Princess Arabia

You just hit the nail on the head right here. Nothing more needs to be said about suffering. I've come to this recognition a while back and it's amazing how short-lived the suffering got and how I realized the mind was doing it. The key is to bring it back to the present and recognize what is happening then. Most times you're just sitting on a couch or washing dishes. Where is the suffering in that. Half the shit i was worried about never even came to pass. Physical pain is a different story.

This is just another discussion and topic. Can't discuss it all at one time. If you'd prefer when I say what I say, I can also add "BUT" to the mix and explain away all you just did. This is why sometimes I see no point in discussing anything on the top level because it always comes back down to the dream/relative/dual level and then the "scare tactic warnings" begin. Don't know about you, but your mind can keep telling itself that it's in a prison. I don't have to engage with those scare tactics that the mind likes to present. I understand this level, but it's all relative and the mind sees it in many different ways since it's just stories and dreams. Mine sees it as just what it is; and whatever appears to happen, happens and I will respond the best I know how to the situation at hand and when I find it going off in lala land about fearful stuff that's not present, I bring it back to the light of awareness in the dream and it just chills. That's it. It's not that complicated and both worlds exist in the same sphere.

NO, I didn't mean you personally. I know you don't judge women; in fact, you're harder on men than you are on women. I was just generalizing.

One would have to be pretty delusional to think it won't hurt or these things wouldn't have an impact. When I speak as I do, I'm not negating these things. If someone were to chop my arm off, I'm not going to go around saying reality isn't real and there's no one here and life's a dream so who cares. Of course not; but that's not what's being discussed. If we're discussing the ultimate nature of things and God and the Absolute etcetc why do we need to sugarcoat it all the time by saying if and if and if. If the truth is that there is no real reality or whatever the case is, then thatls a point, but to keep talking about a starving child and a hungry dog doesn't need to be addressed at the same time.

Yeah, I get it. The reason. Still a personal choice and each person deals with it accordingly. Not for any other person to judge as we're on our own personal journeys.

Hush, that's personal. Lol. Hope it's coming along fine and working out for you.

If you're asking this then what's the point. Would you go to a job interview with smelly and dirty clothes. No. So you enhance your appearance for that and a million other reasons. Enhancing one's appearance is done in many different ways and you do it too for different reasons other than wearing make-up. The fact of even working on one's self is an appearance enhancement. Leo worked on his blog for appearance enhancement, you type words on a screen and try to format it nicely by using paragraphs is an appearance enhancement. Why look at wearing make-up any differently. It's an appearance enhancement just like any other. The bias is within the judgement. That's all.

It's OK. Whenever the rebuttals come, it's usually one of these "ifs" comments or the starving child in Africa or if someone hits you upside the head we'll see about no reality then. Poor excuse and reasonings. Doesn't take away from what's the case. Even when I said there is reality within the dream, you're still saying "we'll see when". Yes the dream seems real but for a discussion like this, I was just pointing to the ultimate. There is no such thing as reality. Thats it. Everything is a story and no one wakes up. The end. Now let's get back to reality.

I don't really mean it in that sense. Every human has some type of insecurity - it's natural because of our nature. EVERYONE. Now Jennifer, I'm sure doesn't need make-up to make up for any lack in that department; I've seen her without make-up and she looks fine. Even if she wasn't insecure about her looks, she would still wear it. You said feel better, and I was just stating that it's not always the case with make-up. That's what I'm addressing - the make-up issue and that alone. A woman can wear make-up and still feel the same as when she had none on. I'm not sure about all that about insecurities is how feminine works and how the masculine is secure. I've met many insecure men. IMO men are more insecure than women but mostly in the dating department. Also career wise if they haven't achieved because they are so competitive and base their worths on their achievements. But that's another topic. I addressed the make-up issue because so many men have the wrong idea about it and why it's worn. Different women for different reasons. The main one is not to feel better about themselves but to appear more attractive if worn properly just like wearing a nice dress or shoes. It's a feminine thing. Would you say a woman wears dresses just to feel better about themselves; no, it's a feminine thing to do and a choice to wear it. Same with the make-up. It's not there to feel better about yourself but to enhance one's appearance just like an accessory can. Unfortunately some women do need it to feel better about themselves but others can feel better just for feeling better's sake when wearing it, but not necessarily because of some type of self-esteem issue.

