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I can’t say introverts or extroverts are worse off than each other. Introverts will have to put more effort in to getting their social needs met and when big life changes come and people move it can be harder to find people to socialize with. Extroverts make friends easily but this comes with a lot of drama. Extroverts have as many fallouts as they do friends.

Sales, finance, real estate, law, hospitality, etc. These are more extroverted jobs and usually what more extroverted guys do. Science, math, tech, almost every guy getting funneled into PUA does a job like this.

Don’t judge others

Nick Shirley is a lying maga fool pretending to be a journalist

Well clearly it’s not easy if like half of men are reporting not having sex in the last year. You just said it yourself that you consider yourself pretty decent. I’m talking broadly speaking accounting for every guy and every foundation. Most guys can’t pull and it is difficult for most guys. If you’re not established in a decent city then chances are you ain’t getting any action of course. You basically said “I’m pretty well off so it’s easy lol.” Nah dude most guys today are awful with women an a growing percentage don’t even go outside or talk to them. The guys getting no play of course or black pilling it or taking it to extremes like I said.

Always something with these scientists... every ten years they change something on this shit...

I never did well with a direct approach either, because it's largely robotic and forced. I'm too conscious for that, I can't pretend to be someone else or do something out of alignment with my energy. Everyone is so different, coming from different backgrounds and have various unresolved issues and quirks. There are decent guys teaching this topic but they don't go viral like streamers or influencers who do this stuff. Most PUA products are really expensive too. It's largely a parasitic and exploitative snake oil product. Self help has a shadow side to it with lots of scams and marketing that hypes desperate guys up who want women to validate themselves. I would say transcending PUA and learning to date without it is perhaps the best thing you can do for yourself. You may even still take some lessons from a guy like Owen but it's risky, I'd say given the nature of this site most guys here can discern but just a rando looking for videos on YouTube is the target for being sucked into the marketing funnel and scammed.

The only certainty we get in life is god. Align with this truth, grieve the change, and allow for a new chapter to begin

The truth is relationships and women you want are not a guarantee in life and you aren’t entitled one bit to them. I think the narrative is really off about the whole male loneliness epidemic. Maybe most of these guys don’t have women because they offer nothing in return in a relationship? I think men need to step into their value as being fine as who they are. This PUA and looksmaxxing stuff is largely a distraction from that.

Looksmaxxing is the logical outcome for western incels from a generation that socializes mostly online. Everything has gone hyper x or y because you have to operate from extremes and be functioning at a crazy high percentile to sleep with pretty women in the USA. There is massive hoeflation so now every guy rightfully sees that you have to maximize everything to get results. Tate was about money and now you have streamers about looks. Obviously there is a sustainable balance but it likely means living by that means a trade off in other areas you’ve been priced out of.

There’s some nuance here. I want to try to communicate this as clearly and as simply as possible so everyone can understand me the best. I’m not saying there is anything wrong at wanting to improve at something or to practice and get better at something and get certain needs or desires met. What I’m saying is the intention and reasoning behind it for most men is usually coming from a place of lack or a falsehood about lacking value. “If I suck at getting women, I’m not a real man.” This reasoning which leads most men to PUA is the Achilles heel, it has an unknown long term cost on your soul. Practicing in alignment with this reasoning in extreme cases will make you into a John Anthony. I’m not saying wanting to practice social skills and flirting and romance and getting sex with women is bad or wrong to pursue. I’m saying most men launch their rocket on a faulty foundation in pursuit for it and that’s largely what the manifestation of PUA is. There is few material on this subject that isn’t tainted by PUA corruption. I would say the most truthful way of doing it is usually forging your own path where you pull together a lot of your own material and learn from different teachers but it’s risky. For every one guy who can safely pull the useful stuff from Owen there are another three who will get scammed or corrupted.

This is why I keep saying that PUA is ultimately a loser’s game. What do I mean by that? What I mean by that is that almost every guy including me who got into PUA made the choice to do so because of faulty reasoning, usually around lack, needing to fix some issue about being introverted, etc. Very few if any guy has ever took up PUA aligned with truth. Because of this there is always this faulty crack in the foundation of it which will culminate in some problematic manifestation of it. The closest I believe one can sustainably get to being a natural is dropping PUA entirely and then working on becoming an extroverted introvert. Looking for ways to make socializing fun and actually drawing some value from it. That will open up far more doors long term and sustainably than doing any PUA (which is a massive waste of time for most men). Guys who are naturally very extroverted and decent looking absolutely do have the most sustainable lifestyles when it comes to women but I do believe it’s possible to engineer this yourself as an introvert in a way that serves you well BUT you will have to change your mindset and come to terms on a new way of seeing relating.

