Princess Arabia

Some places got hit hard and some were spared. Due to the mountains and location of the hurricane, some places didn't get that much damage and all i heard of was one life lost which was still one too many.

If you would like for me to make posts about my life what I'm going through, my problems, my living situation and how my love life is going I can do that too. I don't put myself into a category of non-dualist, Absolutist or Denialist. You have. You are also denying certain aspects too by critiquing what i'm posting. Nothing wrong with that, because I welcome critiques as I myself do engage in that, but not as a way of putting down one's style of communicating spirituality in how they chose. I'm not in denial of anything and like I said I can make posts about my personal life of which I do have other threads about stuff other than spirituality. This is just the section for this stuff. How am I denying anything just from making specific posts. That's not denial. How is my post even non-dual talk. I don't even get that. It's merely stating how spiritual gain and material gain have a similar outcome. If you don't agree, then you don't; no need to call me out on what "ist" you think I am and have categorized me to be.

It's all the Absolute.

I don't need to be told what to take in order to achieve something and laughed at and ridiculed because I chose not to. A simple suggestion and leaving it at that will suffice instead of telling the person what you believe they have or have not done and how it's not enough to achieve what you believe I should achieve. I'm glad I made this post so maybe you guys can see how you're thinking your ways are better than another's and how it's still on a materialistic level and a competition to see who can have a better experience.

Yes it does, and a baby does not have desires at an early age. It's body is responding to a certain need. The baby is not desiring it's body is responding to stimulii and is functioning on instinct. I will not address your other responses because I refuse to make excuses for why I posts certain things and needing to give reasons and excuses on a spirituality forum about making posts about spirituality. If I am on a certain train that's not going to where you're headed, there's no need to critique the train I'm on. I'm being respectful in my posts and if youre not agreeing there's no need to say "that's all i post". What if I was to keep harping on you that all your posts are about Sadguru and that's all the videos you ever post. I mentioned it briefly a while back to you and left it alone because thats your prerogative. I shouldn't have to be censored with my views and takes on the matter of spirituality as long as I'm not being harmful or disrespecting anyone else's views. Another "making" my point matter. We tend to have to put other people down who isn't on the same path and with different views and keep referring to their views as a philosophy while theirs is the truth. You guys are just making my point even more and FYI, I have not made a post as this one before and it's the first I've introduced this specific topic.

I don't doubt that, but what you're missing is that this is Absolute; and in the experience there are many paths that one can take to experience whatever, You're stuck on one path and that's because your limited mind cannot imagine any other. It's like the mansion owner telling the rancher that he's missing out on a bigger house and that once he's had the experience of a bigger house, he wouldn't want to go back. You have also made assumptions that all I've done is "know", "analyze" and "read". What gave you that authority to know what I've done or not done, experienced or not experienced. Nothing other than an assumption. Psychedelics i can give you that because I've revealed I haven't done them, but you've assumed everything else. Another presumptive action on your part by saying what you've said without proof.

Making my point again. Spiritual people laugh at others who don't engage in their practices and claim that only certain things can reveal certain things. You guys aren't event realizing how you're making my point even more. Precisely one of the reasons why I even decided to make this post. Keep them coming. Let it reveal itself.

I'm not understanding why you say "trying to avoid" when that's precisely what i'm saying.

Makes no sense. If spiritual goal is to kill the self then what is being used to kill the self. Gaining of a self that is already there to accomplish that material goal is also nonsensical.

The paths are not the same, the outcome is. The thought is what ignited the desire, but the achievement is what gave the desired feeling. You have assumed that spirituality gives enduring peace to everyone and that material gain is always transient. I can also say that providing one can afford to keep getting the materialistic gain they so desire after each initial satisfaction has subsided, they can forever hold that in place also, with maybe only a short span of life's turmoils inbetween and that the peace that comes with spirituality can fluctuate back and forth where one has to keep meditating or whatever they do to keep it in place. You're still not, imo, showing me any differences, only a few that can vary from individual to individual. I don't see, for instance most people on this spiritual forum and even those who do continuous spiritual practices showing signs of lasting contentment and peace. How is one having to do the same practices over and over and over to maintain that peace, lasting peace. No, it's contingent upon keeping those practices afloat. That's not the same as lasting peace.

