Lyubov

Fair enough, I completely disagree with you and I believe you will be remembered as an ethnic cleanser, not too different from Nazis or the conquest of the Americas in the history books, but I could be wrong, and you are entitled to your beliefs and what you think should happen. I will not try to change your mind.

1) You are right, there was no modern state of Palestine there, how countries and self determination are understood today was still forming then. The land was controlled by the British and then the Ottoman empire, but had native indigenous people (Palestinians) as the majority living on the land, since the roman empire. There even were indigenous jews who were a minority there and whose lineage went back to the roman empire. These are not to be confused with zionist jews who were Eastern European jews (Ashkenazi Jews) removed from Palestine by 2000 years, their entire lineage is based outside Palestine for 2000 years, 1000 in Europe alone. In what reasonable modern world does that give them a right to Palestine because their book tells them so? European refugees from WWII moved there during the Holocaust and Israel was largely allowed to stay due to pity from Truman and Russia as well as having a newly established ally state there after the British left. There are a lot of jews in the USA to lobby the US government foreign policy, that is democracy. I think it's pretty clear that the forming of a nation state is accepted and indigenous people have the right to determination if their history goes back thousands of years on a land. I do not see how modern European Jews can make a claim to land they are removed from by hundreds of generations. Since Israel was formed, jews from all over the middle east and world have since immigrated so it isn't just Ashkenazi Jews now. Some Arabs maybe are fine with living under Israel, there are millions in Gaza and the west bank who aren't and want to return to the land taken from them. 2) Arab countries then did not accept the UN resolution and Israel because it was freshly stolen land. Why would they negotiate with people who clearly took their land? Why should they yield? Time has changed things since then so totally dismantling and getting rid of Israel is not feasible now. And relations with Jordan and Egypt helped move towards a two state solution but the powerful 10%+ of radical nationalists in Israel do not allow for this to occur. They kill any politicians that come to the table. 3) Again, Arab leaders did not want their land divided, they were under no obligation to just allow territory of theirs carved off. Do I think there could of been a more welcoming stance towards refugees and a protection of minorities under Arab rule there? Sure. 4) Ok, now west bank, east Jerusalem, Golan heights and all other territories, plus the dismantling of the system/blockade that has made gaza and these Palestinian places an open air prison

I've picked this book back up. It's somewhat myopic and definitely not what I would call an integrative or holistic perspective. The author has an "us vs them" mentality which to me is a perspective that is not how I choose to consciously live. I can see it being controversial for it's time. This perspective is raw and cuts out the fairytale aspect to love and relationships. Traditional values still persists today and so do perspectives and ideals around them. I so far agree that men and women are different and most women have a survival strategy and ambition that is about creating a family. I'll write my final thoughts when I finish it.

I agree with you, and it’s why I am not someone who is entirely un empathetic to how Israel came to be. I realize we were attacked then and a lot of us only saw what is now Israel as a way to survive. So I’m not saying death and destruction to Israel. But I am saying the country needs to come to terms with the lies and ridiculous story it has told to justify ethnically cleanings another group of people and actively dismantle settlements and come to a new agreement to return land which makes a two state solution possible.

I believe also that women have it much easier when it comes to dating in a certain way. I am not disregarding the nuance of this dimension of life however and do know women face many challenges as well. I've had this discussion a lot with my ex and I could see that from her perspective as a pretty girl, she has put zero effort into actually understanding the opposite sex, very minimal compared to what most men have to do to make themselves competitive in dating. I know perspective matters a lot here so some of my wording may not be agreeable for all of you. It's just what I've noticed. If you are a cute girl you have a ton of options, no guarantee any of them will lead to committing, or be the one you wish would commit. I don't really have any advice for women. I only wish many of them would take the time to understand men a bit more, but this is not something women usually spend time doing. You would be very hard pressed to find a beautiful woman who actually wanted to understand her man, very rare quality in a woman who does this.

Israel: A country founded on the belief that European refugees who suffered genocide and ethnic cleansing during WWII now have the right to build a state and commit genocide and ethnic cleansing because their magic book says they can. You have to throw out all rational and reasonable interpretations of history to wrap your mind around the ethos and reasoning behind the existence of the state of Israel. Keep in mind I'm not even saying Israel shouldn't exist. But the narrative behind the existence of this state needs to be actively corrected for it's complete and total lies and bullshit it's founded upon. Countries like the USA are actively going through this transition now and are aligning more with truth. Israel needs to do the same.