I think one thing you got to be careful about and in writing this from my own experience: that as you awaken and become authentic and aligned with spirit that you don’t use that as an excuse or reason to avoid socializing if what you want is to socialize. What I mean by that is if you learn about yourself you don’t really want friends then that’s fine. If you learn you do want friends but then use spirituality to avoid it, this is a contradiction. Purity tests are a sneaky way to try and avoid responsibility for having to socialize. I’ve learned that you can see anyone and everyone as a friend when you go out and even people who at every different. You become very responsible and engaged with the world but there exists a space between all that you ground yourself in so that he worldly issues that come with socializing work themselves out in harmony. I actually like meeting people very different from me. I think as long as you can maintain your values around other people you can relate to just about anyone. Life has a clever way about bringing the right people into your life at the right moment. Trust the flow.

Lonely? Not at all. I’m married and have a few really close friends. I wouldn’t say I’m lonely at all. I get enough social interaction and it’s valuable to me. I don’t have the need to meet lots and lots of people, generally I only need a few in my life. I do grieve that I’m not so close to my parents / family and I didn’t have the ideal childhood that resulted in close relationships with my immediate blood family. I see them once every other year and talk on the phone once a month. I think that’s different though. That is something I grieve sometimes and am accepting.

It can be, because you become more authentic and realize you won’t tolerate games as much which is what a lot of relating is based on. But it’s still possible to socialize and have fun, usually with some distance and less commitment to more superficial relationships.

Of course. I didn’t get a fraction of the sex I could have simply because I realized what a shit life pick up generally is. It’s boring and unsustainable for most men, most guys hype up their results and it’s largely a waste of time. You can do the pick up grind and some guys are extroverted and able to churn out some results for themselves but this isn’t really a good life if you are a spiritual person.

Some of you overestimate the challenges of getting laid. It's only really hard if your foundation is shit and you are sorta autistic and introverted. If you have the wherewithal to go out, get drunk and are extroverted and a little rapey, you can pull horny drunk girls occasionally. Simply being extroverted goes A LONG way with getting laid.

Owen is the only one here worth learning anything from and even him you have to be careful. I do not recommend this “learn form everyone approach.” The line between life changing mistake and reasonable life choice is thinner than you think. It’s crazy to think that there’s guys sending these guys money. They are like parasite, similar to Onlyfans models. And of course there are stupid simps that send them cash and keep them afloat.

Reading Facebook comments on this topic is wild. Holy crap the USA is cooked….

How do you earn money?

Sure do it but don’t let meditation and spirituality become a thing which you use to avoid responsibility and living your life. 20 minutes a day is plenty if you have other responsibilities.

I honestly don’t buy this tech utopia stuff. This is one of their biggest selling points for CEOs to pillage clean water and enrich themselves. “Just give us time, we will sail off into a tech utopia, manifest destiny!” What eveyone has to realize is little fundamentally changes as long as collectively people are unaligned with spirit. No amount of technological progress will change that.

Dude you have got to be more responsible. This is your problem… stop this victim mindset… you are HOMELESS bro. You gotta stop these games and blame and get a job.

Not exactly, I believe political scientists would classify this differently. He’s not a dictator in the sense that he’s now like Putin or Saddam. The USA gov structure was built largely to prevent against this and all things considered it’s still holding up pretty damn well. What we have is this sort of hybrid regime where an authoritarian leader and a bunch of oligarch interests can make a lot of calls and have little accountability, but there exists elections, a free press, large portions of the population still protest, there’s an opposition. We are sort of becoming something similar to Brazil by comparison but still very different. A decayed democracy with authoritarian elements and a pendulum between liberal democracy and a weak yet destructive authoritarian regime. This is not a true dictatorship.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/i-was-able-to-fight-for-myself-woman-comes-forward-after-dating-coach-charged-with-sexual-assault/ Another one catching charges. PUA model has some serious shortcomings to it.