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If God is everything what is there to see. How can it be seen. I would start a thread on this, but nobody would be able to answer it so why bother. They couldn't answer the 'where are you going' and the 'before and after enlightenment' ones the one where I asked to show a before and after of an enlightened person, all I got was a story an enlightened being telling how he got enlightened. I don't see anybody on the forum that reached enlightenment. There's a reason why these questions cannot be answered. I was a bit disappointed when I didn't get a precise answer for where are you going with all this spiritual doings. Back to if God is everything how can it be seen. Why do I need a higher state of consciousness to look at a tree and see God. To look at a cat and see God, to look all around me and see God, if God is everything. Is God everything or not. Is the tree God or not. Will I see the tree in a different light if I elevate my state. How. In what way. It won't be a dumb tree anymore, or an ordinary tree, but a divine tree. Everything is God, so however I see anything is how I see God, if God is everything. If I see a dumb tree then I'm seeing God as dumb. If I see a tree that is magnificent, then I'm seeing God as magnificent. I don't have to elevate my inner sight, or get into a different state; all I need is a different thought. I can do that on the spot. I can change that thought and see God differently again. I don't have to see anything the same way. Shapeshifting means thought shifting, consciousness shifting. That's the beauty of the Divine it's everywhere and can be seen as dumb or holy or ugly or beautiful or serene or noisy or whatever. It is all those things and none of them simultaneously. Everybody is going to go try and elevate their consciousness to go see God when the All is right here, right, now appearing as everything, anyhow, and everywhere. It isn't really everywhere because it isn't localized but that's good enough. It cannot be seen, it can only be thought of. A thought has to appear for one to think they're seeing or not seeing God. Saying I'm seeing God is a thought. Can a bird see God. Birds see differently than humans, apparently anyway. So do cats and dogs. Bats are supposedly blind. Can a blind man see God. How unfortunate. If he can, then what is he using. His other senses. So when one changes their state are they changing their senses. Maybe. How am I seeing God VS how does a blind man see God. Think about these things. I am. Until I get it. I never will because I'm using thought to grasp thought. It's a loop, a never ending cycle, a circle jerk of dreams.

This thread is for the weirdos. Lol

Are you happy forever, sad forever, joyous forever, miserable forever, angry forever, moody forever, anxious forever and so on. No, they come and they go. Why chase any emotion. Energy in motion cannot be chased. It's always in motion. Why are we trying to be happy and stay happy, it feels good, right. Sadness feels like shit. We go to anger management classes or get sent to by the judge, why doesn't anyone send us to happy management classes, sad management classes, joyous management classes. Anger is an intense emotion. More intense than the love emotion. We're so in love with something that something else makes us angry. That anger overpowers the love in that moment that we can't seem to think straight and we do dumb shit. We love whatever it is that was in opposition to what made us angry so much, it was so off-balanced that it turned into anger and rage. Whatever it was that made us angry, something else was being loved at that moment. Maybe we need love management classes instead of anger management. Love is the essence of everything and we lose sight on how to balance that love and now anger and fear takes over. We're attached to the love we have for a thing and anything that gets in the way of that, breeds anger, resentment and fear. Anger doesn't need to be managed, love does.

There is nothing to develop here. We already see ourselves as separate and see objects separate from each other. How does one develop a sense of separation where a sense of separation is already present. I wouldn't have a clue on how to develop a sense of separation. Hey there, get a knife please so I can cut your body off from mine. Is that how. Or having to keep reminding myself we're separate. This just seems like a rebellion against the term 'nothing is separate'. We don't go around living our lives as one. We don't see oneness. Oneness cannot be seen. The chair is seen as separate from the table. No need to develop that sense of separation.

There's nothing else worth doing for you. For plenty, there's other stuff worth doing other than this. Just a matter of preference. When the material world proves to not be fulfilling, some turn to Spirituality in search for fulfillment and see nothing else worth doing. It is not until the seeking reveals neither is permanently fulfilling, that worth becomes null and void and doing just becomes doing but not for a worth.

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Oh my, this is the most accurate description of this that I've ever come across and you worded it so precisely. Perfect wording for every part. "Tick off, special attraction criteria, makes her want, emotional connection", perfect words to describe what's trying to be said.

I found you and gave it a like, yesterday,

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Ok. Never thought of it that way. Can't see how some perceptions are true and some illusory. Who or what determines it's validity. I would say all perceptions are false and true simultaneously real and unreal, but ALL not some. A perception is just that, a perception. It's like saying falsehood can be true sometimes and truth can be false. Anyway, no need to keep this going as nothing here really changed my faulty perception. Don't even mention enlightenment to me because I don't know what that is so I have no reference point to say what is or isn't enlightened.

Didn't do the challenge yet, but I will, just would like to say that effects do occur. Yes, and they are marvelous and wonderful to look at be perceived. Doesn't make them real and not empty and void of substance that really matters to what is.

That's like saying to someone, you are everything except the you.

Ok thanks for obliging in the challenge, respectfully. I still didn't see what you've said to be the case and so i didn't have a change in perception. To me, an illusion is not a false perception. Not the same thing. Also an already existing perception cannot be corrected, it was already the case, only a new perception can happen. Not sure what an illumed mind is and "my experience" is duality, "my" and "experience", that's two in what you say is no separation and also having this person's perspective shifts to being everything is suggesting that everything doesn't include the person thinking its separate. If youre saying the person just needs to realize it is not separate where and how can a realization take place in no separation. A realization requires space between.

ok, so there's no problem then and no shift need occur since it's all one.

