Gesundheit

By transcending the thinking mind first and realizing that thinking about concepts won't get you anywhere.

Ego, obviously. Keep meditating and questioning the ego.

It's a pre-surrealist & pre-modernist fallacy.

So that you ask this question.

I mean, maybe, but I don't think that answers the question Okay, let's rephrase: What could the motives behind cheating be? What are the possible direct causes? I'm asking for two reasons: To prove a point to Emerald. To understand that reaction so that I can prevent it from occurring in my future.

@Preety_India BTW, would you say in that case (cheating), the woman was punishing the man?

@Preety_India ??

This reminds me of the toxic dangerous things you thought I was saying last night. Very nice.

It's called politics and co-exising. We have the right to learn pick-up without being denonized. If you support us, it'll be better. But if you handicap us, we'll speak out.

Why do you always turn everything into feminism? What you're saying here is common sense, and it applies to both male and female. So what's the point? Yeah, obviously, mothers love their children. What you're not seeing is that that love stops being enough after a certain point. When a child becomes a man, he starts craving a different form of love. Understanding & Support. These should be your best skills. The feminine understands the masculine and supports it. She does not deminize him. Your experiences and feelings are valid, and perhaps you were unlucky, but please be aware that it doesn't have to do with gender, and make the distinction between that and the advice you give. If you've been treated poorly in the past, that's not the end of the world. There are better men, and there are men who are trying to become better. When you demonize pick-up, it's like you're demonizing feminism. Feminism makes better women, and pick-up makes better men. We're here to become better humans, not to suppress each other. Behind every God, there is a Goddess.

That's God archetype. And it's extremely rare, obviously. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having all these conversations. The reason why we're here in the first is to become and embody that archetype, but don't expect the process to be all nice and sweet. Y'all ladies expect men to be like that organically from birth, without work, effort, or practice. But you must be able to see by now that that's an unrealistic expectation. The least you could do to facilitate the process is to support us through it instead of demonizing us. We want to become better, and that's in your best interests. Help us become better.

How did I miss that?!

To recap this thread, I've come up with a model for attraction. There are three major male archetypes: God archetype. Masculine; strong, confident, powerful, assertive when necessary, free, dominant, benevolent, merciful, proud, etc... Devil archetype. Asshole; obnoxious, rude, disrespectful, evil, dangerous, assertive without boundaries, etc... Angel archetype. Nice guy; submissive, weak, insecure, doormat, nice, feminine, soft, caring, etc... God is the most attractive archetype for women cuz he's the most masculine. The Devil comes second cuz he's still somewhat masculine. And the least attractive is the Angel archetype cuz it's highly feminine. I think this will lift most of the confusion around this topic. The model welcomes any feedback or modifications btw.

Sigh.

Pick-up.

Porn and prostitution are not the same thing as intimacy. The missing thing here is intimacy, not ejaculation. Men have emotions, and they get hurt. We're human beings after all. Unless you're already enlightened, you will be hurt as a human, and there's no other way around that. That's why the idealistic approach is not useful here, because it pretends as if men don't have emotions or that they should already be enlightened masters. But obviously, that's a huge underestimation of reality, cuz less than 1% become enlightened. And in fact, the path towards emotional mastery and enlightenment sometimes intersects with going through shitloads of rejections. It's unreasonable and unrealistic to expect men to be already the most perfect versions of themselves. The solution is simply to acknowledge the imperfection and then lead it towards perfection through proper education, which is exactly what pick-up is for.

This is a very naive and idealistic perspective for the actual world. In reality, frustration can result in many negative consequences. And if you don't re-direct it consciously into a positive trajectory, it will take the wrong turn and become criminal. That's not justification. That's reality, and we're witnessing a nasty example of that in India as you stated.

Take a deep breath. Maybe make a smoothie. And then read what I said again. You keep repeating the same fearful points that I've already answered. I'm not advocating crime. Period. There's this survivalistic perspective, and there are far more compassionate perspectives. Pick-up is good. The ladies here should stop demonizing it.

A human being deserves to have sex if he is a human being. If a guy can't get sex while being nice, then what's the alternative? Either stay a virgin and become depressed, or become violent and a criminal, or simply learn pick-up.

Huh? I want to decrease crime by promoting pick-up because it's the closest realistic thing to a win-win situation. If that's not compassion, I don't know what is. Most male crime against women is a backlash against the lack of intimacy. If we increase the intimacy, the backlash will be diminished. That's what I'm advocating.

Can't pull the brakes on your inner teacher, eh? What is left to be said after that? You don't show the least bit of compassion for criminals, which btw is exactly what creates more crime.

When did I ever say that? I'm just explaining the root cause behind crime so that you can see how pick-up is by far the best alternative and solution.

Then what's the solution? Be realistic with your answer. That's not my attitude, you're being carried away. I'm talking about men in general. That is how it works. If a man does not get sex, he will feel bad and then will act bad. It's just reality. And the crime proves this point. If men did not feel bad, none of them would become violent and criminal. And since we don't want to deny the reality of how they feel, we should find practical solutions and support them instead of demonizing them. @Emerald I don't need you to teach me on projection. Just stop your teacher nonsense for once and talk like an equal.

@Preety_India Then stop demonizing pick-up, cuz it's the best solution for that problem. "This whole thing that men are punished if a woman is rejecting him is so ridiculous." It's not ridiculous at all, that's how most men feel, but apparently you have little compassion for men who are struggling that you deny their feelings. You are not a man, so you don't know what men struggle is like.

@Emerald Be realistic, not idealistic. That's not how the average person perceives attraction, whether they're male or female. Women project meaning onto attraction as much as men. So what do you think about that? Should women stop wearing make-up or go shopping for fashion clothes? Should women seclude diet and become fat? The picture you're painting is like men are unconscious and needy, and women are conscious and detached. But that's just not the case. Neediness and detachment are not defined by gender, and neither is consciousness.