Dude, stop projecting. Every jew like you wants to cry victim and claim antisemitism the moment you guys are held accountable for your ethnic cleansing in Palestine. The entire community is steeped in this victim level thinking, zero responsiblity, just wanting to cry about being persecuted and not looking at any reasons why they are in the situation they are in. No dude, I do not self hate that I am jewish and none of my identity is wrapped up in rejecting judaism nor is it associated with any issues from relatives mistreating me. In fact I cherish my American-Jewish roots and loved every moment associated with them growing up. I do not associate persecution with judaism which is what most Jews do. I don't like that I have to explain sometimes to people that I don't support Israel and bombing kids and killing thousands upon thousands of civilians and ethnically cleaning stolen land like the IDF has been doing shamelessly since the 1940s. but I suppose this is what a lot of Arabs/Muslims went through after 9/11, having to explain not all Muslims support blowing up buildings and killing civilians. A lot of Russians who left their country I've spoken to are tired of having to explain themselves even though they don't support their war. I guess I have Israel to thank for that but it is what it is. You are so lost in delusion you are not worth having a lengthy discussion with. I'm honestly surprised you found your way to this community. You believe you are entitled to steal land and ethnically cleans people from it who inhabited it longer than you by over a thousand years because your bible says you can. Just mirroring back your belief to you. I'm happy I was born Jewish, it's opened many doors for me. Thank god I wasn't born in Palestine on stolen land now called Israel though.

You are correct. There was British colonizers there and before that the Ottoman Empire which shared a closer ideological, ethnic and religious heritage to the indigenous people of that land (Palestinians). Many ethnic groups at that time had not yet formed nation states and were not understood in the same way they are today or looked at in the same way they are today. Just as the native Americans had not developed institutions or nations which governed clear geographical line on maps. it doesn’t change the fact Arabs indigenously inhabited the region since the 7th century and were the majority. Many different ethnic groups lived on that land, there even were indigenous Jews there not from Europe who had every right to be there. But this is all apart from European zionists who built a state there because their silly book says their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago, they did it under British rule and then forced the British out by committing terrorist acts and gaining sympathy from Truman who felt bad about what happened in WWII, he also saw it as a strategic opportunity in the Middle East to have a country much closer to the USA, which at the time Arab countries were much further diplomatically, still are .

You think you’re being honest when you try to play the subjectivity card? How about I shoot your family and say it’s subjective what just happened? I’m not yielding ground to your lunatic argument. I know Jews too. Everything is pragmatic and sensible about the way we think expect this delusional fairytale claim to this land. There was a place called the kingdom of Israel before the Roman Empire. It would not be remotely understood today as what we call a nation. I can’t believe this is even considered a valid point of evidence in this discussion. Why not colonize and create a Jewish state in Africa, don’t we all have roots going back to Ethiopia 300,000 years ago? Why would Arabs accept a proposal for land they seen as stolen. It’s like you coming into my house and taking one of my rooms, squatting and then to prevent things from getting violent you wish to force some legal ruling. The whole claim to the land Israel is built on exists outside any sort of reasonable legal framework or school of thought or rational minded thinking. What Israel has done has nothing to do with morality: it has to do with survival.

I also do not support deconstructing or the destruction of Israel. That would equally cause a huge humanitarian crisis. But resolving this problem in the Middle East can not happen until Israel is honest and awakens from this denial and dishonesty that is the story behind the founding of their state. It’s a ridiculous stretch of the truth, it’s a lie. No reasonable or honest mind can justify the story behind Israel, I can’t educate you on it here. Just read any “history of the Middle East” text book from a university that isn’t inside Israel. to solve this issue - Israel needs to come out of this delusisonal story they’ve spun to justify their state - all USA militarily funding must be cut including defense - Israel will be forced to come to the bargaining table - land back and all settlements demolished - defensive structures can be built and there can be a treaty to protect Israel if they are attacked, but only after West Bank is returned and all territory that as been gained since 1947, obviously this can be applied flexibly if there needs to be some exceptions.

I’m sorry but it’s this victim mindset that has poisoned our people’s psyche for ages now. My great grandpa killed himself in captivity in Berlin. I know we were treated horribly. I know it was terrible what my family went through. But I value truth above all else. And I’m not going to spin some bullshit story and think me as a white European has claim to some land because some distant diaspora tale from some magical bible book says I do. It’s pure madness. You really believe because some European Jews interpreted their holy book saying they have the right to land FROM ROMAN TIMES 2000+ years ago that it’s ok to go in and remove the people who have indigenously lived there for over 2000 years? It’s pure madness and a massive lie. To live as an Israeli and believe this is to live a lie and I don’t live lies. At least countries like the USA and Brazil are coming clean and being honest about the ethnic cleansing and don’t spin some story about it. They have owned up to it and don’t have to create a mythos that literally no other country on earth has to in order justify the creation of a state. The only reason Israel continues to survive is because of the backing of the USA and that’s because it’s strategically an incredibly important point of interest for the USA. Also no captain from Hamas there would exterminate me because I’m not colonizing their land and where I reside now I am perfectly legal and understood as an honest inhabitant of where I’m living. I’ve not deprived anyone of their home. I would also not hide behind platitudes and ad hocs on subjectivity. Many Israelis actively believe in Zionism and are taught a ridiculous fairytale about why they are entitled to occupy the land they currently live on. Zionism is very much alive and well. Please share your position. why do you believe a state can be built by refugees from WWII on land that had indigenous inhabitants on it that lived there going back 2000 years, up until the 1940s, just 80 years ago?

