Princess Arabia

People are lonely because they have eyes?

Exactly what you've shared is fine. I'm just trying to see something here (or not). All you've heard about Eckhart are stories. That's fine. I heard his story. How can I say someone's enlightened just from a story I heard.

Ok great, a story. Next.

It's just an inquiry. Curiosity. Could you please share excerpts or something from someone you know of, please.

I bet you there's no one who'll be able to answer the OP's question. We're all calling people enlightened not knowing what they were like before. Knowledge is not enlightenment. A person siting on a throne talking shit is not enlightenment. A person telling you wise stuff is not enlightenment. A monk in a cave is not enlightened. A person saying they don't have a self is not enlightenment. A person period is not enlightenment. We just need to see examples of what we wish to become so we can believe in it ourselves. I want to become like that person, so we slap on a label and call it enlightenment and now we pursue it not knowing the transitional process and who they were before. I will wait for examples, though, and see what we call enlightenment in a person before and after.

Proving my point. There's nothing spoken here that's in opposition to what I said. Infact, it confirmed it. Awakening is not the same as the term enlightenment.

My view on all this stuff is that very rarely we see people talking about the great stuff happening (just like in the news), it's usually the doom and gloom stuff we hear about and now we think it's the majority. Internet and social media are just tools for these things to get more exposure. Depression, anxiety, trauma, loneliness, not getting laid, blah blah, is talked about more than their opposites because it's more juicy and drama-filled. Plenty of people are probably out there not lonely and depressed but who wants to hear about all that.

He said he's awake, not enlightened. There's a supposed difference. Awakening to infinity and God consciousness is not enlightenment. He doesn't even endorse the term as much anymore. Says it's human bullshit; at least how we see it.

You have a problem you outlined in the OP. There seems to also be a problem with some of the responses. So you have a problem being smart, intelligent and philosophical and also a problem with explaining how smart, intelligent and philosophical you are. Seems to be a problem being that way, expressing those traits and the feedback gotten from expressing it. There's only one denominator in all of this. You.

Leo doesn't claim to be enlightened, plus all I see is a lovely bald-headed man on a screen talking. Hehe

Hit the nail on the head.....it's all stories. Appearing and disappearing out of nothing. Nothing is the real deal.

....and he will say a different thing now.

Shows how much there's no one to tell since there's no one in these bodies. You're just telling a story to them and vomiting a bunch of concepts and ideas to no one. Liberation will be how it wants to be, even being unscathed by this message and think you're a looney tune. There's no point to tell or not tell. The result of either will be whatever liberation wants to appear as. Doesn't matter either way.

Now, you're the one talking the crazy shit. See we're all crazy. That's what I get.

The crazy shit is what sounds normal. You ain't get it yet. It's sanity when I talk like that. I'll go back to being insane and talk normal then. "How are you doing today, how's work, got laid lately"?

Oh ok. Seems like liberation already as there's no self, no reality other than what the already no self proclaims it to be, I'm gonna always want things to be different even though I realize it's what it is and time already doesn't exist but what the mind has created. Ok, so liberation is a fantasy for the one that doesn't already exist. I exist but only as an I. Where is it, here, where is here, here, when I move that here moves with me so here is everywhere I go so I exist everywhere and if I'm everywhere then how can I be liberated from something or somewhere. That other place that I was, that I called here before, is no longer here now it's there. If I go there then it becomes here. Which one is it. Where am I here or there. Oh I moved so I'm here and there. Where am I getting liberated from, here....wait, no, over there. Let me go back over there where liberation is found....ooops, it's over here. Geesh, keep me enslaved please. Lol don't mind me, I'm trippin on liberation lsd.

Because after they do all that stuff you're talking about, and they do, they need to pray for their sins for fear of going to hell.

Can I ask you what does it mean to be liberated. I honestly don't know. I can't even fathom the idea of me being liberated and liberated from what. Please answer, because I would really love to know what it's like for one to know that it's liberated and also libetated from what.

Realized there's no one to awaken. Look at the answers, they're just normal stuff everyday people are doing. Things are just obvious at this point.

Lol. Shut up, you're dead alive. Hehe

Hmmmmmmmmm

Who will be there to know that, you? Certainly not me.

Electricity and batteries makes electronics come alive, other than that they're just there. Plug a vacuum in it becomes "alive". Was it dead before. Is it alive now when plugged in. Is it neither. It doesn't have a heart and a lung and kidneys, is that the difference. What if you're nothing but energy plugged in and you're neither dead nor alive. Having a heart proves nothing.

I don't know shit. Just because I see other presumed dead bodies,I should now just assume I'll be one of those. No, no. No one knows they're dead, all you think you know is you're alive. What does it feel like being dead. You don't know.

You just said God is alive but didn't say if you were