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@Chris365 @Moksha Yes, I get it. I just wonder sometimes if the story about waking up to Life/Spirit/Infinity is just adding another layer of Doing that is distracting from Being in the name of Becoming. I hope that makes sense. I listened to this podcast about Conscious Evolution yesterday and felt very resonate with everything that was said, but I couldn't help feel it created simply a higher order story with attractive labels like "meaning" and "purpose" that overshadows the awakening part. Obviously both Being and Becoming are necessary, I think it'll be interesting to witness what happens when more and more people start capitalizing (literally and metaphorically) on the story of Life Awakening to Life. Of course, I'd rather have people conforming to that story than any other, but I also witness in myself how it gives me a sense of mission that makes me feel as if there's so much to Do (must awaken!) rather than "getting" the deeper meaning which is to Be and allow Life to flow naturally. Don't worry, I see the holes in my own narrative. I'm just sharing for the sake of conversation with you...I mean, me.

I recently spent three months at this healing and transformation community called PachaMama in Costa Rica. It's as Stage Green as it gets. Would highly recommend it for anyone looking to dive deep into mediation, trauma healing, breathwork, dance, celebration, "plant medicine" ceremonies, body cleanses, amazing vegan food and music, and a community of likeminded Green (as well as Orange moving into Green) individuals from all over the world. Feel free to message me if you have any questions about it. It's heaven on earth especially during COVID when so much of the world is locked down.

@aurum also has a great list going, if you're able to share.

Spent three months at this healing and transformation community called PachaMama in Costa Rica. It's as Stage Green as it gets. Would highly recommend it for anyone looking to dive deep into mediation, trauma healing, dance, celebration, plant medicine ceremonies, body cleanses, amazing vegan food and music, and a community of likeminded Green individuals from all over the world. Feel free to message me if you have any questions about it. It's heaven on earth especially during COVID when so much of the world is locked down.

@Husseinisdoingfine Met a bunch of people recently who spent time at the Osho retreat center in Pune, India. They all raved about it, despite it being fairly pricey. I'd love to visit there in the near future.

Serious question, isn’t this just another story (more thoughts) about Truth? What makes this story true and others false? Is this whole idea of life waking itself up just another story operating in the illusion/dream?

My friend wants to start a retreat center that combines Alcoholics Anonymous 12 Step Program with psychedelic treatments to help break addictions to street drugs and alcohol. It would be a longterm residency program. He is a recovering addict himself and has had success with Ayahuasca and Iboga to help uncover some severe childhood trauma that was likely one of the root causes of his addiction. I told him I would ask on this forum if others here have had success breaking their addictions via psychedelics and would be willing to share their stories and advice for others looking to do the same. Feel free to message me privately if you'd prefer. Interestingly, apparently Bill who founded AA used LSD to help him overcome his alcoholism, though it isn't talked about much nor is widely known. Many (perhaps most) people in AA feel psychedelics are breaking sobriety, so it is heavily frowned upon, perhaps in part for good reason as obviously they can be abused. My friend is hoping to prevent this by creating a strong container with a holistic treatment approach in a longterm residency setting. Curious to hear peoples thoughts on this. Thanks!

Hoping to collect a list of Stage Yellow women who are inspiring integral thinkers. Nora Bateson is one who comes to mind. Anyone else who should be on my radar?

@sonnaroo Hadn't heard of Emerge, will check that out! Also recommend: -Collective Insights with Jamie Wheal -Everyone Is Right -The Daily Evolver -The Jim Rutt Show

While living at a Stage Green spiritual community the past few months, the topic of masculine vs feminine energy came up on a nearly daily basis. From the discussions I had, it was surprising to hear how much Stage Green women re-embrace the differences between the two genders and actually desire men who embody what might be considered "traditional" gender qualities and roles. Based off MeToo and so much of the online social commentary, I would have suspected the opposite, that Green women would further flatten the differences between men and women and balk at any notion that men provide something women cannot (or don't want to provide), and vice versa. What I'm realizing now is that much of the mainstream feminist commentary is perhaps more grounded in Orange than true Green. Orange brings this idea of universal rights and women being able to do everything men can do, including all the gender qualities more typically associated with men (like being a dominating corporate executive embodying masculine energy qualities). Green, on the other hand, seems to value authenticity over conforming to the mainstream masculine society, and they seem to re-embrace celebrating the differences between the two genders in a way that almost feels closer to Blue than Orange. It's also interesting to think about how this further evolves with Stage Yellow once that comes more online. Currently it feels the most prominent Yellow voices out there are all men. This video interviewing Green women does a good job highlighting my findings. Curious to hear others' perspectives, particularly any women on the forum.

I second this request. Listened to a great podcast with Daniel Schmachtenberger today who spoke about the importance of educating the population on 1st, 2nd and 3rd person epistemology. If anyone can breakdown these three types and their differences, or point to resources that do, that would be much appreciated Thanks!

@erik8lrl I know. I’m just taking a moment to thank the Dream character in my movie That’s why I created us, right? To experience each other and to have this very dialogue. Beautiful!

