Princess Arabia

@Javfly33There is no dream, so there's nothing to end. It's all imaginary. Yes, there appears to be a dream but it's not really happening. Go try to end your night dream and wake up to find yourself somewhere else than where you started - in the bed.

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@IshangaThis is why we suffer. This is how suffering is borne. It's a mental construction. When you keep saying not on this Absolute level, you have separated life. In other words, you have cut your self with a knife and sliced yourself into pieces. Ouch! That hurts. On the mental plane, that's called suffering. We are trying to mend that knife wound by adapting spiritual practices and gurus with hopes of mending the wound. All that stuff is also entertainment. It's empty. No power. They give off effects and appearances of doing something, but it's all just an appearance. Just like watching a movie and seeing the beautiful effects and the magic of the lights camera action and sound effects and camera effects. THAT'S ALL THAT'S HAPPENING. That said, no one is suggesting to stop doing anything because I myself still do spiritual practices because I enjoy them, and nothing useless about anything in particular because IT'S ALL EMPTY.

You have misunderstood the teaching. There's no one to say, I won't drive a car since i'm in God realization. God realization is a concept, an idea. It's all concepts and ideas so is enlightenment. "but not within society", is again a mental construct. It's happening regardless of how you see it. There's no this is society so I have to stoop to society's level and live from that place or I have to live from the Absolute and be in bliss and all that. That's all mental stuff, separation, beliefs, ideas, thoughts. Bliss and peaceful is what the egoic mind that doesn't exist strives for. It can't help it. That's what you're talking about. Youlre fantasizing about a God realization, bliss and peace. Reality is all ready that - no matter what the mirage is showing and whatever is appearing.

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Yes, but this only comes to mind when one is trying to get somewhere and be helped (in this context, that is, not for practical stuff like a project). You will see something more important than the next and say it doesn't help because there is an avoidance of what is and disliking the movie that's being played. When that happens in real life, all we do is switch to another movie or watch something else. In reality, what the mind does is judge and criticize the movie and complain about the movie and say the movie isn't helping them, instead of just jumping to another script. How that's done is through the imagination. Leave alone what we don't like and focus on what we do like, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. We are infinity here to experience that part of infinity as we so choose - not complain and judge and criticize it. That's the true nature of the illusion. That's the purpose of life. For life to experience itself. We maneuver that with programming, thoughts and beliefs. That's how it works.

All of your response is pointing to the illusion, the dream, the world of form. That's fine and i agree with all that. What I'm saying is it's still illusory. You keep saying, "that's why we're here". Here where? where's there? Came from where? Going where? All stories. Nothing wrong with that as I have them too; but in a discussion like this, where we're trying to discuss reality's true nature, we have to be able to differentiate the difference and to recognize it for what it is. The "one sided and lead to all kinds of situations" you're referring to are also just stories and illusory. I need to stress that I'm not disagreeing that this is the case where all types of problems seems to appear in life and people are all seemingly lost, delusional, confused and all that, even myself; but that is all what is appearing and is not really the case in actuality. Forget about the Absolute and how we're not living from that space and all that, that is the egoic mind trying to find a place for itself, trying to maintain it's identity because there's no separation from the Absolute. Now, all you're saying about human and form and living and why we're here - that's the illusion and not real but seemingly so. That's all a part of the script. That's all within the realm of stories. To truly realize this, you must step out from all that and go beyond that and realize that your true nature is beyond all that and that is the only "thing" that is permanent and REAL. It is you, it is me, and everything. Everything appears from this and there is no separate being watching that TV but it is all encompassing and it's all real and unreal at the same time. So all you're saying is the case, all i'm saying is the case because you can't have the movie without the screen. This is what I mean when I say it doesn't matter because, it's all done and it cannot be any other way than it is. If it is, then that's also a part if the script. When I say script I'm referring to infinity. So, anything goes. Arguing is pointless and trying to get somewhere is pointless and also trying to tell someone they're wrong about life and such is pointless because that's also a part of the script. Even me saying it's pointless is also "pointless" because there's no point to anything.

