exact cause of their struggle. Giving general advice like that is tricky and can be dangerous. People who eat a whole-foods, plant-based diet and are struggling to lose weight shouldn't cut out potatoes. They should consult a professional to have their gut checked.

@Carl-Richard Potatoes are very nutrient dense and incredibly satiating, so i wouldn't worry too much about that. If someone is worried that eating a bit too many potatoes is going to make them gain weight, then they're probably not moving too much throughout the day. Eating lower carb when losing weight can curb hunger and cravings and thus leading to more adherence, in SOME people. It's really unproductive to make it sound like everyone should lose weight by going low carb or everyone should eliminate grains and starches.