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Literally, I hope. Maybe you'll die and melt into nothing. 😜

There is no we to be the Absolute. There is only Absolute. Absolute being everything timelessly. 'We' suggests an object. There are no real objects called a we. We is separation.

Exactly. It's all empty. Seeing sees emptiness. Emptiness is seeing nothing. Nothing is being seeing.

Yes, fine. No need to have a forum on spirituality if we're going to discuss what is seemingly appearing to happen. Ok. The dog is choking. The cat is eating. I'm going to work. My car needs fixing. I am not my toe. All relatively experienced. So what. Why discuss that on a forum of this nature. I say what I say because that's actually the case without the stories, ideas, concepts and abstractions from the dream of the separate self. It's more exciting and real than the made up stories of the I AM, in my opinion, so it's worth talking about instead of dead stories that isn't even happening in the first place. It's not even about grasping or intellect. It's the Absolute appearing as that in ether case. So it really doesn't matter if the "person" says they've grasped it or seems to be intellectualizing. In both cases it's still Absolute as both and is impossible to grasp and is seeming to be intellectualized but not really.

Who are they. They are also THIS/LIFE/REALITY/GOD..whatever..saying this. It is uttering itself. There is no you or I to exist as something. That again is limiting reality and from the subject/object paradigm in the dream of separation. Exist means to stand out and nothing stands out in wholeness. There is a sense in the contracted energy that may seem to think it exists in timelessness, but that's the illusion. There is no me to exists or that can even exist, it's impossible for anything to really exist. Existence is NOTHING.

Another misunderstanding. How can everything be happening to everything. You feel separate so now everything is abstracted and turned into subject/object paradigm as in "life is happening to something". No, life/Reality/ just is. For it to be happening TO something suggests limitation. You are limiting Reality with this statement. Happening to something also suggests meaning and purpose which is also a limitation.

Here it Is right here. This is what the "me" doesn't know/understand because it can't. When there is no you/me/I existing as something ALL THERE IS IS GOD/ENERGY/BOUNDLESSNESS/ALL THERE IS. So, if anything, though not really, it is you that is denying God by saying you exist as something. God is not a something as it is everything so there cannot be a me or you or we or us or them or any pronoun existing anywhere as God. There is no you to be God.

There's no one that can become the Universe. That empty space you describe is energy being space. Energy being everything including bodies. Look at it this way. There's walking through energy that is being the space you're walking through. Energy being a body, energy being the space. We can call that God if we like - still energy. Energy is being everything and that's how nothing is actually happening. How can anything be actually happening when everything is everything. Meaning, nothing is actually moving because movement requires an outside thing for something to be moving in. Energy is everything including the apparent movement. Energy is what is being whatever it is that requires movement to happen along with the objects that seem to move. Nothing is actually moving. That energy being space is actually an illusion to an observer. . Without an observer there is no space as in deep sleep. No observer there. The observer is what creates space between subject and object. Go to sleep - no space. Wake up, space appears. Space is illusory. There's none in wholeness, just energy appearing as space, but only if there's seeing happening and an apparent abstraction of that seeing by the illusory observer which is you. That's the dream.

No, I didn't mean it as you were arguing a case. It was a figure of speech. Just seemed like a lot to unfold. I just see it simply as seeing is the case with no one doing the seeing. My cat and I jumped earlier from hearing a loud noise outside. She jumped and I jumped. She looked outside, I looked outside. Someone just dropped a trash can and it made a loud noise. She has cat ears, I have human ears. She has a cat body and I have a human body. We both heard the same noise at the same time. How's that. That's the point i'm trying to raise here. Not perceptions or translations, just the raw sound of the noise heard by two entirely different species. The sense perceptions seems to not be owned as in my ears that hears. No one hears, it's just hearing happening. Hearing is what's happening but without anyone doing the hearing. That's my point. This is my body and that's her body, but we hear the same things through different bodies. Insert any circumstance and any sense except the feeling sense. She cannot even see herself in the mirror. I already tested that but she can see me. Weird.

@Natasha Tori Maruok. I rest my case. Too much going on there.