To sustain her survival agenda and identification; whatever that is at the moment. It varies from woman to woman and from stages to stages. This is why people break up or outgrow each other. Their survival mechanisms change, and thus their partners aren't useful to them anymore and is in fact a hindrance to it. Most if it is on a subconscious level, though, and most people use other reasons and excuses for why they're no longer interested in being with that person unaware of the true nature of why. This is why some women will stay or leave and other women will stay or leave for the exact same things a particular man does. It depends on that woman's....all I explained above. Value to a woman from a man varies from woman to woman. Men copying each other and mimicking each other's behaviors in order to get a woman is useless because it all depends on the kind of woman you're trying to attract and even then, to sustain that, it depends on what she's looking for and her survival agenda and/or mechanism and egoic mind identity constructions.

No, you have missed what I'm saying. I'm not saying there are actors playing a part and because it's acting it's not real. Try not to analyze the actors and the movie and what that is. Try to see it from the perspective of it's all on a screen appearing without an actual existence. I will write verbatim for you an actual email I received from Sunny Sharma on this very topic. I received it on Oct 5, and was actually surprised that he was writing an email of this nature because his main thing is self-inquiry and meditation. Anyway, this email is not what I'm basing my words from as, that you already know, I've been talking like this forever. I'm sharing it so you can see and understand more clearly what I'm trying to point to here. Here goes: Quote: " There is no doer because nothing is being done, nothing is happening. All happenings are IN appearance only. All happenings are AN appearance only. When you go to watch a film, many things happen inside of the movie world, but the movie world, along with the character doing things within it, have no actual existence. The entire movie world is merely an appearance on the screen. When you dream at night, the whole dream world, along with the person doing things within it, have no actual existence. The entire dream world is merely an appearance in awareness. It is the same with what we call the waking state also. A whole world with an individual doing things inside of it is an appearance only. Nothing is being done because nothing is actually happening. It is only appearing to happen. From a point of view within the appearance, everything seems solid, legitimate and real. From the more expanded understanding, everything is only an appearance, a thought. You may have heard Ramana Maharshi say something similar to "the world is nothing other than a thought". This is perhaps what he was pointing to. What we call experience doesn't actually exist. IT ONLY APPEARS TO EXIST. It has momentary existence, but existence is a facade. Existence is plagued with impermanence. Impermanence is the mark of UNREALITY. - If we read this and then ask, ok well now what do I do? How do I live? Then we have not understood this teaching. If we read this then say, everything now seems so meaningless and without purpose, then we have not understood this teaching. Do don't get entangled in those silly mental reactions to this teaching. Instead, let the teaching be an open-ended mystery and carry on with life as you feel fit. When this teaching is understood, it does not create trouble". End Quote. Then he goes on to itemized suggested ways on how to explore the teaching and grow in it's realization. Like I said, I didn't just come to this realization from reading this email as i've been saying stuff like this all along even using the movie analogy for a while now. Everything in reality is pointing to this. I have not been able to see anything that contradicts this yet. Infact, everything else that has to do with this topic or issue contradicts itself. This is why there are so many questions and inquiries and confusion. To me, this TV/movie analogy represents so many spiritual concepts and ideas as in, there is no separation, it's all oneness, even the idea of solipsism, creation is finished, universal laws, I mean everything spoken about this TV analogy represents it. This is why there's nothing to change or fix because it's all done and it's all perfect and it's all Absolute.

What I mean is this and I'll use the analogy of the TV. When you're watching a movie are the actors actually there acting and the plot actually happening there right in your experience, no. It's an appearance of actors and a plot and lights camera action. Where is all this taking place, on a screen that's not actually moving. The TV is still but the car driving in it is moving, that's an appearance. Every event, circumstance, story,etc, is being shown on that one screen called a TV. Nothing is going anywhere, there is no past or future there. You might say, well that movie did take place in real life where the actors were really at a place recording the movie, but that is your story and it's being imagined. Reality is like that.

Those are the ones who truly have the good heart, they're just trying to protect it by projecting a "bad boy" persona. It's the "nice guys" you gotta watch.

