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Flying does put me in a creative state too. Something to do with relinquishing control of your life to another human for some hours.

I can't prove it, but I swear you just have a grudge against me Today I had a nightmare where people were going to kill me for not conforming, and that I just needed to shut up and conform.

Eating with utensils is not conformist per se. Just like it was mentioned that the thing in itself is not conformity. But like you are triyng to argue that having a box of tools in your home is conformist, but that's a bad example. A good example of utensils conformity would be for example having a collection of them, buying the expensive ones, the ones with finest art carved unto them, making a whole identity out of utensils, going to utensils conferences where they talk about the tradition of utensils and why you should have the "original" or "finest" set of them, or why you should buy only from a particular company and praising the company's name. That's more like conformity.

I was doing a fasting yesterday and was digging this language topic a lot, having some clarity about it. But it's not something I fully grasp. It made me think how mathematics, music, or any other specific skill emerges from day to day language. As if they were mods you can install. They are like ramifications, when something new appears and you need to integrate it somehow. Think how mathematics didn't existed in certain point in history, same with music notation. Those are codes we develop to hold onto forms, and as memory savers. You can just leave a melody on paper and forget about it. It also made me think how ingenuos it is like I said. We use standard words for a diversity of non related topics, and you can describe them just fine. Think of adjectives and how you may use the same one in completely different contexts. My thinking is still that it is a cognitive stage of development. But the question of how much our understanding is shaped by it is still not fully clear to me. But shortly put, language is the ability to reference things with other things, it is the act of drawing conection between different things. That's why I say imagination is king, but why are we able to do this?

So I just experienced in own flesh the unforgiveness of assumptions. Now I have to spend some weeks rewiring my mess and reshaping a lot of my patterns. I won't share it since it is too personal. But let me tell ya, it will happen to you! This is no joke and I lost a lot of time. So the question is: how could I have avoided this mistake? Constantly remindong myself that I didn't knew. I never knew, but at some point I knew I didn't knew and then I thought I knew, but I didn't, and that was the mistake! Not knowing, and keeping your mind open to every possibility is the key.

@Vali2003 I appreciate that.

We are shaped by language, not arguing that. So much so that the work we do here is only possible thanks to it. If we want to communicate better then sharing examples is one of the best way to clarify and explain anything. This is not trivial, we learn with examples. @UnbornTaoYou asked how thing are prior to language, so let me take you to a visualization. Take the example of a baby growing up in a houshold with a family that doesn't speak ANY language. So as he grows up he learns to walk, he learns to tie his shoes, he copies how his dad builds stuff, he learns that getting close to a cocrodile might kill him. All of that just by copying the grown ups. And that was possible without language. Now, you want to talk about language then lets do so. I am glad this invention exists, it allows for a lot of beautiful thing in life. It propulses imagination and understanding. Instead of having me physically demonstrate something to you so you learn it I can just write it or speak it and you will follow it as intended. How amazing is that? What other things has that capability? Not many. And also it is so broad and universal that you can talk about anything using the same set of words. That is ingenuity at its finest.

Bad example, next one

How are you supposed to break the food into smaller pieces cleanly without fork and knife? You are throwing bad examples, wait until you have better ones and then share it.

Not only is not my case, but also add to that the fact that I hate running in the city, because you have to be much careful with the traffic, and you have to stop constantly because of red lights, and that running in nature has no rival in terms of awesomness. Although the adrenaline of running in the city has its own flavour.

That's cool.

@UnbornTao These are some examples of communication. Where do you see language there? You can command something just by the way you look someone in the eyes. Does that enters your definition of language? No, but we call that communication. Holism is communication between the parts. A part is not the whole because it lacks the connection with the other parts.

You are making such an evident mistake. Communication can obviously happen without language. I gave some examples but you're fixed with your belief. "Language" has to exist first by necesdity? No it doesn't. Unless your definitions of language goes beyond words and symbols.

And it takes so much time with the other person to create a profound sinergy. It is possible, you just have to cross a big river.

It is not too complicated if you are a runner. If you only walk then it is not big deal. If you live in the big city where the whole ground is pavement you need shoes with big ass suspension when you run or your tendond are going to scream in pain. If you have lots of area with earth as the ground then you're built to run over that shit without much problem. I always made fun of thesd kind of shoes, until I moved to the middle of a metropolis and started a jogging habit. The pain never goes away and you need these shoes. Right now I am on vacations and back in my small hometown which is connected to nature everywhere. I run there even harder and my feet feel delicious.

Haha, but the point is not always reasoning... I believe communication is more fundamental than language. And language is just a refined medium. I say some good stuff but it is very often dismissed.

I just care about God realization.

And if you're consistent with those values then we say you have integrity.

I liked Greene's Mastery way more than 48 Laws

Nausicaä, the manga by Hayao Miyazaki. Splendid masterpiece, it is like Avatar but better

And that is to say language is a lesser degree of consciousness than telepathy. We use language because we are too dumb for telepathy

You are assuming people use language for expanding their consciousness. Laughable.

In music when you compose a melody you try to play with a simple idea. Then you rotate it verticaly, horizontaly, you transpose it, you can stretch it, you can create two voices of it. You are playing with symethry, it is literally drawing if you write in musical notation. It is like geometry. Math is not different.

That's sort of what is happening in this thread, we are developing a deeper idea of mathematics

Jeez you really need to learn basic language. You guys are really lacking in practice. Or basic education.