Lyubov

Do you believe it’s true or false that sahdguru has ever told a lie, big or small before? I can assure you the man has probably lied once before in his life. Humans make the mistake of lying. If anything it is managing the expectations of painting these gurus as perfect saints. Half of them made the same damn mistakes you have, if not worse.

I’m dismissive of these experiences since I find the mystical aspect pure distraction in garnering true wisdom. What do you mean by dark? Wicked? He looked scary and you didn’t like it? You created a fear based emotions. YOU, because it’s your trip. And now you project that painful emotion onto him? Specifically list what sahdguru has done in reality that is wrong. Not a feeling or dreamlike vision of him looking scary in your trip or mumbo jumbo about the astral. You basically are saying he is being dishonest and lying. Ok, what is he being specifically dishonest and lying about? What assumptions have YOU made about him after seeing some YouTube videos about him smiling. What has he lied about? Tell me clearly. Don’t distract with astral dreamlike state but bring it into material reality where life unfolds. Maybe he did kill his wife? How? I have no evidence to prove or disprove it myself. All I can do is live for myself and go off what I know is true in any moment and readjust when the facts change or new ones present themselves. ive stated my stance clearly in this thread I do not believe a person can be “more conscious.” It is bullshit in truth and not an accurate notion of how consciousness works, even these words don’t do justice to explaining this. I said I believe he is a nice guy who makes YouTube videos and shares some interesting beliefs and thoughts on spirituality. Just believe. I don’t know him. I can not attest to how honest he is in actuality since I do not have a relationship with him. I don’t have any expectations for his character. It sounds to me you are awakening to the fact that people like shadguru are just people with their own mistakes and character faults and because this doesn’t align with the YouTube sainthood image he has created that you fill in the unknowns about who he actually is as a person with your fears based emotions and symbolism. This is why guru culture is crap. Don’t follow gurus people

what you mean by evil?

Why don’t we have some armed militants come to where you and your family lived for 100s of years, kick you out, and then you can tell us?

I do agree we shouldn’t keep digging into the past but the entire existence of Israel is based on a fairytale about some promised land from the past. It would be one thing if Israel recognized the majority of their land is stolen and that could open up a dialogue to address the present issue. But Israel actively justifies and spins a fairytale to actively justify they stole almost their entire country. How can you ever forge an agreement with such liars? It’s not possible to make agreement with liars.

This is true. Jews now have a majority there. Through stolen land and colonialism. What to do about it? I have no clue.

I’m not validating your fairytale lies. It is unequivocally false that Israel existed before the 1940s and was created off a fairytale and out of pity due to WWII. Truman signed it into existence cause he wanted a strategic outpost for the USA in the Middle East and he felt bad about what happened to the Jews during WWII. It was Ottoman Empire Muslim territory which had Arab natives living there as a majority since after the Roman Empire for over a thousand years ago. The people you base your fairytale on are not remotely close to or would be understood as the people who live in Israel today (Europeans). The only reason I believe your country should stay is because it would be wrong to move Israel citizens. But it’s time your country to recognize you are thieves, all settlements must be disbanded. And Israel needs to be brought to the peace table by cutting defense funding for the country. Any territory not deemed crucially strategic to Israel survival must be returned.

The last time Jews had any majority in that region was before the Roman Empire. That’s literally how ridiculous your fairytale is for the existence of your country.

And thus we have forever wars now there

I’m sorry it was longer ago than 800 years ago. Jews haven’t actually ruled that land since BCE. It’s been contested and been through all sorts of conquests since and it’s the most ridiculous fairytale to claim that somehow it’s your land. The people there have twisted the most ridiculous story and they really have convinced half the world that they were natives there. Not even close by any measure of the standard that we use to define ethnic groups and natives to lands.

Jews were a minority there for hundreds upon hundreds of years. You have more in common genetically with Eastern Europeans than the Jews that lived in Palestine. You have a fairytale from the Torah called the kingdom of Israel and it existed in 1000 BCE. Just because you kinda sorta have some folks who share your religion living as a minority there doesn’t mean you can invite everyone from Europe over to displace the locals who have lived there for hundreds of years and build a make believe country.