We are.......in reality..... is dualistic. No such thing, ultimately. There's no we that's in reality. It's just reality and that's even saying too much because there's really no reality other than what appears and appearances aren't real, ultimately. If something appears it can disappears. What remains, just is. Emptiness is not reality. Now for all you naysayers, there is a reality but only within the dream, a dream that's not really happening.

A hangover is usually dehydration. You can still sleep for hrs and wake up with a hangover. You enter into deep sleep automatically after a certain about of time has elapse, unless you keep waking up before the REM stage begins.

I think a right balance here is key; not swaying too much either way.

Well said and I agree.

Make-up has been around for centuries. Most women don't put on make-up for just that reason. Make-up for the feminine is more about an accentuation. To enhance. Accessorize. Like wearing jewelry, to complement. Lots of people do lots of things to feel better about themselves. There's a difference between enhancing one's appearance to lift one's mood or spirits and compensating with something because one doesn't feel good about themselves. Plenty of women who already feel good about themselves wear make-up. What you said is also true, but it's not the sole reason and for most females it's just another accessory and a way to express via art. It can enhance ones features and can make you feel better, sure; but not necessarily because one was lacking in that department initially.

I don't know what i am.

And men are liars.....now what. One woman did this and you make a post saying women are deceptive. How cringe. I've been lied to..... Ok I'll start a thread saying men are liars. How silly. The government is deceptive, lawyers are deceptive, kids are deceptive.....and the opposite is also the case.

Good info.

I've never heard of that. My understanding and education on cilantro, says they remove toxic and heavy metals. Nothing I can say for sure as I've not done any formal studies on such, but I've listened to experts on the matter. That said, the vitamins you've recommended has in the ingredients "cellulose" which is another word for wood pulp and is harmful to the body. Ice-cream and lots of other conventional toxic packaged products on the market and many toxic supplements do have this toxic ingredient and i do not recommend and have also gotten that from the experts. All I've said are only recommendations and have not been approved by the FDA so take cautionary measures as I'm not an expert on such matters.

I apologize for using the word hate in the same conversation and thread we were having. It wasn't necessarily meant for you and your expressions, which I stated before when I said "I'll give you that". I was generalizing. My apologies again, because I should have expected you to take it as my referring to you.

I never once attacked. I'll leave this thread now as he seems to often times come where I'm at to throw personal punches. Happens more than enough times where it's starting to seem personal and for no doing of mine.

Anyone with any reasonable sense who looks back at the whole conversation can see that I wasn't being provocative, attacking, judgemental not criticizing. Only making assumptions, stating opinions and expressing how I felt about the topic, in very rational, respectful ways. Never once did I attack, nor mace judgements only observations and personal opinions. Goodbye

The dictionary describes "provocative dressing" as: Quote "Intended to make someone feel sexual desire". I'm not sure how a suit and vest accomplishes this. Anyway, since you're in attack mode, I'll just exit this conversation and leave you to marinate in your own attacks and let you bask in that release of tension you just had to let go on me as per usual in your communications with me.

Sweetheart, all you do is attack me all the time and i never attacked back once. Whose the one that seems traumatized. I'm barely stating my opinions in herd and all i get from you constantly are attacks, with not once me attacking back. How does what I'm saying here makes me seem abused. I'm not sure, but no i haven't been abused nor do I have any sexual trauma. It's ok though, go ahead and attack, doesn't phase me. I've recognized where that cones from and I've seen no need to attack back.

how is a suit and vest, styling hair doing Botox and plucking eyebrows provocatively dressed. The pastor wears a suit is he provocatively dressed. The librarian in a long dress and covered from the neck down may pluck her eyebrows because they are too bushy, how is that provocatively dressed.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you speaking about this thread in particular or the forum in general.