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@integral I understand the difference, just pointing out that on this forum specifically nearly every enlightened person (including all the ones mentioned so far above) are frequently mentioned as Turquoise. It seems like there's a default assumption that anyone who wakes up also has grown up. Wilbur and Leo would say this is not a direct correlation, and yet, again, it seems as if nearly every example of someone who has awakened is pegged at Turquoise. Was curious to see if there were other examples that were strongly grounded in Green or Yellow.

@Rilles If I was literally starving, I would for sure take a Big Mac with a large fries and a chocolate shake. Otherwise, nah, I'm good.

This video is great! Never thought about protesting from a SD perspective. Fascinating. Although no way I'm eating McDonalds...that shit is nasty Wilbur was so much more articulate and concise at this age. He tends to ramble a lot these days.

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but to be fair these are very broad generalizations. I think it's both/and. Yellow can both care about their individual efforts while also having the larger perspective that recycling one bottle won't save the world. But it might save one fish from choking to death. So it's not "nothing" or "0 impact" - that sounds like Orange thinking. Yellow transcends and includes Green, meaning in theory Yellow folks integrate Green environmental sustainability into their general worldview and daily lifestyles but do so with a more holistic and less radicalized perspective. Broadly speaking here, as of course there's many flavors of Yellow.

The Vatican released Pope Francis's Social Encyclical, and it reads like a Stage Green manifesto. Great news that someone with as much power and clout as him will hopefully help create larger ripples around the globe. Summary: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2020-10/fratelli-tutti-pope-fraternity-social-friendship-long-summary.html Full text: http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html?fbclid=IwAR2_hhQJ3tn4AImxbAV3Qas5FiDJcv9MjGMvw0kxQfgbwuHufIndistPhG8

@Leo Gura I thought the exact same thing, especially since Catholicism is quite prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa. Lord almighty! But hey, better late than never.

"Pope Francis on Sunday named Wilton Gregory, the archbishop of Washington, a cardinal, elevating the first African-American to the Catholic church’s highest governing body, a groundbreaking act in a year when demands for racial justice have consumed the country." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/us/pope-francis-cardinal-gregory.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Love him! He should actually run for president. Seriously, why not? Not saying he would or should win, but he'd deliver an important message to a larger audience than just his YouTube followers. Love the rebranding of Socialism into Humanism.

@integral Cool concept, but Americans can't even manage a "normal" election, how will we ever implement this? Also seems like it could open up intimidation dangers, like some guy in the neighborhood demanding everyone gives them their partial voting rights or something. I could see this working really well with a higher level consciousness society, but my gut instincts tell me this is not feasible for where we're currently at.

He's not entirely stage yellow, just like nobody else is. He's a spectrum ranging from Orange to Yellow with maybe even some high Blue in there. Honestly it's hard to know exactly where his center of gravity is because every time he talks it's to the media and he's clearly speaking through the lens of being a politician (catering his message). The only way to know exactly where he falls on the spiral would probably be to have an in-depth unfiltered one-on-one private conversation with him.

In general, it's healthy and natural to feel grief for the suffering of others. On the other hand, grief is a temporary state of experience, and once that energy has moved, it's a great opportunity to transmute it into passion that you put towards conscious actions. This could be working on raising your own consciousness or helping to create systems and opportunities for others to do so. Truthfully, grief itself is a form of love. If you didn't love the thing you were grieving, you wouldn't be grieving. As long as you're loving, you're helping on some level. But of course, there's endless actions you can take in addition to simply "being" loving, like donating to charities, buying a sandwich for the homeless person on your block, getting involved politically, doing personal transformation work, meditation, helping to protect the environment, taking courses or reading about racism/sexism/etc. The list is endless. Pick one thing and start there. You can't save the world, but you can do one thing today to make a difference. And another thing tomorrow. And a third thing the day after.

@Leo Gura Did you get a coaching certificate training before you became a coach? If so, do you have any recommendations for coach training companies or programs? Thanks for any leads!