Everything is Absolute. Infinite. Perception is illusion. My hand is Absolute, my toes are Absolute, a cup, a tree a rose, a cat a dog, all Absolute in their own right. They only appear separate and finite to the observer. That's an illusion. There's nothing that isn't Absolute. Absolute is all there is. Relativity is illusion. It's not really happening. I mean to show this in this thread but no one seems to be getting it. I couldn't see the same thing you're seeing or hearing if those senses weren't Absolute.

What I'm trying to get at in this thread is showing "non-separation". Showing how seeing, for example, is Absolute all on its own. You're not seeing, I'm not seeing, it's just seeing.

This is pretty much it; except the word experience, i think, puts the question in a different context and now gives room for interpretations and references to one experiencing an object rather than just the raw seeing of it. I like the way you rephrased it, though.

Lol, mine too.

Well, that's a nice insight. Probably. Something to ponder. Won't know for sure, though. If that's the case though, it has to be for everything else. I see a traffic light, you see a traffic light but it's not the same traffic light. Replace for every single object that's seen by multiple people. That's a lot of duplicates. A million man march with one speaker, all see the same speaker or is it a million speakers. One for every set of eyes. See what I mean, weird.

I believe this is possible. To what extent, i'm not sure. I've heard of mother's feeling their child's pain and also twins.

You have totally twisted and turned what I'm trying to point out here. You see a cow, I see the same cow with different sets of eyes and different bodies. How's that. Not an interpretation of a cow, not an experience of a cow, just a cow, just a bird, just a car. How can we both see the same object at the same time. You from your body and eyes, me from my body and eyes, see the exact same thing at the same time. That's all I'm saying.

Like these kinds of questions is what I ponder at times. I'm always pondering things. No room for too much personal suffering because i'm not focused too much on myself just life on a whole and it's mysteries. This here query I'll have to ponder some more but it's an interesting thing to ponder about. I've never pondered this so thanks for a pondering idea. Edit: Pondered for 30secs and came up with the tooth isn't where the pain is but it's where the energy of pain is felt and why it's not felt in the hand is because the tension isn't in the hand area. IOW, energetically pain is arising and can only be felt where it's energetically arising for no reason or purpose and we just call it a tooth ache or an arm ache, but it's just energetic tension that seems to arise in those respective parts.

Yes, I can see your energetic structure to be one that would seem to ponder the same kind of things this energetic structure does just from your responses. We will clash and we may agree; but it's of a similiar structural pattern. I saw that from your discussions with James and in other threads. Not too many will veer off into these kinds of thinking and ideas. It comes from a certain type of energy. All illusory but, nonetheless, it appears so.

One body that you perceive to be one body. That appears to look like one body. These are projections. You seem separate, you appear to be separate, so now what comes with that automatically is a sense of a separate body with many parts that I am in and i perceive other separate whole bodies with different parts. That's an illusion. There are no separate bodies with different parts. That's the observer(you), the dream, that's projecting. Without you, there's just what is timelessly being itself which is already the case. Think of when you were a baby and before you KNEW of yourself to BE. A sense of self apparently arose in the body to make it seem as if there are also separate bodies but that's the illusion and the dream.

Beautiful.

Go Cardi. You're the boss. To all the one's who will judge this as low-conscious , this is also life, this is Absolute perfection, this is everything. Your judgements are also. This is freedom's expression. Disgust is also freedom's expression.

I don't. There's no me to think. 🤣

You have just explained: no observer, no one, the dream, the illusion and all that isn't really happening because there's no such thing as "after it has happened", not even a notion as "after". This is all in the realm of the dream of separation. Bravo. There is no real next, after or present moment as immediacy is timeless. The knower doesn't appear after anything, there simply just isn't one, only the dream. The dream IS the knowing energy.

There's also no one to not say they're done with the conversation. You're expecting the person to act like a no one and to know they're a no one. I'm no one so I can't say this or say that. There's never been anyone and never will. Nothing needs to change and no one can act like a no one. There's just a misunderstanding of this notion, that's it.