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@joshuahuebner Gold, Im glad I got to experience it before the mass deletion, the 2010's was the golden era for a lot of this stuff, after the meetoo movement / covid / Andrew Tate era a lot of dating/redpill content has been mass deleted. But just like everything else you outgrow the teachings and the space in general, I can understand why the mass deletion happened and its only something you appreciate as you get older but as an early 20 something year old trying to figure dating out it was truly great resource

Humans will always be humans no matter how "developed" you perceive them to be, there will always be a couple character flaws somewhere. Anyone who prescribes heavily to online mentors, understand you don't know them in real life, you don't know their true unfiltered beliefs on how they view the world. This applies even more to online figures that promote "consciousness", discuss new age topics, and has a following, there is a certain ego that someone develops after having mystical experiences or any success in general that makes them have an attitude of "others just don't understand their too stupid" Its not a coincidence that these "conscious" people usually always fall into right leaning topics, its a safe space for "ideas outside the matrix" this aligns with their core attitude. The best way to observe human nature is to contemplate on the levels deception the mind is able to cultivate. Leo has been hammering this point a lot in his blogs this year and I agree.

@AION Next time call out the frame she's putting out. Some times women are anxious and create distance as a defense mechanism. Build some vibe with regular convo and on a high point do a soft call out, something like "Why are you sitting so far it feels like I'm talking with my bro" , anything along those lines that calls out the situation and move closer or ask her to come closer. Establish a proper man to woman vibe, a girl your on a date with shouldn't get the feeling you guys are "friends" if she does give that energy its up to you whether you want to accept it or not. Also pro tip if you invite a girl over to your spot put boxes or other larger items on any sitting surface accept the one you want her to sit on

@Hardkill Ah we have a man of culture here, man I miss that era of "PUA" if thats what you'd call it glad I was around during this time, sources like that arnt going to come up in this day & age. Which leads to my next point, you cant have a guns blazing approach like this anymore what he did in 2008-2013 is way different than now. @LifeEnjoyer You'll be fine just make sure your approaches are calibrated don't push to hard. I remember when I was approaching on campus, I actually got called out for it twice, but I responded with "I'm a very social person I like meeting people" than switched topics. You only develop a reputation if your weird about it. Also are there colleges near the one you go to? My college had another one 15 minutes away from our main campus. We would sometimes take a bus over to that other one just to get some faces / vibe

@jacknine119 Stay outside the house and be busy, its hard to want to fap when you come home dead tired. Seriously only make your house a place where you Shower and Sleep, try this until you have better control of your urges

This is really good advice, have you thought about making more mainstream personal development on your youtube channel? It would be a good way of introducing "normies" into Shadow Work and other practices, kind of like what Leo did with spirituality. You have a really good way of articulating ideas especially on topics regarding psychology / relationships. Maybe something like "Psychology with Dr. Ana" @Dana1 https://www.youtube.com/@TheDiamondNet/videos -This is her channel

@fabger Try day game its surprisingly more forgiving, look for day time venues / gatherings and do approaches there, I also lean towards introversion, this approach is pretty good for this kind of personality. For night game as Leo said try to find other wings in your area to game with, join PUA forums get to know the layout, add value, and then make a post asking if there are any wings in your area. Night game is all about state management women want fun energy, this is easier when your with guys you can laugh / have fun with One forum I joined when I was heavy into this stuff lead to a 2 week long "boot camp" with one of the top guys and a few other members, cost about $1000 for travel / accommodation / coaching some of the best money I've spent in this space

@Raze This was an interesting conversation to listen too any more podcasts/discussions like this?

I swear this section of the forum never grows its always the same 3-4 people posting the same shit over and over this conversation is nearly identical to discussions had over 2 years ago by the same people, nothing productive will happen here

Boot camps from mainstream PUA's or coaches you don't know personally are 100% a scam the best tried and true method, join a dating / pua forum make an account, log a couple of experiences you have and add value, see who the top guys are, organize a trip to do a week long or 3 day bootcamp, take a plane ride or commute to get to the lead guy, do a lot of approaches under his "mentorship". I did this when I was deep into my PUA days and got to do a "bootcamp" with one of the advanced guys (150+ lays) and 2 other friends I made, it cost around $700 dollars total for a week (this included living accommodations, going out, and a kick back to the guy leading the camp)

@Miguel1 I second this every week make time to record for 30 minutes talking about whatever interests you. Review your content and watch the way you would watch any other creator. You'll learn a lot on how to speak and use body language in a more engaging way.

@jimwell What happened to her? Was she banned

Its not often I come across a video in the space of dating / relationships that I'm genuinely blown away by, but "Hoe Maths" (lmao) new video explaining relationships zones is one of the best foundational pieces of content I've watched on how to navigate dating. The interesting part is that it seems balanced as he also gives advice on how women can maneuver themselves in the dating market to find their ideal guy vice versa, without the angry Red-Pill dogma thats so strong in this space. It gives a high overview on how attachment and attraction plays for both men and women and provides nice explanations on the different relationships zones each person has when dating. This is a good video for beginners, it lays out a nice overview on how the dating market works and provides several verticals you can work on to improve your success. Check out the video

Let him be, some people don't change, theres no advice you can give him besides asking him clarifying questions

Malls are quickly becoming anti cold approach, in my local mall theres a sign that says "No Harassing Strangers" in the entrance, theres a lot of weird shit thats been going on socially and in the news that have people on edge. If you going to approach focus on the stores, particularly the clothing ones avoid really "public" areas like the mall asiles and food courts b/c thats where the security guards are and once they notice a guy spam approaching what seems to be random strangers you'll become a target.

