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STAGES International is a developmental model that speaks to this in-depth. https://antoinette555.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/the_stages_matrix_roadmap.pdf

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Who are the modern day (currently alive) spiritual teachers who most embody that felt sense of love/devotion/Bhakti? People like Matt Kahn, Ram Dass (recently deceased) and Richard Rohr come to mind. Anyone else you'd recommend?

This article is all about Yellow online communities and podcasts: https://www.joelightfoot.org/post/the-liminal-web-mapping-an-emergent-subculture-of-sensemakers-meta-theorists-systems-poets

A film I co-directed for the Bernie Sanders campaign in 2016. A great example of Stage Green values. http://tuckerwalsh.com/project/voteforus

Yes great monologue as always from Bill. He's essentially pointing to the fact that most young people are still in Stage Orange and conforming to that worldview and lifestyle. When Stage Green comes online more and more, the materialism he's speaking to will begin to go out of fashion, no pun on words.

@Gili Trawangan @mandyjw Thank you. Appreciate these very helpful and constructive responses

I recently participated in a two day Ayahuasca ceremony, and like my previous experiences, during the actual journey I felt pretty much nothing but pure bliss, rapture, ecstasy. It feels like Spirit is dancing and moving my body and sending me off into cosmic orgasms. It's incredible, until the next morning, when I'm back as a regular human and met with feelings of sadness and disconnection. It's almost like the sensation of getting off a rollercoaster - it's so exhilarating during the ride but then when it ends life feels kind of blah again. The contrast is so intense that I think it magnifies the darker polarities. This usually last for 1-2 days, and then I catch up on sleep and spend some time alone, and I feel back to normal equilibrium again. I'm just wondering if others share this experience and if so what can help with this "post-trip blues"?

@Fearless_Bum Ayahuasca ceremonies almost always start in the evening and last all night. I'm not sure exactly why, but it's the traditional way and has been maintained even in modern ceremonial circles.

@BipolarGrowth Thanks so much for sharing this! Was really helpful to read. I skimmed chapters A&P through Conformity, and I sense that the stage I'm at is Equanimity, though I would need to read the book in more detail to know for sure. That said, the bliss/rapture/ecstasy states in A&P certainly have a lot of overlap with my psychedelic experiences. I pretty consistently have ego death experiences these days, even on relatively small doses, and often dissolve into what I can only describe as Infinite Mind where insights about Truth create a cosmic orgasm-like experience. Except it's not happening to Tucker and to a physical body (as those no longer exist in these states), it's just this abstract bliss that feels like God endlessly ejaculating (in a cosmic not physical sense lol). This last for hours until Consciousness slowly recreates a physical body and ego mind in which I as Tucker come back into form. Often the bliss remains for hours after I'm back in my body, and intense surges of energy course through my body as if Spirit is dancing me. Everything is in perfect harmony and flow, even my ego thoughts which can be witnessed and unconditionally loved. I mention all this to say that I suspect the "Dark Night" feelings are from going from Nonduality to Duality again, and from experiencing Bliss to Equanimity again. Put more bluntly, going from God to Tucker is a bit of a letdown hahaha, although within a day usually a sense of Equanimity returns. Perhaps this is the "Dark Night of Equanimity" that the writer briefly alludes to. My sense is that all these maps and models for meditation and awakening need to be researched and reevaluated through the lensing of psychedelics, as I suspect (though am no expert) that the the progression of insights and embodiment happen in unique ways that may not fully align with traditional awakening models. Let me know your thoughts, brother, and appreciate you taking the time to share your wisdom!

@BipolarGrowth @Flowerfaeiry Yes, all of my ayahuasca experiences were in ceremony with highly experienced facilitators from Peru and Brazil. But what I'm describing takes place after the ceremonies when everyone goes home and there's usually little support.

@PepperBlossoms Perhaps what we should “do” cannot he conceptualized via rational thought rather we can be moved via the spirit/heart/love into action, as if we are an empty vessel for something larger than our individual body/minds with an infinite intelligence that created the very idea of there being an us and an infinite intelligence.

@Rilles I'd recommend the books Conversations with God vol 1-3. They're on Leo's book list. Neale Donald Walshe talks a lot about this concept of our soul choosing everything that's happened to us in our lifetime and the perfection of everything that's playing out. Those books helped me immensely when I was going through a pretty deep depression. Wishing you luck on your journey, my friend.

@asifarahim Yeah, her name is Terri O'Fallen. It's all in the PDF.

