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Dude, Saudi Arabia WILL go after nukes if Iran has them. So will Turkey. Nuclear proliferation. This is the gamble, do more nukes in the region create deterrence? OR a more likely scenario where they get used OR states act cocky and think they can do anything (Russia). Imagine a Nuke'd up Iran. They would fund the shit out of Hezbollah and other proxies and sit back, no one can fuck with them. I see no evidence Iran with nukes will somehow lead to peace. At the same time... here we are in reality and there is tension and fighting... I really don't know what the way forward is with this.

I do not see how arguing for Iran to have nukes makes it better either. This situation is fucked. I see no clear solution forward. Research deep into the ideology and statecraft of Iran. Maybe it sounds dismissive but it's almost silly to suggest Iran with nukes would lead to peace. Their entire state is built on the idea of wiping Israel off the map.

Really? Why? Iran is NOT a country that should have nukes.

I write this as someone who is still working very hard on deconstructing many of my pick up artist beliefs from being associated with the Manosphere since 2016. It’s not worth it. It may seem alluring. It may seem like you are righting some wrong or injustice by adopting these perspectives but it doesn’t work. You will be building your entire relationship belief system on unfairnesses and you will never be happy or find a way to have a fulfilling relationship. It will cloud your ability to even choose someone because you will be trying to control things out of your control and seeing what you want to see until you realize there’s more to it. You will not meet some perfect girl who is a saint and didn’t benefit from all the unfairnesses you hate and you will never be satisfied. You have never seen any of these guys in anything long term for a reason. They aren’t players and most of them suck at socializing and dating, they are attracting equally warped women who further feed their self fulfilling prophecy and in the end you will sabotage your relationship like I have so many times from trying to reach some fairness in this domain of life. I have fucked my life up in so many ways adopting these beliefs, don’t take them on. It may have lead to a lot of sex but also a lot of problems I have created for myself.

Exactly. This is the truth. You cannot build your life on truth if you corrupt it with these energies. It’s like rationalizing drinking one can of Coca Cola a day. It doesn’t sem like much but that one little habit actually affects health more than you realize when reaching super human levels of health, same applies to connection to spirit. These little things are what constantly pull you away from the flow / the Tao. It’s choosing truth and standing by it. He maybe has some insight to share and maybe he will save you getting scammed once or twice if you’re new to dating tricks in Miami but it will come at the cost of your mind being corrupted with negative inherited beliefs that aren’t even yours.

Nah he def has sacrificed the spirit of his work by stooping low to red pill level energy. He went on fresh and fit multiple times. And in his mind he can warp it to believe he is helping men, getting paid big bucks and making good money off lonely guys. All of these guys are a bunch of bastards. They scam incels as much as women do. Red pill vultures have done plenty to scramble for red pill incel bucks, sometimes more than most gold diggers. If you are building a community associating yourself with this stuff, you lack integrity.

This is the issue with red pill guys. They do make good points but they lack integrity and sacrifice it to grow their shit. He milks his social media platform with overpriced consultations. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of life will know no information based session in anything is worth much more than $2-300 an hour, maybe $400. But he’s charging like $1000. On top of that he went on the fresh and fit podcast to build his platform which is pretty damn negative. He makes decent observations about dating and I do agree with him. Modern dating has tilted in a way where women can be far more dishonest and coy than men and take advantage of men more often than women. Do men exploit women? Sure, but it’s the select few with volume and by no means the majority, whereas I’ve found women can definitely manipulate men more. I’m open to this being my bias. I’ve just seen and heard far to much to know this is true, evidence being the very existence of red pill. Red pill exists in this modern world due to the imbalance women now indulge in, but I don’t think it’s an excuse to go bitter and grind axes. The way out isn’t grinding axes and I think this stuff makes life so ugly. Even I will choose to go down these ugly rabbit holes due to the familiarity and perceived sense of injustice the inner child / ego so wishes to hold onto. Basically, if you wanna make yourself angry at life fixate on dating unfairnesses. If you wanna be happy, just accept shit is fucked and harder for men and make peace with that and smile and move forward trying your best. Simple as that.

Dude go out more and work on your life then rethink what you wrote here. If you don’t have a thriving business / LP, a hot girlfriend and cool shit going on in your life you don’t have room to talk about this stuff. Make shit happen and do it the best then you will understand why it exists.