I have no problems with being Jewish. I have a problem with Israel. Why do Zionist Israelis think they can speak for the entirety of judaism? What’s worse is I have to now look over my shoulder because of them due to their genocide.

I would not hide behind subjectivity if I were you. If I came over to your house and kicked you out, killed one of your kids and then claimed I had the right to because 2000 years ago in my magical book it says my people lived here, I can tell you now that is dishonesty not subjectivity and you would know how dishonest this is. History will not be on your side here.

There is no country on earth with a bigger bullshit story for its justification and existence than Israel. They even surpass those Russian enclaves and break away states in former Soviet Union countries, and trust me those places have some ridiculous bullshit justifying them. White Europeans think they are entitled to that land because their magical bible book says they are cause people 2000+ years removed from them once lived there.

Brother I’m Jewish. My grandma was sexually assaulted by Nazis. I have German citizenship due to restoration laws. I’m probably the most open minded non biased Jew there is. I applied for Israel citizenship then withdrew my application as soon as I researched the history. Israel has the biggest joke of a justification for its history based on complete and total victim mindset, colonialism and make believe history.

How can you rationalize that land belongs to you because your ancestors removed by 2000+ years had a place called the kingdom of Israel there, not even understood in the same sense we frame countries and people today. It’s pure delusion.

You have a really people pleasing attitude towards this. It’s not her right to tell you what to do but also at the same time honest communication is key and she may not want to be in a relationship with someone who uses these substances. I don’t like girls who use stuff much. So I think if you want the relationship to work you both have to communicate honestly between you both. You may not want to agree with her requests though. Maybe you want to use these substances and you have every right to. Keep in mind she has every right to want to be around someone who doesn’t. You have to come to some middle ground or agreement and keep the honest communication going.

According to the ZoG definition in the book “the big leap” it’s not defined as that at all. It’s defined at what makes you super passionate and when you’re doing it, it doesn’t feel like work, unique talents and abilities. It’s not always too hard to get on the path towards your Zog. Just ask yourself what part of any tasks you do is fun and doesn’t feel like work. If you can’t provide an answer you need to try more things or work on resolving inner issues to gain more clarity. When I was like 16-21 I had no idea what my ZoG was cause all I did was play video games and sit on message boards discussing them. I would make graphics arts and loved it but would deny myself this talent. I realized as I’ve grown I love to make art and tell stories. I’m now into videos.

Dude your perspectives suck. We are so blessed to be here.

yes, i agree, but it's not a drastic difference at least in more metropolitan, sexually liberal cities. Safety is maybe the first thing and then it is not wanting to see themselves as a slut / easy as second. Apart from those two hang ups sex isn't that big of a deal for women and used often as a bargaining chip / leverage initially and throughout the relationship. In privacy many girls will act like major hoes and you'll never know, just even by looking at them or even by their lifestyle. I've met totally introverted girls who don't party who are hooking up with several new guys a week for periods of time. Found out from other girls spilling the tea on their friends. Girls in general are no angles on this topic and they hide it out of fear.

Israel isn't a good example of a democracy. You ain't a democracy if you build an ethno state and ethnically clean the land of natives. It's like how Trump people think their ideology is democracy, demonize and clean the other side, then have everyone who agrees with each other vote.

This election is going to be so damn close, maybe the closest in history? Could be similar to Bush/Gore?

Thugging it out. One week down. It’s gotten better.

My experience as well. Women will only create these boundaries if they don’t really like you or want to sleep with you and it’s uncommon for her to flip on them once they are there. It even comes down to the date. A dinner date for example, one that a girl insists on, it is a sign she ain’t that horny. Horny girls will meet you on the street at night if they like you. Just screen for that. And from my experience if you ain’t finding girls like this in your screen it means you need to work on things that make you attractive. The raw “game” skills are actually quality limited and not complicated at all if you 1) know how to screen 2) are relatively attractive in an area with women you are attracted to 3) know how to just shut up and get out of your own way and not fuck it up or overthink it. I don’t even bother with restaurant dates anymore if I haven’t slept with a woman. Just take them to the beach or a bar and you will know your answer in the first 30 minutes if she wants to sleep with you.

I agree sex isn’t as a big of deal for women as it’s understood by most men, but I do think on average they take it a bit more seriously and take on more physical risks which they are aware of, the dynamic which most women have sex also makes it so that they also tend to get a little more quickly attached and fall in love quicker than the man. I’m not sure I entirely agree with this but generally women will go after men they see as above their pay grade on the dating chart in their mind while men date women at their pay grade or down in their mind. So it sets it up so the woman has more invested in it in her expectations than the man, at first. So you see a lot of women this make a big deal after sex when it doesn’t work out, cause to them they lost an opportunity.