Every couple of weeks I comeback to this forum with the anticipation of reading what insightful wisdom @Someone here posts truly an enigma

A few ideas, first what skills have you gained from chess that you can extrapolate to other career fields? I used to be a heavy gamer but was able to funnel, that creative, competitive, problem solving into programming. I started of learning how to mod a few of my favorite games, to building smaller basic games, to hackathons and then ended up becoming a software dev, it was not in my plans at all but I didn't see gaming as one skill but an outlet for skills I already possessed. Second, look into content creation, its 2023, people can make part-time to full-time income by creating a community about things that align with their passions. I recently watched a video on how some guy increased his chess rating from 0 to 1700 Elo in 1 year, that video got over 500k views and it came from a small channel with less than 5k subs. You can make similar videos like that, you can make a beginner series for people just starting off with chess, theres so many options. The bottom line is your not being creative enough stop thinking linearly, the people who make big money doing "passion activities" are either extremely gifted or have some other unfair advantage. If you don't fall into that camp the best thing to do is to try building a community around your passion by uploading interesting content (usually remaking content you already watch on the subject.) I have a friend that loves solving Rubix cubes, hes been to a few tournements and was able to place in the top 3 rankings for some of them. Theres no market for solving Rubix cubes, so obviously the compensation was shit, but he started recording his solves and uploading them to youtube. Then his followers started asking for tutorials on how to solve the cube, more advanced methods, tricks to get 15sec solves ect. This was close to 1.5 years ago. He recently opened up a patreon where he gives coaching to beginners looking to improve their solve time scores and also does custom solve reviews. He only has 12-15k subs Hes not at a full- time income yet but he was able to quit his job and do uber part-time, which is a much more enjoyable life than what he previously had.

Depends on your job honestly if you work warehouse/ low skilled jobs it doesn't really matter from my experience, for high skilled, high income jobs I wouldn't recommend, office politics could be a real problem if things go south.

Have to disagree here hight PLUS a good body on average tens to preform best in night clubs from my experience.

Online is frowned upon because you don't gain any skills as a man. I have a friend who has been with over 60+ women strictly from online, he's good-looking, 6'2, white, athletic, but when we go out he is socially uncalibrated, awkward and seems uncomfortable around attractive women. He mostly dates women less attractive then him and struggles with women who are better looking. Being friends with him, is a constant reminder that looks isn't the only piece of the pie when it comes to dating. I tried to get him to come out for some sessions back in the day and he didnt see the point since he was consistently getting his sexual needs met and didnt see the point in "constant rejection", but would complain he wanted "high tier girls" Most people dont really care about game or getting good with women they just want to find a girl that likes them and move on, which is fine but thats a definitive reason why most people look down on online game.

If we're talking about tribal times I would say it would mostly be harems. "Might is right" seems to be the ethos of that time period. A chief and his underlings would probably have access to most women and the rest would have to settle for what was left. I don't know if I would call that "primal" though as if you were physically capable enough you could just take what you wanted. Im pretty sure if women would have a say back then they would prefer longterm monogamy as that would ensure the best chance of their offsprings survial.

Being concerned about a woman body count often comes down to your own insecurities about having limited sexual experiences. Gaining more sexual experience and having more platonic female friends helped shed a lot of limiting beliefs i had about them. Lets do some math, say in high-school a girl has 2 partners, then she goes of to college and experiments and has 4 partners she graduates and moves to new city and gets with another 2 before finding someone she can have a longer term relationship with. Is being with 8-12 partners over a 10+ year period that bad? I live in a western country so maybe dating culture is different here but there are lot bigger flags to look for in a woman besides body count. I will admit that a woman with a higher body count than 20+ partners is 90% going to have mental health issues that they channel by being promiscuous. This also applies to men, when I was heavy into PUA again 90% of the guys I met were not suitable for long term relationships and had mental health issues they channeled through getting validation with bedding women. Its possible to have a high body count and be mentally healthy but its rare, as pursing a high body count often comes from bad mental health.

Arnt you the guy who got kicked out a bar for saying inappropriate things to girls? Going up to women and showing them tik toks of weird hypothetical scenerios regarding male female dynamics is almost always going to end up awkward, especially if your intent is to build some sort of attraction. You can go down this route once you already past hook point and you can feel a vibe but even then its sub-optimal game, why introduce "controversial" topics to a stranger? You know its weird because it took you multiple replies for you to even explain what you were showing the women. Your line of thinking in this thread represents someone who is bitter about women and if you don't think that is showing up when you show these women your tik tok videos your socially uncalibrated. Also go to a male therapist who has some understanding of dating dynamics and its still "in tune" with younger people. Your therapist should has some life experience solving the problems you've faced.

@tezk You should start your own blog about this stuff as well, synthisize all the information you've learned over the years and talk about different topics, it can also double as a script for your youtube videos.

This is very high quality advice, I knew of a guy when I was in college who was a massive pos and had extremely unethical practices about courting women, many women ended up coming forward after one reported him for sexual assault, the guy would brag about how banged drunk girls and said he still had videos from his high school days. There was an investigation conducted due to the number of complaints and 1 year later we never heard from him. People like the OP described don't really change unless they face steep consequences.