I would beg to differ and I see it as the opposite. So much so that it did a 360 and came back full circle. Maybe it's the opposers that aren't being indepth enough to see through the differences. This is just a matter of opinion and I respect yours.

These are relative differences and depending on the taste of the individual and also interests. A personal analysis and has nothing to do with the intent of the Absolute/Universe/God/Source. It is still trying to achieve something and it's the mind that makes the distinction between which is more important.

Another credit given to my post where Spiritual beings believe they are enlightening anyone because of a difference of opinion or perspective or belief.

My post was not about bypassing the desiring process. It was to show there is no difference in spiritual desires and materialistic desires. They are one of the same. We can rationalize all we want about why spirituality is better and it goes deeper than materialism, but at the end of the day, there is no ultimate difference. That's what the post is about.

There's nothing is my post that suggests that I'm not aware of the essence of spiritual practices. Maybe it's because I did do intense reflection and do grasp the essence of both why I'm making such claims. What you've done here in your response was to show why a Mercedes is better than a Honda. I also said I wasn't comparing the desire for a car to be the same as the desire to meditate or any spiritual practice. The only reason why you say superficial similarities is because that's how you see it, but not actually how it is. It's a perception. All the reasons you gave why spirituality is not the same, they are all perceptions. The Universe/Absolute/whatever you call it, life doesn't. How can we say it's all one, but then put the One into categories and compartments and departments. The mind does that. You have also turned my post into me saying I don't see beyond the superficial similarities when I was merely stating an observation and never once said that I don't see beyond anything. Maybe I do see beyond the superficiality of buying a car and have raised the bar for materialism while not lowering the Spiritual bar. You have assumed that I don't see the benefit of spiritual practices or that materialism doesn't have a spiritual essence to it. The mind is what differentiates the two, not according to the Absolute oneness of it all. IMO, your response have highlighted the point i was trying to make and have given it much merit.

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Yes, and it is just a perspective and a story like everything else that's been said about the Absolute. I agree, and it's all true depending on who's perceiving.

Yeah, that's who I'm referring to.

Depends on the individual here also. Some are worse off because of expectations, confusion, lack of Spiritual maturity, emotional intelligence and so on. Just as how many lose their lottery winnings because their minds didn't have the container to sustain it, the same can be said for those turning to this lifestyle who lack the maturity to do so. You can find the sameness and differences in both polarities.

I think this can be exhausted also. Some stop trying to attain materialistic goals then turn to spirituality believing they are on a better path, which can be the case, not denying that, but it's still a quest to feel better about things/life. Even if they stop the materialistic seeking and never turn to spirituality they will still be on some form of quest even if it's the search for peace and tranquility.

Exactly. Your whole response was great and I see that you get the drift in what I was trying to relate. It get's overlooked because of how the mind likes to categorize things, which is fine because that's it's nature; but we have to try and step above the logical mind to really see life for what it is.

The only dream is the Individual that thinks it has a life, it's separate from the rest and that it is thinking thoughts and it's ideas about life, reality existence and that it is inside a Universe. Thoughts, ideas, concepts, insights, perceptions etcetc.....that's the dream. "Reality" is alive and kicking. The Absolute is not a dream. IT appears as one dreaming and whatever appears is real. The illusion is not in the appearances, but in the thoughts and ideas about what's appearing; which is dependent on the individual's dream, it's construct and worldviews, perceptions and survival agenda and mechanisms. There is no one seeing anything, hearing anything, speaking or thinking anything. These are only appearances; and the separate self thinks these things are happening to it and it owns everything that arises within it's bubble. It's life happening and talking happening, hearing happening etcetc but for and to no one. That's why it's called a dream.

What's the difference between "mind talk" and "inner talk"?