Princess Arabia

Suffering is not a sensation. Suffering is mental chatter. Mental chatter is arising and the "I" attaches itself to that mental chatter and now it suffers. When there's no one, that mental chatter means nothing and there's no suffering. @Sugarcoat

No one said otherwise. Ilm not sure what you're disagreeing with. Misery arises, the "person" sees it as their misery and developed a story around it. If I'm feeling misery right now and see it for what it is, just misery appearing then that's all. Feelings will also arise from that misery and pain. If it is just misery and pain without stories then it's just misery and pain. Also feelings. The one that attaches itself to those things will develop stories around those appearances and now that's all imaginary and not real. What's real is the feeling of misery and pain and that's it, until it is no more.

All stories and not what's happening. There's no way I can say what will happen because time doesn't exist. I'm not saying I will tell my boss there's no me, what I'm saying is that's a story in the present which is all there is. So if you want to continue to talk about what may happen and how I will respond when it happens, then sure or we can talk about Santa Claus, makes no difference.

if telling my boss there's no me, that's what happened. Right now you're projecting a future that doesn't exist so it doesn't matter, your words are empty and meaningless. I'm not confined to anything because whatever happens is what happens. The construct is within the dream so how can anything be confined within a dream. It never happened. When you awaken at night from the bear chasing you, did it really happen. No. Same here.

Yes, but there's no one to end it. Just like no one started it. Whatever one believes is a cause for their apparent misery, is just a story. There's no time so how can there be a cause for misery to appear. It just appears without meaning.

There's no me choosing. Choosing is happening by no one. Take away all meaning, there's no outlook. Meaning is a construct.

There's no subject. There's no object. Simply what's appearing without meaning or substance. All empty and full simultaneously.

There's no way to end the misery because it never started. Notice everything is in the future but can never be reached. Go ahead and find the key. You'll be looking infinitely.

Tony Parsons I guess has that effect on your thinking he has that effect.

Happening to no one. There's no you being happy. It's a feeling that the "I" energy thinks it's his and identifies with in the dream of the separate self. It's just what's arising for Noone. It happens spontaneously and goes as quick as it comes.

Apparent movement of the unknown.

It's just energy responding to energy. We call it happiness, but it's just energy. Same as sadness and joy and misery. Also seeking. Which is what the "I" energy does.

Whatever works for the individual. Personally, I'm not a pick-up line kind of girl, just come say hello, how you doing and let the conversation flow. After the pick-up line then what. I don't consider an introduction a pick-up line or a spontaneous starting conversation. A bump on the shoulder at a bar, a wink to or by someone you think is attractive, a hey, can I buy you a drink, cold in here isn't it, how do you walk in them damn heels, how tall are you, nice shoes, I mean, its endless how you can start a conversation with someone without sounding pick-up- line(ish). The only way a guy can grab my attention with a pick up line is if it's funny as hell and i cant stop laughing. I can even become attracted to him just by that alone providing he's pretty decent in other areas. A funny guy whose not really trying to be funny in a corny type of way or just trying to impress is pretty cool and the opposite too, if he's just standing there doing nothing, and we're just eyeing each other until one of us make the first move. It's nothing concrete and every girl is different.

I didn't say we don't have anything else in common but what is common amongst EVERY person here. It's the only thing ALL of us share, the rest is divisible. Not everyone is using this forum for self-improvement either, other reasons are at play. There are other sub-forums unrelated to self-improvement. I just said Saturn and used it as an example.

It's not always about pick-up lines. Girls just laugh at those if they're funny but doesn't really accomplish much, especially if rehearsed. Pretense of shyness can only last but so long as you will always have to be on guard that you don't turn into the opposite. No need to pretend to be shy, no need to be shy, just ordinary. Cool is always nice, I like cool, cool and easy as in easy going.

Exactly. Not so much shy as in bashful and low-self esteem, but in a non-aggressive type way. For people who read this and think a woman NEEDS to feel special in order for this to work, no. If a woman needs a guy's approval to feel special, then that's no good. What this really means is that YOU will come off as standing out above the rest. Women get approached all the time, so it's the guy that really needs to stand out and showing her that you really like HER, accomplishes that. She will remember you, she will want to talk to you and get to know you more because curiosity kicked in and she wants to know what is it about her that attracted you to her. Other factors are at play, but somewhere along those lines. Especially day time approaches. Night time also, but not so much in clubs and bars, as anything goes there; and people are drinking and are more uninhibited and poorer choices are made and regrets kick in the next day.