These are the kinds of arguments and questions and inquiries that come up when we are clueless as to what is really happening in reality. They come up as "what ifs" and "think about this" and "would it be true" and "how would you know" questions. If I go blind and deaf, does the auditory world exist. If I lose my taste buds, does the taste world exist, and so on. There is no you tasting and seeing and smelling and hearing anything. These apparent senses are tricks to allow for a human experience. An experience that's not really happening only appearing to. When I speak like this, it's sounds ludicrous and unreal and however else it's being perceived. The thing is, half of our line of questionings would dissolve when we understand what is really going on beyond our reason and logic. Something that makes no sense to the human mind. Something that cannot be perceived. A blind or deaf man hasn't lost anything because we're not really seeing or hearing anything either. It's just an appearance; meaning it's not really happening. It's like the ears are just there - doing nothing. Hard for the mind to fathom. I hear from ears too, or seemingly so, so this is not to say I'm not having that experience. All I'm saying is when we really understand the truth of what is, certain line of reasoning falls away and those inquiries doesn't even enter the mind when speaking about how reality works allowing for other inquiries to arise and form a chain reaction where we can start to see clearly what is actually going on and slowly dissolve the illusion and truly wake up. Not seeing through the illusion and appearances of reality will lead to a constant back and forth going round in a circle and causing us to keep chasing our own tail. If the aim is to really understand, then we have to leave behind the logical mind and start to operate from the top down. Seeing yourself as a human inside a physical reality that is actually moving and one has to navigate through it to survive by means of the senses and survival mechanisms will never get you to a point of truly seeing reality as it actually is and keep you in the illusion. Hope that was clear.

Who's the "Consciousness", who's the "my" and what is the "reality". The trifecta of reality. Just pointing this out so you realize that stemming from this place all other insights, concepts and ideas you have about reality and whatever perspectives you have about it and beliefs will be false and only what you believe to be true. It can't be; only from a relative point of view which is also just an appearance. I say this because of the nature of your post; and of course, we don't go around saying or living as if there's no separation in our human form and while we navigate the world, but the point of this discussion it becomes necessary so you're aware that the moment you split reality into pieces, everything else said after that will be false in accordance with the existential nature of things and how reality actually is.

You guys are acting as if killers are just roaming the streets announcing they're killers. Like there's one, let me go flirt with him. Oohh, he strangled my best friend, that's sexy. Lol.. Killers are usually locked up or walking around without us knowing or already spent eons in jail. Women are writing to serial killers in jail, yes, but it's not like women are going around dating killers and mass murderers. They're locked up usually.

Would love to hear your take on that.

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This is like saying you're only eating one side of the bread. Think about it. I'm falling asleep......oohh....I'm waking up......ooh. No you just fall asleep and wake up. When have you ever seen or felt yourself waking up, or even falling asleep. We don't experience sleep either. If you want to get technical and woo woo, we're not even really experiencing anything. Experience is an illusion, but we won't go there as your logical mind will go haywire with that. Lol

Ralston being funny. "Scull and crossbones".....lol

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This is how I understand the "there is no separation" phrase. Imagine you're eating a piece of bread. The action of "eating bread" is happening. Without you, there's no eating of bread, just bread. Without the bread there's no eating of bread, just you. Both are needed for there to be eating of bread. How can there be separation there. If you are staring at a wall, the action of staring at a wall is happening. You cannot be separate from that wall or else there's no staring happening. There cannot be any separation between you and anything you're aware of. Staring at a wall involves the wall and the one staring at the wall. Eliminate one and the action of staring at a wall disappears. They are like two sides of the same coin. If you're watching a street fight, you're not separate from that activity because without you being aware of the street fight, there's no street fight and if you take away yourself from the street fight, you cannot be aware of it. Both coexists together. One cannot exists without the other. You might say, there are plenty of street fights that I'm not aware of across the globe; yes, but I'm not aware of them so they don't exist for me. What about reading about a street fight. I'm not separate from that article then, not the street fight because I'm aware of reading about a street fight. In that moment, that article and I are one because without both objects there is no action. You are never separate from the objects of your awareness because both need to coexist for awareness to take place and if one is missing, there is no awareness of it. So, separation is impossible, as Awareness is all there is and there's nothing outside of it.

"Being aware of the system we're in" is referring to your true nature as Awareness which isn't affected by anything.

Hmmm

Ok, thanks.

Yes, I think it gets complicated when we say "you". And then we have different names for these things. I see what you're saying here. I Princess, isn't looking at a wall, looking at a wall is happening but not by me. Correct?