Iran is easily contained. I don’t deny states with resources and fundamentalist worldviews tend to turn towards conquest. I’m not trying to pain Iran as some saint that is above what Israel is doing. But that doesn’t excuse Israel and their constant undermining. It’s difficult to even argue in Israel’s favor except for the fact of creating a huge humanitarian crisis by moving all those people. And Israelis think Gaza is supposed to move all those people to Europe and other Arab countries. Insane what these people believe.

Israel didn’t exist until the 1940s and before that it was a colonial refugee camp backed by the British Empire. It’s Europeans who kinda have distant ancestors that lived there over 800 years ago. Israel is the one ethnically cleansing the region of the natives.

The thing is they are dangerous to Israel because of Israel’s colonialism and breaking the two state solution. Iran I don’t think is inherently dangerous if Israel actually sowed for peace and spent decades actually trying to normalize relations like they did with Egypt and Jordan. So yes Iran is now a huge threat to Israel but why you think that is?

Sure, and I’m not saying Sahdguru hasn’t done some really helpful things for people and the planet. I like him. I just don’t take part in this dynamic, no need to give my power away like that.

I think the Hindu guru dynamic specifically emphasizes hierarchy though and I’ve not found that necessary or even helpful in spirituality.

The Israelis that live in all those settlements too are radical as all hell. You got to be kinda crazy to basically set your house up on "no man's land" in the sense of it being basically where a ground war will be fought. A more centrist cabinet couldn't move those people if they tried.

Thank you! I would hope that just my honesty and integrity and the entertainment value of my videos would help me find my audience who appreciate what I am creating. I'm hoping the value I could provide in terms of monetization would be through 1) youtube ads 2) special newsletter and videos through Patreon 3) consultation services for people who want to talk to me 1 on 1. What do you think?

It's neither here nor there for me. I try not to draw these comparisons about people when it comes to spirituality. If he says some things that help your journey or seeking, more power to you. I like some of his YouTube videos but I definitely would not create a hierarchy of this facet, guru culture is based around it and from my point of view it leads to power imbalances and brainwashing like you said.

this flooding will affect the election, NC is a swing state. wonder what this means for voting.

What in the hell is going to happen... Tired of this old ass shit fucking catching up to us. When will this shit end and peace return to the land.

I definitely agree, Hindu dogma and tradition creates a hierarchy that can easily create these social situations where abuse/exploitation can occur. Do I think this is some bomb shell? No. Is it possible Someone in Isha could step on the wrong toes of powerful people that causes this? Sure. It could be any number of things. I'm not holding my breathe for controversy but I'm not surprised. Just because you are being honest and running an charity organization built on honesty doesn't mean there may be one or two employees who are dishonest and bring about some issue like this. You see corporations get raided and subpoenaed all the time. It's time we recognize that large organizations based on spirituality that deal with money and memberships will face the same issues sometimes due to any number of miscommunications or even corruptions. We have ridiculous purity tests for these gurus and organizations. Sahdguru is not above you or anyone, stop this "he's more conscious" bullshit.

I don’t believe suffering is something you liberate yourself from. It is something you choose to create. So stop it. Suffering is an illusive word that makes it difficult for western thinking to understand what is actually unfolding. Suffering is an emotion that you create because of the belief system you have. So yes it is possible to no longer create painful emotions depending in your point of view. In terms of ending physical pain and all the challenges that come in life? That will not ever end as long as you have a body. Quite simply because of this and it isn’t too difficult to reason why or understand why. Your body is always changing and so is your life. Quite natural. This change means constant change in action and adaptability, in order to navigate it. Refusing to change or sticking with the familiar is what keeps us in one place and often times leads to most of our problems. You have to get up and work on yourself, run and exercise to keep healthy, manage your money and of course make time for what you love to do and for what you wish to create with this life. So I would ask why do you have to create a painful emotion for yourself in this process? Couldn’t you just accept change, everything changes, and then ride that wave to what you desire? Why does a painful emotion or self doubt or believing one is not whole is necessary, even in the most challenging of time? So yes in this regard even in the most dire situation you don’t have to create disharmony and suffering but no, challenges and change will always be here as long as you’re alive.

They are an Easter egg. Let’s ask everyone who has died though to confirm? I’ll see you at the graveyard and we can ask there death is the ultimate acceptance of the unknown. The event horizon.

Oh god they are going in. This is going to greatly affect the USA as well.