Gesundheit

Order or Chaos? I mean in the ultimate sense. Is God ultimately ordered or chaotic? Infinite intelligence implies that it's both ways at the same time, but is infinite intelligence itself ordered or chaotic? We might as well ask; Is there a plan for the universe? What is order? And what is chaos?

Yes, that's what the Buddha meant when he said desire is the root of all suffering. The ego is infinitely imaginative it cannot be truly satisfied.

Have you tried any breathing exercises at all? Say, for example, the Wim Hof Method?

Been practicing and experimenting a little bit with body awareness and breathing techniques and mindfulness. Here's a list of all the unconscious patterns that I have recognized so far: Popping fingers & neck. Sometimes due to feeling a little bit of pain. Clipping nails with other nails. Especially when I am stressed. Multi-tasking. Like there's not enough time for everything. Making drum sounds with the teeth when listening to music. A weird thing to do, but yeah. Pushing teeth against each other, or tongue against teeth to feel them. Tension in the lower jaw. I've tried Wim Hof breathing and the lower jaw was the only thing that tingled. There's still tension, so I will continue with the Wim Hof Method. Tension while asleep. Probably similar to the above. Bad posture. Due to bad conditions, which probably causes/adds up to the tension mentioned above. I'm not sure what to do here. Phone/internet addiction: specifically forum. I keep checking the forum unconsciously throughout the day. Also, Whatsapp, Facebook, and Telegram to a lesser degree. I should probably create rules for using the internet. But what about the phone? Scarcity mindset. It has improved, but it's still there from the times it was necessary. Can't leave acne and other stuff alone. I don't know why, because even if they're not painful at all I still can't leave them alone. Picking my nose when I'm alone. Similar to the above. Some stuff in my nose make me feel uncomfortable and I have to remove them. Talking stupid shit. Like throwing words here and there that don't have any context, mostly from the music I listen to. Also, humming certain parts of the most recent music I listen to. Why would I say anything when I am alone? Losing presence during conversations. It's like I'm not really interested in what the other person is saying so I just turn off my thinking mind and therefore I lose presence. Staring at girls. Especially ass and thighs. When I'm walking in the streets, I don't look at their faces. My eyes go straight to the ass and thighs. If they're shapely, I look at the face. Pervert lol. Porn and certain sexual fetishes. Especially the ass and thighs. I just love 'em. Checking exes profiles. Like once or twice daily, but not all exes. Just two. Playing video games. Just one game, but not necessarily daily. Posture probably causes/adds up to the tension problems mentioned above. Losing presence while eating. Not enjoying the food fully. Why even exist if you can't enjoy your food? Picking irregular hairs off of my head. I guess it's similar to the acne thing. Watching the views count on my journal, and on certain other things to compare things. As if the number adds any real significance to my life. Ego. Fear of hurting others psychologically. Feelings of guilt, blame, and shame. Not so bad though. Opening tabs and never ever returning to them again. I have hundreds of tabs that I was supposed to read sometime near when I first opened them. Now, they're unread, but I still don't close them. Music. My drug (more info below). Lack of direction. Due to too much deconstruction of the self. Moving quickly & without mindfulness throughout the day. Similar to the multi-tasking thing. I should slow down my pace. Introvertedness. Turns out probably my introvertedness is egoic. I'm not sure yet, but probably. Plus, probably some self-image problems as well. Selflessness. Due to prior Islamic conditioning. Desire to not edit posts on the forum. Reading posts twice after posting them, and correcting misspelled words. Contracting muscles around the eyes when the sun hits instead of closing my eyes on looking less directly into the light. Kicking stuff while walking, like cigarette butts and other small things. Due to my teenage years football obsession. Biting lips when they're dry. And wetting lips all the time. Climbing up the stairs quickly. Running and/or skipping steps. There were other things that I have recognized but I didn't write down immediately so I forgot what they were. And I'm sure there's still more stuff to uncover. But anyway, I have to start somewhere. I think most people have a lot worse unconscious patterns than that, both in number and degree. I have worked my way through a lot of things in the past that now I have this list, which is very mindful and perfectionistic of me. Even though most of the patterns I have seem harmless. But the goal with spiritual work is to reach the most perfect states of being, not doing. I'm sure most people can't even reach that degree of subtlety when it comes to recognizing unconscious patterns. Now, most of these patterns fit under Leo's definition of addiction to a certain degree but not all the way. I can't go a week without desiring these things but I don't necessarily feel a craving for all of them, but I do feel uncomfortable if I try to quit. Some of them I would consider extremely subtle, and some of them are more obvious. But I have to make certain categories for the things that I can definitely do without immediately, and the things that can wait for another time. For example, music and porn to me are crucial at this point. I can't let go of them even if I wanted to. I've tried so many times and failed. My current state of consciousness does not allow me to do it. Music puts me in deep trance/no-mind states that I need at this point, spiritually. And porn I just can't because then what do I do with the sexual energy? Maybe tantra, but I don't think it can be learned from books. It probably requires actual teachers. My dose is about 1 hour each two days and only when I jerk off, so it's not that big of a deal, at least now. Maybe if I cured myself of all the other subtle addictions then I will be able to pull it of with music and porn. I mean music, maybe. But porn, I'm not sure. Maybe after transcending the need for music my state of consciousness will allow transcending sexual desire. I'll leave these two addictions to the finals, or maybe to more advanced stages regarding the ox.