Green in Iran today: A #MeToo Awakening Stirs in Iran https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/world/middleeast/iran-metoo-aydin-aghdashloo.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

@Opo This is the reply I got on FB from Said in response to me asking if he might be confusing Green for Blue. "Blue is rigid ideology that has very little room for other competing Blues. It would have never accepted Jewish and Christian ideologies from the values that created it. Listen to Graves' own words regarding this on the YouTube video. It can't be Purple which is far less trusting of exogenous tribes, so the harmony that existed is Green on a very simple spiral that has little of the complexity we have today. Keep in mind Graves-Beck is a Western model that was influenced greatly by the values of the Industrial Revolution. This particular manifestation of Green resulted from the transcendence of much simpler Orange limited to trade and early scientific discovery and philosophical discourse that considered and accepted multiple views." Not sure I buy it, but I'm not an expert in the topic by any means, so don't know...

@DrewNows I will, but even that is from May. A lot has changed since then. Curious to hear how she feels about it all today.

I saw this on FB but don't understand the Green aspects in the 14-16th Centuries. I thought Green didn't even exist until around 100 years ago? How could Green have existed in the 1500s? Confused.

This video is from 2019. Does anybody know what Teal's present day COVID stance is?

That is the 1.2 billion Catholics question I'm sure it will have an impact even if the church somewhat regresses after his passing. But who knows if he lives another 10 years that could be enough to make some of these ideology shifts stick.

@Forestluv Totally makes sense. Well said.

@Forestluv This is really interesting and resonates a lot. For the purposes on conversation, I wonder if part of Wilbur's expression of Yellow is connected to his elevated states of consciousness. Perhaps fully embodying and being constantly aware of the illusionary aspects of Life make him come off as seemingly disconnected, almost like he's on a different plane than Gabor who feels more grounded in everyday social dynamics of this dualistic world. I guess the exact opposite argument could also be made, so perhaps this is a mute point. Just thinking out loud...

@Selene Love it! Beautifully said. Wasn't meaning to imply that you specifically weren't aware of this, but I do see a lot of posts on this forum that reduce our Soul Purpose simply to Life Purpose which to me are two different things. As you say, one is a Higher Self led and the other is often a mental exercise of constructing purpose. Both are better than nothing! (Note: I have not taken Leo's LP course, so I cannot speak specifically to that. I'm sure it's great!) In general, I'd say Life Purpose feels more stage Orange driven and Soul Purpose is more Green reintroducing aspects of Purple and hints of Turquoise. Certainly the mystical Soul Purpose stuff wouldn't sit well with most Orange and Blue folks, so Life Purpose becomes a useful and beneficial tool to constructing more meaningful purpose without the whole vision quest, fasting, dream work, imaginal realm stuff. Although stage Blue folks should know that Jesus was one of the OG vision questers spending 40 days and 40 nights in the desert!

@Selene I'd caution the assumption that purpose/meaning has no mystical correlation whatsoever and is simply a mental exercise in creating some random story and choosing to believe it. Have you heard people refer to Soul? It's essentially another realm of mystical possibilities in which we encounter our deepest calling, the place where "our deepest gladness and the world's hunger meets." Many many spiritual teachers refer to Soul, but it often gets lost in all the nondual ascending discussions. I'd highly recommend listening to this Adyashanti podcast interview on the topic. Also, Bill Plotkin's Soulcraft book is a great place to start. Lastly, this writeup about the three worlds - Upperworld (spirit), Middleworld (ego development), Underworld (soul) - is a fantastic read. A lot of overlap with Wilbur's "Wake Up, Grow Up, Show Up" model. Hope this helps. Best of luck on your journey!

@Adodd Check out this program that helps people discover their Soul Purpose. https://www.purposeguides.org

Amazing stage Orange show. Really portrays the meme...

Matthew Fox is attempting to do this via Order of the Sacred Earth. https://www.orderofthesacredearth.org I doubt any new religion would gain widespread attraction these days, given this deconstructionist era we're in.