Jacob Morres

i see what ur saying. is she bad, no. a lot of unethical behavior comes from wounds. personally tho - and id say for everyone tbh maybe - id want a girl who is more emotionally and socially mature is what she did enough to warrant ops response, and ending the relationship? id still say yeh. he responded perfectly imo i used the word socially unacceptable but maybe socially toxic was a better word. but na yeah i get it. shes not a bad person. i see what ur saying

Well said

There's a certain impact you have [on others] with your choices - you shouldn't be unconscious of your impact his reaction was valid. It's definietely quite rude for that kind of behavior. First dates are for meeting a potential partner and it's pretty socially unacceptable to entertain other people while on a date - it definietely speaks to some larger issues within that person I think. While this is true - you should be compassionate towards others and their flaws A lot of girls are low in ethics tho and you gotta have high boundaries and self respect. Perhaps if she was generally a good person and generally showed respect, compassion and a desire to mend/repair I could see it fixing I've definietely tried this with a few girls - problem is some girls seriously lack ethics. It like spoke to a larger issue in the girl every time and they ended up being rude in different ways. This is just my personal exp imo - tho not 100% set - this is enough for me to leave Also isn't the adage that first dates are where the person is trying to set the best impression of themselves? She's doing that, at her best lol.

That's a good insight When struggling try to remember that. But also take accountability

Dude - one thing is for sure. I probably don't have to tell you this - but if girls show weird red flags like this in the beginning GTFO Do not ignore red flags Very happy you stood up for yourself. Keep doing that for life > Hope she enjoys hoeing around she's only got a few years left of being really desirable anyway She's not even desirable rn with that behavior. Flirting with another guy while on a date with u? Red flags 101

Ur killin me dawg..... ?

@Ulax i feel like it cant capture my worldview properly its quite nuanced. but perhaps there is some hostility. i still love women though

Lol 36% hostile 0% benevolent idgi i felt like my beliefs were truth LMAO. why did i get hostile like there was a question that was like women tease men sexually. they do DO this. ofc not ALL women.

Damn I'm sorry you're going through that man. Getting a gf is sometimes not easy those guys are dicks Btw. U dont deserve that treatment A lot of people struggle with this so it's normal

Traditionalist women appreciate gender normed men with very certain and specific roles and characteristics. They don't support the full plethora of men Progressives support men more in general. Though they also have resentment and hate towards men too for feeling/being discriminated/marginalized

??? Perhaps. The worldview I am sharing is a bit nihilistic/viewing the situation glass half empty

I see this thrown around the internet here and there. If this is actually true there's no point in dating lol. But idk it hasn't been true so far with the women I've been with

you can be a leader rn ? your very nature is inherently a role model to others

Na dude it's probably the highest it's ever been now than ever Never has there been a time where most women could just open a dating app, put up some pictures and get hundreds of options within hours/days. The competition is fierce. OLD changed the dating game hard for women

@something_else unless you're conventionally attractive (honestly sometimes probably even then), most dudes that go to nightclubs to find a girl, will get 0 cheeks most of the time, including you But the video was for the guy to find a date, not for sex. But that's irrelevant But my My main point to Emerald was just to say that it's extremely difficult for guys and it's not about Andrew Tate Girls love to give advice like, just be nice, just be yourself, just go socialize, don't be a mysognist. But even doing those things it can be often extremely difficult Def v solvable tho with effort as long as you max out some strategy

@something_else have you ever tried doing this? Also that doesn't disprove my point how challenging it can be for the average dude

It's not just a desert for OLD, in person is just as difficult This dude went around to find a girl to go on a date with him. He spent an entire day talking to girls. He's not red pilled, dress well, good looking, social skills, status (though not visible) and confident and he couldn't find a single girl to give her number/go on a date the entire day. The average guy can't even do what this guy did, it's incredibly nervewrecking to approach a girl The standards for women are incredibly high nowadays , you're overestimating the impact andrew tate and that stuff has on that statistic. It's like this for like 60-70% of guys Both OLD and in person can be very desert-like for the avg dude I see on the internet/reddit guys will post having trouble with girls. And sometimes the top comment will be, "it's cuz you're a mysognist, and don't respecc women". I can guarantee you that's not the problem in 95% of cases. I don't wanna spread limiting beliefs tho as it's def possible with a ton of hard work on a daily/weekly basis though. My hypothesis is that for a guy to even get moderate attention from women, he has to be extremely proactive, put in a ton of effort and provide a ton of value to the table. Being average won't get you Anything.

@Emerald You ever see those videos of girls trying out guys tinder profiles? It's actually extremely challenging for the average guy to even land a single date It's a ton of effort for just a single date that will probably be lower than your league Can take weeks if not months Without a phenomenal profile/system ofc It'll be quite eye-opening ??

Yeah dude and 30% of Americans are obese but it takes a couple months to lose weight The average person makes less than $20 yet there's so many certifications in many fields u can get in 6 months where the entry level is higher than that Just grind and ull get there in a year Don't worry about these silly stats they're so easy to beat

@Emerald just as a thought experiment, you could notice how this could be a projection, take exactly what you said and try to *at least* notice how you yourself *could* be doing that exact thing, *without* deflecting, diverting or rationalizating. Might be a bit painful or uncomfortable just try to notice that You do tend to a ton of boxing on this forum (which you yourself stated)

Problem with ops advice is its too moralize-y and doesn't consider the man's pov. It's like you got brainwashed by some feminists talking points. It's also givin advice like every dude is in the same position and is the same person There's very little alternative for developing social skills. So if you Just say don't cold approach provide some strong alternatives Also some of your statements like 'just don't be desperate' is really divorced from reality. Actualizing that is quite tough esp for many dudes with no attention/validation from women. You need better solutions for that Though op you raise a Good point about comfortability so teaching social intelligence is important. But Blanket stating "don't cold approach" is a weak. I've had tons of girls enjoy my company and have had several explicitly tell me they wished more guys approached women I think a better conclusion would be, teach *socially calibrated* cold approach. Not get rid of cold approach in general These absolutes and lack of nuance is just so silly. Like mf sees some cops make some bad decisions and wants to completely defund the police

Therapy is often ineffective but can be effective with the right therapist and fit Like they can teach you emotional management tools, help you process trauma, listen to your issues You can also generate insight on issues, find solutions. Conversations to a trusted person can be helpful for this Problem for me I found is therapists that I don't trust + don't make me feel safe. These therapists are very counterproductive. Kind, empathetic and trustable therapists are Key. Also, I found that certain therapists don't have the right skills for your issue. For example- if a therapist is not trauma informed and is trying to help with trauma. Or if you have OCD and the therapist isn't trained + skilled in modalities best suited for OCD. You have to do your research, figure out what modalities is best suitable and find who would best fit your issues Also get clear as fuck with what you need help with. Without clarity and intention, you will be going through the motions Also, Fuck people who say everybody should go to therapy. I used to say this too and I appreciate the pro therapist movement. But not everyone is ready for it, needs it, doesnt work for everyone, or can be better suited for something else. Therapy is great but there are a ton of things you can do

@mr_engineer yeah was pretty happy to see some positive stuff about men too lol . The man hating stuff made me Hella umcomfy. Good to see a shift

It's a phenomenal philosophy on resilience and potential It does seem to not come from a great place though, as he seems like he's trashing his old self to be a new self

this philosophy seems robust. i just asked a ton of questions to chatgpt and the concept is very holsitic. it doesn't deny pleasures, material success etc. but includes it in the philosophy. very interesting