@satyajit Or simply, I don't know.

@lmfao I wonder why would you call it poison though? It gives me the impression that there's something like a chemical substance that you get off to through that addiction exclusively. If that's the case, is there a way that you can somehow extract that substance and examine it scientifically, and then look for it in other stuff? In other words, what is the thing that you're looking for exactly when you're watching porn? Like on the deepest level, what is that thing? Is it a feeling? A state of consciousness? Certain thoughts? What is it? Like if you're locked up in a jail cell or lost in the desert with no internet access whatsoever, what would you have to do to get that poison? Maybe if you can answer that question you will be able to solve the problem on a deeper level.

@Value How reality works at any level below the absolute.

@abrakamowse The absolutest truth though in the realm of absolutismatism is that there are only 5 sentient beings in the entire universe, and the rest are just bots. I am one of those sentient beings, and Leo is one. The other three are still unknown till this day, but two of them are females, for sure. Ladies, pm me with your hottest pics so that I can confirm.

Solipsism is what happens when you take empiricism too seriously. @satyajit What does the word "illusion" mean? It means that there's something beyond that which you call "illusion", and you believe in it, but you deny that you do Why not just admit the inevitability of belief instead?

@lmfao Would you take 1000 bucks and quit porn addiction once and for all? Or would you rather pay 1000 bucks and still do it?

It's more likely that covid-19 is a lab leak.

@Value I have the same two values in my top values. I call them Truth & Practicality to avoid that problem. Practicality itself is true, and so it contains the truth value in it already. I leave Truth for abstract understanding that does not necessarily affect the way reality works. To me, it's like this: Truth is raw/without ego-mind. Practicality is with ego-mind.

LMFAO! Epitome of stage Blue, blindly following authority. I've been there 5 years ago, and I know exactly how he feels like. The funniest thing is that he even used big words like ignorance and open-mindedness as if he understands either of them. Just LMFAO! His comment on psychedelics is interesting though. I like the perspective that we shouldn't be messing with our state of consciousness.

I'm doing a huge project this year on addiction recovery. Make sure you check that out in the journals section. That's precisely correct. The main abstract force that is causing the addictions is lack of awareness. This approach is not going to work unless you have a strong disgust of the addiction or desire to let go, and even then you're gonna need consistency over a period of time. Change does not happen auto-magically, usually. It requires conscious effort. Who wants to know? And why? Why not just not-know? Remember, the point here is to go meta as far as you can. It doesn't really yield much to try examine yourself from the same level. You have to examine from above. Of course! But also not. Because at the level of the absolute truth there are no problems and no solutions. There is one flow of life, and you just align with it. If it is addictions, it'll be addictions. If it is desire to quit addictions, it'll be desire to quit addictions. Either way is absolute truth. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that well because the absolute truth is everything that means change is impossible, because it's not. You can create change in your life and it will be absolute truth. The question is whether you actually deeply really want that change or not.