@Rilles I recognize that this is all just a story and another dream within the Dream, but on a very practical human level this mindset and belief system can be extremely valuable and reduce suffering immensely. In my experience, it truly does take life situations and moves them from the "victim" box to the "empowerment" box. We can rewrite the story of whatever happens to us to see the positive and the opportunities for growth and evolution. So much power in that process.

It might help (for practical survival sanity reasons) to separate Absolute vs relative (even though they collapse into One at the end of the day). Yes, the Absolute is infinite and will always be Here, so to speak. But the relative will not and can not by its very nature. Impermanence is beautiful because there's nothing to take too seriously - it's all just creation for the sake of creation. And yet it's also the only thing that's happening, so it's literally a Miracle. Reminds me of this Jeff Foster quote I read today: "Right now, we stand on sacred and holy ground, for that which will be lost has not yet been lost, and realizing this is the key to unspeakable joy. Whoever or whatever is in your life right now has not yet been taken away from you. This may sound trivial, obvious, like nothing, but really it is the key to everything, the why and how and wherefore of existence. Impermanence has already rendered everything and everyone around you so deeply holy and significant and worthy of your heartbreaking gratitude. Loss has already transfigured your life into an altar.” Jeff Foster

@PepperBlossoms What do you mean by "everything lasts forever anyway"? Is that not also just a thought? If it's all an illusion, there is no "thing" to "last" nor a "forever." There's just what Is. Anywho, regarding your main question, I've contemplated this a lot over the past year. I now see "saving the world" as a game/mission/purpose that allows me to open my heart deeper and deeper in order to feel more and more Love for all the beautiful dream characters arising and falling in This, including myself as one of those characters. Here I am, in this incarnation and in this moment with these thoughts arising, so I mine as well play with them and create a reality that enables greater joy, meaning, integration and expansion. If I was God writing an epic story, the current state of humanity is a pretty fascinating one! Mine as well help to cowrite that story and to do so in a way that is a win-win for all the dream characters involved. It certainly beats lying in bed feeling bored, lonely and isolated from the rest of society. I'll probably have a different opinion about all of this is 10 minutes from now, fyi. It's a big topic

@Tim R I think it depends on what dimension of reality you're speaking about. On the subtle realm (thoughts, ideas, beliefs, stories), Green will emerge pretty rapidly as it has been in the coming decades. But on the concrete material realm, society will take a lot longer to catch up to the ideas and beliefs of the culture. For example, all of Manhattan is basically a massive Stage Orange mecca. Even if over half the population of the city is Green in the 20 years from now, all those Stage Orange skyscrapers and infrastructure will still be more or less as they are today (with maybe a few more rooftop gardens and an updated energy grid). I suspect it will take many more decades for Green to saturate culture on the material level in a way that feels like "ok this is solid Green." A truly Green-centric society would look and feel vastly different than 99.9% of places in America or Europe at the moment, just like Stage Blue Amish country looks vastly different from Stage Orange Manhattan.

@PepperBlossoms Good stuff!

Well said! As Wilber puts it: Wake Up. Grow Up. Clean Up. Show Up.

Construct Aware / Magician (or Alchemist) is late Yellow, early Turquoise. Unitive is not really an actual stage of ego development rather a catch-all for various different stages that are outlined in other models, such as STAGES Institute (5.0 and above). Basically, Susanne's model is only really constructive through Construct Aware. After that, her model pretty much ends despite the fact that there are additional stages of ego development (though occupied by increasingly less and less of the population, which is why so few people have mapped them). STAGES seems to pick up where Susanne left off, so I'd explore that if you're interested (see attached PDF). My guess is Leo is at 5.5 based off my understanding of the model and how I perceive him. The_STAGES_Matrix_Roadmap_GEN_10-18.pdf

One of the best decisions of my life. Frankly every human should probably see a therapist at some point in their lives. It's a privilege and can massively help catalyze growth and transformation on every level and dimension. Of course, not all therapists are created equal, but usually finding someone via word of mouth recommendation is a good way to go.

What is your Spiral Dynamics center of gravity? Curious to get a sense of how most Actualized users see the world. As a reminder, this is about ego development and is not related to how many nondual insights you've had Your "center of gravity" is the stage that you most often occupy, not the highest stage you occasionally dip into. I purposefully scrambled the poll choices so that people don't just pick the "highest" one unconsciously

@Carl-Richard Aweoske thanks! I know Bateson (mostly Nora though) and Bucky Fuller. Have heard of the others but haven’t studied them.

@DocWatts Nah, if you’re committed to evolving and growing, it won’t take 10 years. Then again, what’s the rush? Mine as well enjoy where you’re at if you’re happy and fulfilled ?