@erik8lrl Beautifully articulated! I went on a mushroom journey last night and essentially landed on the same existential realizations as your post articulates. I read it as I was still coming down, and wow, it felt like I was reading a transcript of my mind. Thanks for that, and good timing

@erik8lrl Love your thinking! One of the big challenges I see is that especially thanks to the internet we can all create our own reality, so Orange has its own bubble, Green has theirs, and Yellow certainly has their own, too. It's so rare for healthy cross-pollination amongst the stages, and when I have seen it, it usually ends in bickering and further entrenchment of one's current worldview. I just had a Green person quote Daniel Schmachtenberger back to me as an example for why his outlandish conspiracy theory views should be taken seriously. Everyone sees and hears what they want, cherry picking this or that to fill in their existing worldview. Yellow, at least, is aware of it. So my question is, how can Yellow folks appeal to other stages in a way that invites people up and through the spiral? Leo seems like a rare example of someone who has been able to do this, and I suspect it's partly because he started at Orange and brought his audience alongside with him as he himself evolved. Curious to hear others thoughts on this...

@Dryas These are some of my good friends I'm talking about, not random people I briefly met. They're not Trump supporters nor "pretending" to be spiritual (whatever that means)...though I do know some of those folks too

@Dryas Young, 20-35 mainly, similar to the women featured in the film in my original post. But generally these are folks who have done a good amount of inner healing transformational work and are spiritually attuned to some degree, so that might be a factor. Not sure, tbh.

@Parththakkar12 @Dryas I think you're both pointing to aspects of the full picture. Part of the discussion I've seen is about deconstructing gender roles and other parts involve flattening/deconstructing any differences between men and women, which feels somewhat like a pathology of reality, which people like Jordan Peterson and others have made a living out of attacking. So, is it possible both of you are partly accurate?

@soos_mite_ah This was exactly what I would say to my Green friends at this spiritual community, and, to my surprise, the women kept saying to me, "Ya ya, we all have the masculine and feminine energy within us, but at the end of the day the guy I desire to have by my side should embody his strong masculine energy because what I really want is to fully bask in my divine feminine energy." I found it refreshing to hear, basically acknowledging that the different genders do offer a polarity to each other that is "sacred" and shouldn't be flattened or discarded in the name of social progress, which is often the dialogue that I encounter online. @Lyubov Agree, these are just personal anecdotes, and I've certainly had conversations with more "radical" Green activist friends that have a more hardline view about the topic. So yes, it's a diverse spectrum of perspectives - good point. It's interesting to think about which of these perspectives will win out in the long run or if they'll be integrated together into a cohesive whole, as @soos_mite_ah is suggesting.

@aurum Haha perhaps! Though to be fair I started this thread talking about Yellow traps! I guess the traps are everywhere...it’s almost like God boobytrapped his own game ?

I don’t think he’s backslid in terms of his actual level of development, I just suspect he might be writing from a slightly shadowy aspect of his intellect / intuition rather than his usually clear cognition. But of course, that’s just my perspective. Maybe I’m the one projecting the shadow, and he’s bringing the clarity

An overly simplified perspective: The People created the System which created the Problems that the more evolved People are now complaining about and blaming the System for when in large part it's the People themselves that are ultimately responsible. Green wants to solely blame the System because blaming the People isn't very kind And perhaps it's easier to play victim than to take responsibility for our collective reality.

@aurum Well said, I resonate with your comments. Again, it's super subtle, but I'm perhaps on the lookout for these types of one-sided-leaning arguments as I recently spent three months at a Green-centric spiritual community in Costa Rica where conspiracy theories about "the system" were rampant and out of control. When I read Charles' essay, I feel it subtly gives fuel to this fire which is burning down logic and reason, which like you said is ironically something Charles normally delivers in spades. I feel we/society need his balanced Yellow-leaning perspective more than ever, and I worry his burnout and disillusionment with the world is shadowing his perspective in an unfortunate way. But okay, life goes on. There are bigger fish to fry

@Leo Gura Yes that's my point. I'm saying that I felt Charles Eisenstein was subtly suggesting this in his latest essay, which I take issue with, per your point.

This is what I sent to my friend when we discussed the topic last week: What I found off about Charles’s latest essay is the implication (which perhaps I’m constructing and is not what he’s actually saying) is that if it weren’t for “the system” Q supporters would be environmental hippies advocating for love and harmony. But because of “the machine” these humans are victims to conspiracy theories. I see this perspective as failing to take into account the evolutionary nature of human psychology. Most Q supporters are also Evangelical Christians, so even before Trump they believed crazy shit (from our postmodern perspective). Q is just a new iteration of the same mythic level beliefs that people at that level of ego dev and consciousness tend to believe. For me the question is how to help people evolve in their worldviews rather than blaming the worldviews they hold on the powers that be, since ultimately the powers that be are just a reflection of the people they serve. For me this perspective is more empowering and creates agency rather than despair, which I sometimes sense in his writing lately. Both perspectives contain an aspect of the truth, but I feel he’s veering too far in one direction while losing the more meta perspective which he usually holds.