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@Fadl Definitely Stage Blue

Sorry to hear about your struggles, but rest assured, many have gone through this phase, and I'm sure you'll come out the other side. Keep the faith! Are you speaking about a specifically "spiritual" Dark Night of Soul (i.e. not being able to process and integrate an awakening experience) or just everyday life circumstances like breaking up with your partner or being fired from your job? Perhaps you provide some more details on what got you into this place and what you sense is keeping you stuck.

In addition to collapse creating a lot of suffering, it could also be a blessing that brings the fundamental shifts in consciousness necessary to progress our species forward. I'm not rooting for it, but just pointing out that a lot of beauty can come from the chaos that we're almost indefinitely going to experience in the coming century, collapse or not.

I'm watching Fox News and surprisingly feels like they're fully aligning behind Joe Biden's win. Everyone seems to be shrugging off Trump's meltdown, like ignoring your awkward friend who's a little too drunk at the party and making a fool of themselves. My bet is many of the Fox reporters and commentators are personally relieved that Biden is elected, not because they agree with his policies just because they value democracy.

@Willie There were millions of people who did not want the change that MLK was fighting for. He was demanding justice from people who did not want to give justice. In that sense, he was clearly trying to change people who did not want to be changed.

After a very potent psilocybin journey about a month ago, I've been in this phase where I don't really have a desire to change others. Maybe if someone punches me in the face, I'd want them to stop. I'm not talking about that necessarily. More like I no longer feel this burning desire to "save the world" and convince others to think, act or believe the ways I do. It's more like I'm living in a dream and am just witnessing everyone going about life to the best of their abilities. I wouldn't describe it as apathetic, because on a personal level I still want to act with love and the values that I feel personally called to live by, it's just that I'm less stressed about others doing so also. It's bizarre to feel this way especially amongst stage Green culture where everyone around me is trying to save the world and freaking out about other people's actions and words. Which all makes sense to me, I just don't resonate with the desire as strongly. My fear is that I'm somehow spiritual bypassing the world and stuck in my own little bubble of bliss while others suffer. But I guess my counter argument to this is that I still want to help people, it's just I only want to help those who want to be helped, not trying to force others to change. So in that sense, perhaps this is healthy? Wondering if others can relate with this, and if there's red flags with anything I've stated above. Thanks!

@aurum Well said. And agree, definitely times when it feels as if the universe is calling for us to directly defend life. Ultimately for me it comes down to the paradox of being a sentient being in the world which by default requires us to end life in order to create life. I've worked tirelessly through my stage Green years of minimizing my impact, at times going to radical extremes, but I feel liberated from the days of shaming myself into thinking I'm somehow immoral due to the fact that I'm using resources. It's been interesting to witness myself attempting to find balance in an unbalanced world...certainly an art I have yet to master

@aurum The argument I hear from my stage Green friends is that just like I would step in and try to stop someone beating up a young child, so too should we step in and defend, say, trees from being cut down to build a new highway or a big game animals from being hunted. Why do I put my life on the line to defend the human child but not the rhino or the 300 year old oak tree? These are interesting arguments for which I don't have a satisfying response.

@electroBeam Yes that's what I meant in my previous post. I get the gist from the Absolute perspective (though I'm not claiming to be actively embodying it). My original post was speaking on the relative level about this Dream world in which I find myself dreaming up. Thank you for the reminder that I'm just dancing in the illusion

@electroBeam Consciousness masquerading as thoughts masquerading as "me"?

@aurum Beautiful, thank you

@electroBeam Thanks for your comments. I actually did "get" that insight which is why upon reintegrating I started evaporating old patterns of being, hence my original post. But no, despite experiencing The Dream and pure Nothingness, I (meaning the Dream character) did not come back Enlightened, so I'm now reconciling my trip experience with my present experience. "You don't feel a burning desire to save the world, because there is no world. Saving the world is like saving a unicorn, its not actually there." Yes, ^ this is how I feel (speaking on the relative level here), but when nearly everyone else in society would balk at this, it seems healthy and rational to question my assumptions with those of others, if nothing else for the sake of greater Self-inquiry. "But as you go deeper, there will be a desire to express compassion to yourself(yourself being 'the world'). And that compassion wont be wrapped up in ideologies about what you should and shouldn't be doing, or what you're doing it to (the world or whatever) it will be as natural as taking a shit. Just expressing it because there's too much compassion within you and you need to ejaculate it out for your own sanity." ^ This resonates. Thank you. I definitely do feel compassion but also sense there's infinitely more Love to be experienced

For example, MLK and Gandhi both wanted to change people, on some level at least, right? And as a society we look to them as the greatest example of what it means to be human. So I guess I'm questioning if NOT feeling the desire to fight for widespread radical change means I'm operating in some blind spot or spiritual bypass framework.