I'm not entirely following the conversation since I haven't really fleshed out my understanding and experiences so clearly into these categories, but I think what he is speaking about is the pure magic and gold you find as you walk the spiritual path and allow this process to unfold with more and more love. I remember doing some meditating while following YouTube videos made by neo-advaita teachers and I find it sort of dry and disabled. It's not enjoyable. It's missing something I really awakened to that was right in front of me that a mentor of mine showed me through inner child / Taoist self inquiry, which is the pure magic and potential that is alway going up, this inherent value one has, like a never ending firework and a gift bestowed upon by oneself for being nothing short of a pure miracle. It's profound and it really sets a fire under my feet to live life fully and embrace my human side while remaining curious about the spirit. My life started going better after this and I started to really understand the law of attraction and started manifesting more and more, and I'm still growing here like I'm seeing things just unfold for the best. I never really found this through those dry meditations where the teacher is like "there is no you", dry bland meditations that did not lead me to True Value.

I think it’s just a bit of fomo, cause I love beautiful women and am a bit greedy, I would just enjoy the freedom to eo what I want here but of course only on my end, cause I’d not ever cuck myself. It’s not realistic so I don’t ask for it. She pushes me to my max to grow and is very good for me. I’ve actually noticed my swagger comes back some when I put energy into it. I think I’ve kinda let it go to the side myself by just getting lazy. She’s very much in the same path as me and really pushes me to do my life purpose which is unfolding beautifully for me, I’m making huge progress and growth in it. I think keeping the passion is just a bit of a challenge. I am glad I’m committing but I do also panic a bit and have a bit of fomo cause i don’t know how any guy wouldn’t with all the beautiful women out there. I don’t want another girlfriend or to be intimate with anyone else or build a new relationship I just want the thrill of other women and to see myself as free to do what I want

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Iran with nukes would mean Israel would be fucked, at the same time I’m not sure I support Iran having nukes is a good idea. Read about their world view.

Yeah, the hell if I know. Same with me! Our family is so close to us. We kinda learn how to press each other’s buttons.

I’ll try to state what I’m saying without hyperbole and extremes. I don’t have much skin in this game. I don’t sell courses or knowledge products like him. It’s just funny to me cause from my observation I’ve seen coaches in these spaces make compelling arguments for their respective sides: money / status / fitness vs social skills / body language / charisma and both do not have any incentive to be truly honest about what works or how this whole domain of life works. Everyone’s teaching on it is somewhat incomplete. Owen is not someone I would entirely believe everything he says. It’s like when you have this idea of how good someone is at what they do or how it is and then you meet your hero and you realize you were making it more special in your own mind. He’s loaded, he can throw mansion parties. There was a point he even started to pivot to mansion / social medie game briefly on YouTube because the market seemed to be wanting information on this, but I guess he’s now back to raw social skill? I’m not entirely familiar with his system or belief system or what he is selling these days.

Sólipsist - people who adamantly say only solipsism is possible in infinity

This issue I see here is that Owen claims that social skill and tenacity and charisma will beat money and physique every time, but the funny thing is on the other side I see coaches saying that money and physique will beat social skill, and tenacity every time in the long run. In fact a lot of those other social coaches will talk about how you don’t even have to go out, just build money and your physique and women will come to you… So you gotta realize that both of these groups want to sell you a course and at the end of the day, they’re gonna believe to a fault that their own system and world view because doubting it means they don’t have a product. They are just selling you beliefs. In reality you have to find what works for you and is authentic for you, inner wisdom. My belief is that the kingdom within is the guidance you need to authentically live and fulfill your desires in a way aligned with the universe. Where you are at peace, always, even during storms. If you are exceptionally in shape and you have a world class body, then play that up if it works for you and is in your flow. Do the same if it is money and you know how to leverage that, same with charisma. Go out a lot and talk to people and talk to women. It’s about finding what’s authentic for you and works best for you. I found my girlfriend by working on my social skills a bit but mostly by clearing beliefs that kept me feeling chronically nervous and afraid of being left. So just by clearing your mental health you can attract beautiful women.