Something just came to me that I would like to share. In life (the "mundane" stuff) we're just performing tasks. Going to work feeding the kids, buying the car, the house, even entertainment, buying clothes, everything. We're performing these tasks for survival, for maintenance of the body, for ways and means to feel secure, a sense of freedom, to feel loved, a sense of peace joy and gratitude. All the good stuff - you know the deal. When you've Awakened to your true nature, and I mean really know who and what you are, you may feel unmotivated to continue doing those "tasks" because you've recognized that they don't fulfill you. During your Awakening those feelings were magnified and now nothing comes close. You were only doing those things and were motivated to do them because of the feelings they generated within you. Even the job you didn't like was still giving you a sense of purpose and maybe a sense of productivity and worth. Now, you're unmotivated to do the mundane things because you don't have a reason to anymore. You wanted to feel secure but now you're already feeling secure, you wanted to feel loved, but now you're already feeling loved, you wanted to feel the freedom that working these mundane jobs provided, but now you don't crave that feeling anymore from Awakening to your true nature. Either that or those feelings want to push through more intensely but you're unmotivated to do mundane things to let them flow through. I don't really have the solution for this lack of motivation, and I do believe it's partially for the reasons stated above, for which I could be wrong, and could only apply to some and not all; but If it applies, maybe this is the time to really focus on your passions or the things that you enjoy the most because you did incarnate in this body for a reason, and that is to experience what it's like to be human from the perspective of Source (did I say that right - or is it the other way around), and maybe your Awakening is a message to you to really start living and to make yourself available for all the joys and pleasures that comes with this recognition instead of not allowing Source to flow through you in the unique way it wants which only you can do. Your lack of motivation could be the body being used to the adrenaline of "fake" fulfillment and the mind is telling it that it is already fulfilled and now it doesn't want to move to fit into the new paradigm of being already fulfilled because it is conditioned to do mundane tasks. The body and mind are not aligned, or maybe it's the mind and body that's not aligned with the heart. Not sure, but something isn't aligned.

Because there's an agenda. In your case, you didn't have one, it just happened. Effortlessly.

The I AM KNOWS. The Absolute cannot be known. There is no Absolute truth only the Absolute which also includes Absolute truth. What he discovered is also a part of the Absolute. The only thing is discovery happened to no one. I'm not going to keep this up with you because it really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you say the I Am is the Absolute Truth and it doesn't matter if I say it's not. That's all the Absolute and doesn't change much. It will only be the I strengthening or dissolving and either way neither ever happened.

Why are you making assumptions that what was being said came from a teaching. Understanding requires knowledge and knowledge requires a person that knows something which implies separation which is what the I AM represents but only in the dream.

You say the same thing but in a different way at times, The only difference is you believing you're a person, a someone that knows something. If you take that out the equation all that's being said equates to the same thing. You're like the scientist that tries to figure out Reality unaware that it is what it's trying to figure out. All you say is fine and dandy and is also the Absolute, but there's one thing you're missing and that there is no you.

Because this is already fulfillment and freedom. The only thing is, it is fulfillment and freedom for no one. The "I" thinks it's real and keeps searching for wholeness and completion which is this already. How can something that is already whole and complete be more whole and complete. Take the person, out the equation, the one that knows something, and what's left is just the Absolute "absoluting". There's nothing to seek because seeking implies separation and the one that seeks to fulfill a hole will never fill that hole because there's no hole to begin with. Happiness is a fleeting state and states are illusory because they need a person to be states, and the person is also illusory. Why do you think nobody gets out of this "alive". Because there's no one to begin with. It's the Absolute appearing and situations, things, circumstances, people with a life, etc are seeming to happen but they are nothing appearing as something. Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.

The illusion is not what's been said. The illusion is in the interpretation of what's been said. Reality is not an illusion. The Absolute, which is everything, including what seems to appear, is not an illusion. The I AM is the illusion. Separation is the illusion. The stories and interpretations of what's appearing is the illusion. What is, is not an illusion. Your body, the things that appear, the changes and movements, the sights, sounds, hearing, sensations are not illusions. The only illusion is what the I AM, the individual and the apparent person interprets from what's seemingly arising. If there was no language, there would be no world, no interpretations, no agendas, no personhood, no life, no achievements, no seeking, no....you name it. Language was invented by humans. There is only what's happening. It's only humans that have a life, an experience. Without an experiencer there's no experience, just what's happening. Which is not an illusion. Everything is apparent, which means seeming to happen. There's actually nothing happening. There's no one that anything is happening to. The mystery is what is this that is seeming to appear, and no one knows because to know implies separation and someone to know something. That's the illusion. All knowledge is illusory and what makes the dreamer seem to be having a life. There is no life, no world and no one, only bodies appearing. It's all just a mystery, but not unto itself, because there is no self. Only This, appearing as a self. Here comes the naysayers.

Depends on the time of day, who I'm with, how I'm feeling and how much wine consumed.

Sounds like a tiger ripping it's prey apart. Lol