@nitramadas Baraka is my number one favorite film. I've probably seen it six times. I've only watched it from Stage Green, including over 15 years ago in high school, where I was actually more like Orange/Green, but I still had a similar Turquoise experience that you had. I remember watching it was like a spiritual journey (I was completely sober). I disagree that you need to be on drugs to "get it." It's truly a breathtaking piece of art that clearly has the ability to transcend even the Spiral Dynamics' lens through which we normally view the world. In that way, it can be like a psychedelic trip in itself. That said, I really appreciate your breakdown and detailed explanation! I've seen Samsara once before when it first came out. I'm going to rewatch it now from a mostly Stage Yellow perspective and see how the experience plays out. Another film series I'd recommend is HUMANS vol 1-3. It's very much inline with Baraka/Samsara. Made by Stage Green filmmakers (was partly funded by the UN actually) but there's very little Green "agenda" and could totally be experienced as a Turquoise work of art. Enjoy! Another good one on a lighter note is the documentary Babies (NOT the Netflix series, the original documentary in 2010). Like Samsara, there's no words, just raw footage of four babies living on four continents from birth to 1 year birthday. It's a super fun watch and hard not to completely fall in love with humanity after seeing it

@DocWatts In Maine we have Ranked Choice Voting, but it only goes into effect if candidates get less than 50% of the vote. The two 3rd party candidates may have (depending on the final numbers) divided the vote just enough for Susan Collins to sneak in with 51%, preventing RCV to go into effect. That said, it appears Collins would have likely won in a runoff anyways.

@8Ball I agree, Humans vol 1-3 is epic and a beautiful way to study Spiral Dynamics.

Stage Green filmmakers making an "exposé" on Stage Orange college students acting on their Red sexual impulses. Lol.

Good one! Biden's got that great Blue touch that Clinton lacked. Might just be the edge he needs to win the presidency.

Yes, they are on the Q-Anon train. David Icke fans. They are very concerned with what they see as COVID mask policies infringing on our civil liberties. They don't think Trump is great, but they do vocally support him over Biden. On the one hand, it completely baffles me. On the other, it is 2020, so nothing should surprise me anymore. I still think Ananda is a great teacher and a lovely person (at least in my interactions with her), but I certainly wouldn't go to her for political advice.

“Election" — a poem by Alfred K. LaMotte: I voted. I voted for the rainbow. I voted for the cry of a loon. I voted for my grandfather’s bones that feed beetles now. I voted for a singing brook that sparkles under a North Dakota bean field. I voted for salty air through which the whimbrel flies South along the shores of two continents. I voted for melting snow that returns to the wellspring of darkness, where the sky is born from the earth. I voted for daemonic mushrooms in the loam, and the old democracy of worms. I voted for the wordless treaty that cannot be broken by white men or brown, because it is made of star semen, thistle sap, hieroglyphs of the weevil in prairie oak. I voted for the local, the small, the brim that does not spill over, the abolition of waste, the luxury of enough. I voted for the commonwealth of the ancient forest, a larva for every beak, a wing-tinted flower for every moth’s disguise, a well-fed mammal’s corpse for every colony of maggots. I voted for open borders between death and birth. I voted on the ballot of a fallen leaf of sycamore that cannot be erased, for it becomes the dust and rain, and then a tree again. I voted for more fallow time to cultivate wild flowers, more recess in schools to cultivate play, more leisure, tax free, more space between days. I voted to increase the profit of evening silence and the price of a thrush song. I voted for ten million stars in your next inhalation. —Alfred K. LaMotte

Richard Rohr is one example of a Yellow thinker who has also awakened to some degree. Ethan Nichtern is another example perhaps. @Megan Alecia Jim Carrey is a good one. Brand is definitely Green, but I'm not sure I'd considered him enlightened. Don't know enough about where he's at in his inner journey, though.

Are there examples of enlightened people who are at Stage Green? It seems everyone who is a spiritual teacher of any caliber gets placed at Turquoise, but Leo has also said that Enlightenment doesn't automatically mean you're at Turquoise, yet it seems practically every example I've seen on this forum does indeed have Enlightened folks at Turquoise. So, are there examples of Green or Yellow people who are awakened?