Princess Arabia

Why not when she's married because a man is supposed to take care of his family. Provisions are supposed to be in place for a woman to feel safe and protected in the marriage, yes. It's a man's obligation. That's what men do. That's who they are. They are providers and protectors by nature if they're not rebelling against society and women, or are ignorant to this like you are..it's not about being his job. Does a mother raise her kids with love and kindness because it's her job. No it's instinctual. It's also instinctial for men to protect their territories. He's doing it as protection and not as a job. To make her and his family feel safe and protected. No one said if needs be, and situation arises that other provisions can't be made or things can't be temporarily put in place, and FYI I'm speaking about marriages or at least long-term live-in relationships.

Replace the words post and posting for the words live and living in your heading and post and answer that question.

Funny, he's my celebrity crush. Hehe. I wonder if he'd make me pay the electric bill. Lol

You have put words into my mouth and have totally massacred my stance on this by your own interpretation of what I said. I never used the word despicable and I never said the man pays for everything, nor did I say a woman should never do chores. Also, yes a woman can work and pay her own bills when she lives by herself and is unmarried or is in a roommate situation.

Let's get married. Kidding, but you have explained this perfectly. "When you lay the expectation that a woman should do certain things for you because you do certain things for her, this creates a relationship based on transactionality", is the whole point of this. You explained this how I see it and as if you are viewing the situation from the same lens and perception I am viewing it from.

Triggered is a bit overly harsh. Maybe it sounded that way, but I wasn't triggered. Maybe I was, dunno. I have to check myself on that. Different cultures see things differently and also different mindsets.

Pretty funny. Customer Service Upgrade...haha. I couldn't stop laughing. On point.

Fine. No one is arguing with you about your choices. I don't see a rule book. FYI I won't be sitting on my ass, BTW. Thats not the set up. The set up is I take care of the household while he pays the bills. I either do the chores myself or pay someone to do it but it's not a rule that I the wife must do them. If I get pregnant, bills are still getting paid, if I get sick, bills are still getting paid. If something goes wrong with him God forbid then I take over and bills still get paid from either my savings or his or wherever. Both sides win. See. It's not that complicated.

Cooking and cleaning for your kids isn't, it's a responsibility; for a grown man it is. He can cook his own shit and clean his own shit or hire a maid. Now, if she chooses, then it's ok, all im saying it's not a prerequisite for marriage. Personally, I would cook.for my husband so I'm not saying otherwise but I'm not doing it because it's expected but because I want to. If a man doesn't want to pay the bills that's fine. Get to stepping. It's all a matter of freedom of choices here. No one is forcing anyone. I'm not talking about casual relationships here but serious ones with futures.

Cooking and cleaning are chores, bill paying is not. I am not living with a man under roommate conditions. I cook or clean if I choose, the bills aren't optional. For you it might be "can't have your cake and eat it", for plenty of men, they are happy to have you as a wife without you needing to do their chores and still keep you safe and protected as a woman by taking care of the household. Society has conditioned us into believing a lot of crap. A woman isn't supposed to be a maid to a man, but a man is supposed to provide for and protect his FAMILY. She cooks and cleans if she chooses, bills aren't an option. I'm speaking of marriages or live-ins here.

Like I said. Boys won't understand this. Men will. I'm out.

Gosh! You have the same arguments everytime.

Yes, I'm entitled to not be used and tread upon like a piece of meat and used as some man's gas station like you suggested earlier. I would be embarrassed as a man to say I only see women as sex objects.

I don't expect guys in their 20's to get me so ill just have to understand that. It's a total different world. Go sow your oats a bit until reality kicks in when she starts to look at you differently and you realize your masculine power and how to utilize it.

@HojoLiving with a man and expecting him to pay the bills is not using him as an ATM. Im so tired of explaining things to you in this field. You'll get it in a few years....or not.

Out making money to pay the bills.

I never mentioned anything about love, but it certainly ain't for slaving either.

Only on a forum filled with testosterone and the women aren't allowed to speak up. Switch the gender with half the shit said here in this section and the responses will.be like what you just gave. Imagine women saying all they want is money from men and men ain't worth shit their time like what @Hojoboy said earlier about women. Or I look at men as ATM machines like Mr Manuel bon says how he see women as objects and Mr Aion says, he plays women for sex and pays for their meals until he gets into their pants. If I said I play men for their money until I get it then treat them like shit, I'd be ostracized and told I'm a whore or whatever. I see how you guys can get away with saying pretty much anything you want to about women and us ladies have to WATCH OUT. I'm getting sick and tired of this forum's misogyny and hatred of women talk and as soon as I open my mouth I better watch out or tone it down or don't answer too much. One response is enough. Gtfoutta here.

Like I said, who let the boys out. Thank God real men are out enjoying women and having a blast in their company. They can't even get enough, from what I've heard. I'm out. Can't let the energy vampires drain my feminine energy today.

Ok. Depends on where you're from. Doesn't matter if it's his 4th wife. That wasn't the point. He's still not looking for women to serve him. Most men aren't who can serve themselves or hire someone to. I'm not referring to sexually here. I'm just going to leave this section alone and just wait for the ass whooping by Someone here, when he sees my comments. Who let the boys out.

Exactly. Why mention a wife then. Only when one is oblivious to the queues in communication styles would you see that as just normal. It is normal when all you're thinking of is yourself not just talking about yourself. There's a difference.

Do you think Melania is serving Donald dinner, giving him tedious massages and sucking his dick nightly. Do you think the rich wives of rich husband's are doing these things, but they're married anyway. Conditioning my friend, conditioning. This is what has failed us. Using each other as slaves. Men are built for certain things and so are women. A woman can nurture her husband just by being there. But only a masculine man can recognize and appreciate that. When a woman can make a man want to strive for excellence to support her and the family and to allow for her to be in her feminine energy will he learn to love and respect her and want to be with her. Not when he's using her as a sex slave or a maid. His eyes will wander for the princess and queen he wants to work for and who he can go all out for to prove he's worthy of her love. Ok, I'm back to reality and to all the naysayers, save it and don't even bother because I'm only dreaming.

Oh my. That's all imma say.

Notice how many times the word "I" got used in the OP. Every other sentence has the word "I" in it.

Serving dinner, giving massages, and sucking dick is not considered working together. He proposed those things as what a wife does. That's what I'm responding to. If they so happen, that's fine but a wife need not perform chores for her husband to be considered a wife. Notice he mentioned nothing about serving her or what might make her happy to be with him, only what will make him happy. That's not working together.