I didn't realize that this model did actually originate in China. Now, there's no wonder why there's not much information available on the internet around it. It seems like learning the Chinese language is going to be very useful both in the short and long terms, and in various areas. ..... One of the very first, yet most important things you learn in medical school is the distinction between a sign and a symptom. A symptom is simply something that the patient comes to you complaining from. The patient does not necessarily tell you about it, but they're aware of it, like crystal clear awareness, so it is easy to find. On the other hand, a sign is a symptom that the patient is unaware of and yet the doctor should have enough wit and experience to discover, or rather uncover, and signs can be tricky to find. Why is this distinction important? Because this one distinction is what makes the biggest difference between a good doctor and a bad one. If you aren't good enough, you won't be able to make use of all the theoretical knowledge that you have accumulated over the years, and so you will make bad assessments, or at least inaccurate ones. And here comes the distinction between actual diagnosis and differential diagnosis. Actual diagnosis is supposed to be the exact condition or sickness. Differential diagnosis is the list of possible conditions for the collection of symptoms and signs that are present, and the actual diagnosis has to necessarily be one of them. Good diagnosis is the most crucial factor in good treatment. If you don't have enough clarity on what you're dealing with, then you're not going to make very effective treatment plans. You're going to be confused and all over the place, not knowing what your patient is actually suffering from, therefore turning all your theoretical knowledge into trash. Here, I want to bring modern-day academic medical knowledge into spirituality and see how it’s going to work. A patient is present to your clinic, and you have got to find out what the problem is. You start by gathering information, which is called history taking, and then you proceed to physical examination. 1) History taking is essential. I don't want to explain it here, because I'm not qualified yet, and there's already plenty of detailed guidelines for that everywhere; such as this link: https://www.medistudents.com/en/learning/osce-skills/other-skills/patient-history-taking/ I will keep in mind all the steps involved in history taking and put them to my practice here. In fact, I already do that to a certain degree, so I just need to take it to the next level, and then to mastery. 2) Clinical examination consists of 4 major principles: 1) Inspection. 2) Palpation. 3) Percussion. 4) Auscultation. The actual process of clinical examination is tricky to learn and apply, and it requires practice. However, it is almost irrelevant to my work here. I just mentioned this as to extract the external structure and apply it to my work. The main objective with clinical examination is to seek and find signs that are usually hidden, and then use them to reach the proper diagnosis. With spiritual work, it's a little bit different. There is one and only medication, that is awareness, and we already have it. We just need to bring the signs into awareness, and they will heal automatically. If we just bring up those signs/dysfunctions without applying awareness, they will just play out like nothing has happened, and they will keep being consistent, or in best case scenarios, they will get released for the moment but then they will come back later as if nothing has changed. The only way to cure them once and for all is by applying awareness. Now, this is where it gets interesting: How to bring up hidden signs/dysfunctions in the first place? In other words, what are some ways to invoke them? (I'll get to that later). Another question is that why aren't these signs/dysfunctions already apparent in our ordinary experience? The answer is that they are indeed present, but they are not apparent because they are buried deep in the unconscious mind under layers of unconscious patterns, and we are so adapted to them that we can't see how they're actually dysfunctions and how they're distancing us from happiness and robbing us from energy, and more importantly blocking us from presence. For that reason, it is worthwhile pausing for a moment to contemplate and appreciate the significance of what's being lost on us here. Really, it is a tragedy that we've exchanged this way of life for stupid conformity & brainwashing. We have exchanged the whole for the part, and the infinite for the finite. And the irony is that all of that is because of fear of death. We actually prefer living a miserable life than to die living the good life. I think I may have digressed here. Anyway, the structure of physical examination basically consists of two categories: 1) Passive techniques. 2) Active techniques. Like I said in the original post, conditioning consists of two components; patterns & emotions. Now, I'll add that emotions consist of two components too; thoughts & feelings/sensations. Passive techniques are their own points, because the conditioning is there, but it's not being made aware of. By practicing passive techniques such as meditation, journaling, body awareness, etc... The conditioning will become made aware of, and it will break down automatically. It will be just a matter of time and focused effort. Kinda like agriculture, you just take care of your land, and your land then will take care of you. However, with active techniques such as breathing exercises, questioning, shadow work, etc... It's different. Because unless there's active awareness involved in the process, it will be pointless to do anything to begin with, as stated above, because awareness is the key to making progress here. So, here it's important to use the practices to invoke dysfunctions and then as the patterns become apparent, you hunt them down with awareness. Kinda like luring a prey to a trap. You sucker it into the trap of awareness, and then you let awareness eat it up. More insights are coming soon...

When you're talking with others, is your mind actually with you or elsewhere?

The most effective way I've found to cure obsession is to stay busy. Find a life purpose and go after it. Do something you actually enjoy that takes you to different states of mind. It is extremely crucial that you experience different states of mind. Enjoy a snack, a walk, a conversation, do whatever you can to take your mind out of that state. Otherwise, surrender & accept. Or in other words, embrace the past & release it.

That number freaked me out! I tasted a hint of absolute infinity in there.

It's real at stage Purple. At Blue, it turns into Karma. Or perhaps the other way around, I'm not sure. Green reincarnation is the law of conservation.

The furthest we can agree upon as humans from the human perspective is that it's a strange-loop between beliefs & direct experience, i.e. subjective & objective.

@Forestluv Light has shined throughout the forum!

@Carl-Richard Okay dude, whatever.

The way I said it came out wrong. I meant to say that societies keep developing, but not necessarily all of them reach Green. In fact most societies collapse way before reaching Green due to other societies rising to Orange and Green, and therefore in turn suppressing them and causing them to die off early. Green has been the most advanced level any society has ever reached. It's not particularly a revelation that Spiral Dynamics talks about it. It's been known since the 13th century, and maybe even before. https://qcurtius.com/2015/05/08/the-rise-and-fall-of-empires-ibn-khalduns-theory-of-social-development/ It's not an endless upward Spiral. It's a circle. Of course, things may change. Who knows? Maybe the SD vision could contribute to that change, I don't know. I only present and deal with facts. @Consept See the link above.

@satyajit The point is that you cannot possibly get an answer to your question without believing others. From your pov, you can only experience your pov. Everything you hear from others is their povs. You cannot directly experience my pov. But you can believe that I directly experience it. With this belief in mind, there is an objective reality that we all share. Otherwise, if you choose not to believe that my pov is as real as yours, you will end up with solipsism/subjective reality. Either way, you're using beliefs. But at least, with the former, it's acknowledged.

Spiral Dynamics is not designed originally for individuals. It is designed for societies. All societies all over history all over the world have shared the same pattern up to this day. They keep developing until a portion of them reaches Green, and then they collapse. This is an established fact throughout human civilization. Spiral Dynamics makes the additional step in that it assumes that society will not collapse after Green. This has not ever occurred before, and it is very unlikely to occur now. But believe whatever you want, time will tell.