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That sounds very reductionistic.

I don’t get what you mean by this war question? if my country wanted me to go fight overseas i would desert and go live somewhere else. I have no intention of dying on a landmine fighting on someone else’s country. And i see no reason why i would stop being progressive? If anything i would want change even more. And you don’t need to be a conservative to be a strong leader. Strength of will is not specific to any developmental stage, nor any side of political spectrum. I personally think the democrats are just as capable of dealing with china as the conservatives. The US is in a very strong position, as long as it doesn’t loose the technological edge and doesn’t collapse politically it will come out on top. I don’t see conservatives as better for the tech sector than liberals or progressives, and to this day i haven’t seen anyone claim the are. On the political unity front, i see no way out that doesn’t involve the emergence of tier 2. And for tier 2 to emerge we NEED stage green to mature. For that purpose i don’t think electing stage blue people will do any good. —— Well, i don’t think “stage yellow conservatism” as a concept makes sense. Conservatives historically are the people who resist the emergence of a new memetic stage. Today they are the people who resist the arrival of stage green. From the middle ages to the age of enlightenment the conservatives were the people who resisted stage orange. Even back in tribal times, the conservatives tried to maintain the tribal purple values while the “progressives” of the time pushed for stage red unification through force. So, if this pattern continues a stage yellow conservative would be someone who’s resisting stage turquoise, though we probably won’t see that in our lifetime. That said, it is doubtful wether this pattern will hold up, i would bet it won’t. This pattern relies on the “my way is the correct way” of tier 1. So i doubt a tier 2 society will have people resisting new memes like our society does today. That doesn’t mean we won’t have people who want to conserve things, a stage yellow person can have any singular idea that today would be assigned to conservatives, like tighter border policies, less gun restrictions, or anything really. But i don’t think they would ever be “conservative”. They would be constantly trying to see what ought to be changed and what ought to be maintained, how it ought to be changed, going case by case. That’s my view. What do you think?

Bigger fish to fry than transgender bathrooms is something that conservatives should really take to heart. They are the ones obsessed with this question. This conservative way is a humanities reaction to the fear that is spreading due to the quick pace of change we are seeing in the world. And while caution in the face of problems is good and has it’s place, giving in to this fear will solve nothing. And that’s what conservatism has been in the americas, can’t speak for europe since i’m not up to date on European politics. That said, both in the us and in brazil this “populist wave” is largely people just giving in to fear and choosing to save what they can for themselves while telling themselves that it is not their problems. But guess what, IT IS. It is everyone’s problems. The world is changing quickly because technology is changing it. Going back to acting how we did 50 years ago won’t solve anything, on the contrary. Our problem is that our social structures aren’t changing fast enough to keep up with the technology advancements (of course it is more complex than that, but that’s the essence) If anything, we have to dare think farther than before. Be even more progressive in our way of seeing the world. If your car starts to go fast while sliding down a hill, hitting the brakes will make it roll over.

Hi, i’m wondering if any of you have tried practicing Kriya Yoga from hariharananda’s lineage, as is thought today by the Kriya Yoga foundation. They are the main folks teaching Kriya here in brazil, but their main seat is in the US. I’ve been practicing their teachings and it does make my mind way calmer, but i haven’t experienced any samadhi yet (though that might very well be on my lack of consistency). The reason i pose this question is that i heard “normal” Kriya is medula-centric, while in this specific lineage Hariharananda edited it to make it crown-centric. (Which, some redditors seem to argue, makes it not Kriya) That made me curious in regards to the differences, but i once heard the swami say we should not waste time trying to know the differences between lineages since that would open room for our ego to try and keep hoping from practice to practice, never actually delving deep into any of them. I believe there is truth to that, but at the same time i am a very curious person. Specially since my adhd makes the kriya last close to 1 hour every time (to do the first Kriya’s), so i would like to know that i am taking the optimal path to make use of all that investment. So, anyone with experience or knowledge about this specific lineage?

notion has the problem of not being future proof, the company can simply decide to trash all your notes. Also last i checked it doesn’t work offline, so there is that limitation as well. Although i have to admit the functionalities are neat.

@Leo Gura if i may, do you have any thoughts on obsidian in regards to bein a commonplace book or have you decided it is not worth looking into it?

Stage Red can know how to achieve success, they are daring and risk-taking, so many of them ascend financially. Their disadvantage is that they are more reckless than orange and so may end up losing their wealth or going to prison at some point.

There is no leverage to be used against China. the sanctions that are already in place are as strong as they can be without hindering the american economy to a much larger extent than it does china. They can’t be bombed since they have nukes. The only threat that could actually harm them is the west backing some form of internal revolution or coup. The USA needs China more than China needs the US. Another thing, how could the US threaten China to make them vaccinate people, when a large part of the americans have refused to vaccinate as well?

@Stovo It is not irrelevant, the stronger the protection the less the virus reproduces inside each person (also contaminates less people overall) and therefore the less it mutates.

As the title implies, i still don’t know exactly what it is, some definition seem to be weirdly worded, other places i don’t know if they are talking about the same thing i am searching. Sooo, is contemplation sitting down and thinking about what you really think deep down about something?