He just has shitty physique and is too lazy or doesn’t have energy to change it, so this is how he copes. I’ve felt this way before too where I didn’t want to bust my ass in the gym because the pay off isn’t always great for dating. It’s true, don’t expect tons of gym training to suddenly make you top tier in meeting women. He knows to play up his business, money, lifestyle and tenacity because it goes farther for him and for most men who aren’t athletic. If you have good genetics and physique it definitely is a foundation most people don’t realize helps them a lot. You can sidestep this somewhat though if you are picking up girls in nightlife and have cash to make yourself stand out, or are relatively cultured and socialized. I do think he is right, training isn’t a cure all for a bad dating life. It should be done for the foundation of an overall good life, absolutely. I think there is a a high tier barrier though to really drawing in large volumes of the best pussy which is being in exceptional shape. A lot of the most beautiful women have really gotten on the wellness trends and want to meet a guy from their run club or whatever. If you want to date an instagram only fans model being in great shape helps a lot on top of being rich. I think a lot of really beautiful women also gravitate to beaches which being in good shape helps a ton if you are in a place like Miami. So I think it’s holistic, getting ripped is somewhat important if you want to live in a cool warm beach place or you gotta be loaded

Todd is the only person I ever spent money on for pick up information, back in 2018. It definitely felt overpriced and scammy. I would not help him. He got what he deserved from this and needs to let this shit go. RSD doesn’t even exist anymore.

Crazy how much drama came from RSD. 20% decent info 80% a scam. This is like being transported back to 2017 and hearing how a coach got fired.

Pick up / RSD community drama in 2025…. have I taken a time machine back to like 2017?

Yeah, I do agree. I think at the end of the day I try to just enjoy what I have and not put labels on it and model it too much. If a relationship is going well, don't sabotage it and just let it be. I think it's interesting to think about this stuff but at the end of the day just try the best for ourselves. I just don't want to see men or women used by some shady people out there who want to have their cake and eat it too. Both men and women have to be careful who they choose.

One thing I want to say is I try to hold these concepts loosely and not take them too seriously. Alpha and beta aren't exactly the nicest labels and they are very much open for interpretation. A lot of strange discussions in here where it seems like everyone is talking past each other and trying to make a different point. I have noticed that women, not all, but a decent % will sleep around and then come their late 20s to early 30s will get serious and definitely start being more conservative with their sexuality. The irony here is that basically the men who then get her now are having a woman who has slept a lot around, and what makes a woman sexually special to a man is her being exclusive. Of all the men who tried to get her, it was only you and maybe a select other few that could. This is a punch in the gut, men do NOT want a woman that lots of other men had. It ruins the intimacy and takes what is special about her away for men. "Alphas" basically have first dibs at this and get it quickly and a lot of it. So when it comes time to settle down you can usually assume a woman who is hitting that special age, has a lot of bodies if she is showing all the red flags for it. I've noticed basically there are women who aren't so sexual who seem to just not sleep around so much, and then those who shacked up early and got married early or were in a few really long term relationships, rare because of the heartbreak, most people don't have it in them to go through a massive break up like that multiple times. So naturally you can see the oil split from the water and there is more oil than water... You can assume about 50-70% of the time a woman that has been partying and is in her late 20s has easily hit a body count of 25+ guys. This is not nice for men!! Most men do not wants that. And I feel bad for the sorry guys who have been warped to think that shit is acceptable. I can barely accept this myself but it's also important to see past this and see how the woman has matured. Some actually mature and do make for a good partner but some stay stuck in their party faze and just rack up more and more bodies, I noticed these are the one who find a guy to manipulate most instead of seek a better partnership.

The fact that Israel is given a pass by so many people for its make believe story about how the land was promised to Jews thousands of years ago by the Bible is criminal.

Lmao bro…. LMAOOOOO 🤡 Israel hasn’t even existed for a single century……

Women by and large give it to men that in their mind they would want to rope into commitment or they see on a subconscious level as a provider / partner. This is inseparable from female sexuality. It’s simply not in women’s nature to ever consider sex with a man where on some deeper level they see him as weak or unworthy of mating with. This does not apply to men who are programmed to fuck every women, just fuck. Cause they are competing with other men and need to get their seed in as many as possible, their sperm race to the finish line. This is why women that sleep around are such a turn off. What women eventually learn and mature into is that they are hitting above their weight and they come back down after getting ran through by guys who are the prize. What turns them on and they desire isn’t always what they end up committing and setting to because the prize they were chasing had so many more options than them and wasn’t willing to throw that away. I think this is why you gotta be careful who you settle with. Is she basically desperate to settle down after giving it out to a bunch of guys she should of been more careful with or is she catching her prize? Women definitely adjust their standards. It’s why they will then say “I never would have dated this guy when I was younger.” It’s not the same as men saying it which usually means a more beautiful woman due to wealth and statues they acquired, for women it usually means a man that is more agreeable.