There is only what is. Call it everything if you like. There's no you that's everything. There is just everything. Where/What is the you and where/What is the everything. How can it be a spell if that's all the mind can do. It's incapable of seeing anything other that past or future. It cannot be in the present. A "shift in perception" implies time and space for that to occur, yet you say under the illusion of separation. You want there to be a shift in perception, yet you say there's no separation. How can a shift really happen where there is already no separation.

How can one experience oneness, no separation. There has to be a perceived two for experience to happen, no.

Can I challenge you on this. Are you up for it. Respectfully.

Just saying "smoking" is like just saying "eating". Depends on what's being smoked. Just about all conventional cigarettes contain added chemicals.

If there's no separate me to begin with how can it dissolve. There is no separate me perception. That would mean there's a real me perceiving the false me, that's duality. It really doesn't matter because there's already no one over there anyway. It's just talking happening. The thing is you're want for someone to be there in that body to perform and be a no me and to do some expanding into what already is the case. Where is this Infinity at that I'm supposed to expand in/to.

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You just don't understand what it means when it's said there's no one. "Yet everything you do is in service to that person" THERE'S NO ONE DOING THAT. "Your behavior exposes what you truly believe", is a misnomer. It is not a belief. There's no one there to "do" a no one. You want the no one to start acting like a no one. Lol Matter of fact, I'll go start a thread about this, I just might. Doesn't really matter either way.

Thought loves to keep itself going. Imagine thought not being a thought. That's what it is, a thought. This is why we sometimes want to meditate. We stop the neighbors from entering our yard with fences and barbed wires and gates. We try to protect ourselves using tools and safety measures. Well, it's the same thing with thoughts. Thoughts can be cruel, negative and outright dangerous in our eyes, and what is it that we use to help in our defense from thoughts - MEDITATION. You see, some accuse me of parroting and just repeating what I've heard. What they don't understand about me is that I'm a true psychologist, a playtime philosopher. I like to see through things. I actually went to college to study to be a psychologist but ended up doing only one semester. (Pavlov and the rat). Point being it's in my bones to analyze and to not see things only on surface levels. Not saying, I'm pro at it or I know what I'm talking about or any of that; all I'm saying is I enjoy peeling through the layers and I'm genuinely curious. So, all the stuff I've heard that interests me, I delve into with my own mind and thinking, and I enjoy unraveling it and putting the pieces together. That's what I get from it. I enjoy the unraveling and seeing it all come together as One - so to speak. This is also a reason why I resonated with Leo and his 2-3 hrs rambling on videos. He was unravelling and leading you up to something which made for a better understanding. So most of the things I say I understand what I'm saying, even though I could be wrong, that's not parroting. Parroting is just repeating words without understanding their meanings and why you're saying them and can you explain them in your own words and give analogies to help to explain what's being said. One can still be wrong in all that but it's not parroting. So back to the thoughts and the battlefield. We're annoyed with a natural phenomenon called thoughts and we're trying to get something from life and it's stupid phenomena called thoughts isn't in the picture because it can be cruel, so I meditate to slow their occurrence and to try and manage this curse. We believe in thoughts and think they are ours, so we try to do something about them thinking we're so great because we meditate and go on silent retreats. No you're not, you're not realizing who you are (not) and you have identified an enemy of the state and you're trying to protect yourself from harm. We don't realize how it's the very same practices we're doing that is stopping us from awakening to our no already selves and recognizing there's nobody home but the chickens. Every one of our practices leads to strengthening the self. These thoughts belong to me and i need to silence them because they're driving me crazy. Ok, your silent retreat is about silence and you being silent from what. Ain't it thoughts. A naturally occurring thing. You're in battle with life. At war with it. Your meditations and silent retreats aren't special and you're no more holier than the bar hopper that needs the music and loud speaking buddies to drown out his thoughts. It's just at the other end of the spectrum. ALL THAT SAID MEDITATION CAN BE GOOD AND SILENT RETREATS CAN BE BENEFICIAL. In fact, I'd love to go to one and i do meditate on occasion. So this is not about criticisms of spiritual practices. It's about recognizing them for what they are. I may practice gymnastics or I may do spiritual practices, same difference. The gymnasts is stronger and more flexible and the same for the meditator, only it's the mind benefiting and exercising while the gymnast exercises the muscles.

Most people (I'm assuming), are into Spirituality for what they can get out of it. How it can benefit them. Values they get from it. How to make their lives better, less suffering, etcetc. Nothing wrong with that but I'd like to point out it's no different than wanting a house or a car or a job a wife and kids or that vacation. Some are now addicted to Spirituality instead of Crack and use it as a coping mechanism. I keep it raw. Some will relate and some won't. Some will understand this, some won't. Some don't realize it's a true loss not a gain. You will try to get a hold of what you're losing and try to hang on, but it will only breed frustration. When you really get that there's nothing to get, it will devastate the one trying to reach somewhere. The irony is, some are trying to dissolve the self but trying to get something that benefits the self. It's a fucking endless loop that leads to neuroses. I want to dissolve the self because I'm suffering but it is that very selfish self that they want to dissolve that is looking to benefit from it's own annihilation. Make that make sense. I will not suffer when I am no more because it is because I am why I suffer. Could you please help me dissolve the self that will be the only beneficiary of this insurance policy, please. Sugarcoat, it's not just you, so I'm not just talking about you, if you read this, but you are one, yes. Don't you see how silly that is. Unconditional love includes everything so it's all good. Nothing is off limits.

Oh yeah, I remember that remark, but what are you referencing in this thread.