@Leo Gura the mass flagged him, going video by video, hoping youtube would find something. and youtube did. apparently it was some old video that had an excerpt of a film with nudity in it. and it does appear to be the case that he got permabanned.

i maintain what i said, you did not address my point. SD focuses on cognitive and mainly moral development. It seems to me that If you don’t embody systems thinking, you are not tier 2, regardless of your life experiences. Now, how can you be loyal to the meta-stability of a complex system and a nation-state at the same time?

i have a hard time buying that. Loyalty to one’s nation when most contemporary problems are international in cause and nature, just screams tier 1. Being loyal to an outdated concept is almost the opposite of the flexible and systemic nature of tier 2 thinking. One cannot foster the meta-stability of a complex and ever changing system while staying loyal to a small part of it.

We? thanks but i’m ok right now. Didn't fight the US when they invaded Iraq, nor Libya, nor Syria, nor while they are helping conduct an actual GENOCIDE in Yemen. Also didn’t fight Israel while they destroyed Palestine. The US is also bombing Somalia as the war in Ukraine unfolds Are you doing anything about these wars?

what did you lost, if i may ask?

@JosephKnecht Same thing can be said for the general. He is there to protect imaginary borders, the fact that he is in the military at all is a sign he is devoting himself to protect and expand a collective ego built on aggression and violence. You use “what he could use” to judge the general but uses “what he needs” to judge the soldier? Nice double standards. A If you think the military is the best use of your time, you are very likely centered at blue, be it in a general position, or in a foot soldier position. What i said about the soldier was just to show how you “could” theoretically, use the same argument you used but towards the foot soldier.

It that doesn’t entail dying from starvation, always choose to be you. In this last year or so i found there is nothing that hurts the soul as much as having to pretend to be someone else. My parents are very open minded, but i had a very close relationship to my boss (i’m an intern in a law firm) and i felt his expectations towards me and i really wanted to live up to them, maybe one day be a partner in his firm. But it wasn’t what i dreamt for my life, and as hard as it was to tell him i wanted to leave it was one of the most liberating things i’ve ever done. You really want to spend years of your life in something that doesn’t make you full filled? Go have a serious talk with them, it will be worth it.

this sensation of losing your mind in the ego fighting to not lose control over you. It’s scary, but it’s just that.

By that logic a foot soldier could be turquoise because he needs to understand himself as well as possible to be the most effective soldier in some specific situation. Truth is that organizations have a collective ego and the people who will rise through the ranks are either those who have friends in high places ( which in most developed countries are either blue or orange), or the ones who align best with the collective ego of the institution (likely blue, but sometimes red or orange as well).

patriotism is blue

I mean, it’s probably rare to find stage orange people planning that long, but it’s not impossible. You can have a businessman planning the business empire that he will build and how he plans his family and successors to tale it to next level once he is gone. But that’s the exception. 60 is a more reasonable expectation for the higher end of orange planning. Businesses people and investors who make their investment choices way beyond present recessions and the like. Or visionary entrepreneurs who decide to focus on developing something in a market that may still take decades to emerge and consolidate. Again, that’s the higher end. To yellow/strategists/magician these way longer timespans begin to be more common cause they are no longer planning thinking about their lifespans, they think in societal time lengths and ways to fix highly complex systems that are very hard to move in the time of a human lifespan. One example of someone who is probably in one of these two stages of segd is Daniel Schmachtenberger, i highly recommend checking him out if you haven’t already. He appears in many podcasts on youtube and spotify.

20 years is a pretty standard timespan for orange planning actually… Of course there may be stage orange people who can’t do that, maybe due to some trauma or something, but generally they can do that pretty easily. Orange can naturally plan for their lifespan (up to some 60 years), and some more educated one can plan for their children’s lifespan (up to a 100). And just s there are some who can’t plan up to 20 there are others who go beyond the child’s lifespan, but that is rare. The one who normally can’t plan up to 20 is stage red (guess what, most aren’t warlords, there are many stage red businessmen) Just as there are stage orange has many scientists thinking in the 100 years range. Stage Yellow planning takes it up to another level, with plans being made for problems that may emerge in the next 300 years or more in many occasions.

your family may go through a hard time if you die. And it doesn’t matter if they exist in a absolute sense or not. Why would you want them to suffer?

just to complete my point, peterson made a tweet saying there is nothing a authoritarian hates more than cars… Guess what Adolf Hitler, possibly the greatest authoritarian in history was famous for loving cars, having said that multiple times throughout his life. Tito also loved cars, and so did every dictator to have ruled in brazilian history, from Getulio Vargas to the military dictators of the second hals of the century. the only question is, is Jordan Peterson so clueless that he made that claim without having any knowledge whatsoever of the subject, or is he straight up lying (and a lie anyone could fact check in less than a minute at that)? Either way, doesn’t seem very “strategist” to me…

He could be, i don’t know him that well. But “thinking 20 years into the future” is not exclusive to any level of cognitive development and means absolutely nothing. Dude can’t even get what’s happening in the present right, how is he gonna get anything right 10, much less 20 years in the future? but hey, post the link here so we can talk if he is actually making any educated guesses or if it’s just wishful thinking/ fear mongering of an elderly conservative whose afraid he is gonna get outdated soon.