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sure, of course. but I definitely see a way to balance both, I don't think there isn't room for spirituality even in very dire survival situations. If anything it can help with survival in terms of clear thinking, balance and moving forward in the best way possible. This line of thinking seems to go too far to one of the extremes. there's always room for spirituality even if survival is what truly needs attention at the moment.

Very good point and I completely agree, balance is key here. I don’t see how cultivating soul though, following intuition, passion and higher guidance, comes after survival. I believe both spirituality and attracting financial wellbeing, building pragmatic skillsets, can all grow together, not one in front of the other but all at once in balance. It just seems like Scott misses this other spiritual part. I’m not saying ignore all pragmatism but what is pragmatism with out the drive of passion behind it?

I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense. From a certain perspective it’s a good idea and for some people if they believe that is right for them then go for it. I thought what we are doing here though is cultivating our connection to soul which is what is true. Being true and authentic. Not purely strategic / survival minded about money because we believe money guarantees safety (tell that to Kobe Bryant who died a multi millionaire in a helicopter crash). I’m not a expert on what Scott believes but a lot of what I heard from him is based largely around avoiding hardships in life and gaining relationship opportunities via financial abundance. Following a skill set that you are good at and that is currently economically viable (not everyone has at first, evident talents that are economically viable), but then ignoring your intuition and higher guidance which says “this isn’t actually what I want, there’s something else I’m actually passionate about and that is truly my life purpose.” Is this good life advice if we are wanting to live true lives? Does one value truth if their whole world view is based around a strategic money plan that is in place largely due to fear of lacking relationships and experiencing hardships? The man owns many houses and is rich as shit? He half handedly doubts, all be it in a respectful way, 50k euro a year European model which many of those countries have some of the highest levels of happiness and fulfillment. I see his point of view and from a perspective he is realistic about hardships. I don’t disagree that there are hardships in life and there is a place for natural strategic thinking, I don’t know. I think his path looks like it’s paved with good intentions that will lead to a more fulfilling and happy life but I have serious doubts about that, from a Wall Street guy I don’t know. He seems very sensible, much more so than the average Wall Street / tech guy but the core of his teaching I think is still based around living according to fear and avoiding pain rather than following intuition and truth. And I’m not saying working in a bank or finance or sciences doesn’t have its place or may be the truthful for many people but if that’s one’s true calling then follow that, but just picking it solely based off of fear around not having a relationship or money to thrive with several mansions and $100 million. I don’t know. Maybe I’m not making sense if someone doesn’t know what they want to do, I would invite them to do self inquiry and discover higher guidance within, try new things, follow passion. He says not to follow passion. FOLLOWING YOUR FUCKING PASSIONS IS PRECISELY WHAT BRINGS CLARITY AND CLEARS UP NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO! Maybe following passion one discovers their natural talents and gifts are not currently economically viable, or they are, maybe they need some more expanding and to bring in more skills. I’ve found most people’s natural talents and gifts are their passions. Maybe this is just a game of words and most people don’t try enough stuff and haven’t done enough self inquiry so they think because they enjoy playing piano as a hobby that it’s their passion. Passion is the feeling of joy being connected to truth and oneness, not the enjoyment of some hobby.

I personally like George’s use of falsehood. My dad was not always a very nice guy either. Classic closed off 50s boomer. He was very unsupportive closed off. I wouldn’t call the mistreatment and lack of support falsehood. I think the beliefs we form from it are though. We believe we are not whole, are not divine, the core of it is basically “I’m not good enough, there’s something wrong with me, I’m not whole” so in a way the suffering we are experiencing is based on a lie. Not that we weren’t mistreated but the world view we formed around it. I don’t think anyone denies that it’s possible to mistreat another person. I think the false hood though is what we then claim that miss treatment means. It’s impossible to be a victim.

We are living in a de facto one state reality. Israel is a Jewish state first and foremost. They can only keep the loud part quiet and ethnically cleanse the place. In Israel democracy comes second. It’s a joke. The democracy is for the Jews in the country not other ethnicities on the territory.

The thing is though strategically and geographically speaking Israel is painted into a corner. There is no way they will ever let up in terms of the geography they control that technically isn’t recognized as a part of their country by the UN. A large part of their state building even hinges on having these territories and maintaining them for strategic purposes. There’s no way they will cede land. A two state solution borders on impossible in my point of view. How can you have a independent state geographically located inside and controlled by a stronger more powerful state? Really the best the West Bank can hope for is some sort of autonomous region integrated into the Israel state geographic integrity. It’s the only solution I see. In what world will territorial divisions solve this.

This is spot on. The lower self sees it as losing control but that’s not it at all. It’s just another label by the lower self to stay in the familiar, integration of this is seeing this expansion is true control, inherently designed into the unfolding unknown, which to me true control is total acceptance, which then leads to freedom.

I don’t like the word evil, far too biblical for my taste. If you agree that evil is action based on a lie then I’m fine using this word in this conversation. So then yes there’s plenty of people doing evil things, but to me truth is beyond morals. So if you are calling it evil because you think it’s good or bad, that’s subjective. At one point in time society thought it was morally wrong to be homosexual but that has since changed, what is considered moral is often subject to change but it does tie in with truth. What do you mean by “surrender some selfishness”?

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It’s a game of words and notions. Any sensible and reasonable person grounded in their life would of course agree you can act cruel and evil. I don’t think anyone is actually in denial here that there’s a balanced and healthy way to live that’s spiritual and there’s an opposite to that which could include hurting other people. That’s the problem with these discussions that people try to solidify the Devine so much that it boggles the mind, since at the end of the day all these discussions here are basically yapping. Every person here would agree they don’t want cruel and hurtful things done to them by another person. This does not contradict truth. And I believe it’s possible to live from the absolute perspective, hear no evil see no evil, while at the same time holding this preference and point of self reference for preservation, I know so from experience.

Oh I see, yes good point

Eternally innocent and guilty are added in labels, not wholeness. You are neither innocent or guilty. Why not dissolve what’s there and see what actually is?

I don’t believe there are inherently bad people. All is accepted. That doesn’t mean everyone connects to truth or that everyone doesn’t live out whatever unresolved issues or dysfunctional beliefs they have. Bullying only exists on a hierarchy where one person believes they can be better than another person by acting cruel towards them. They are acting in a way they believe brings them value, but it’s impossible to earn value, you are value, divine. It’s impossible to create a bully if one realizes it is one simply by the very premise of what a bully is.

The reason these gurus say all this shit is because they lack integrity and it’s the reason why half the mystical shit they say contradicts each other. Its half baked shit that’s pure distraction from sitting in the unknown. It’s crazy how so many seekers have chosen to perceive sahdguru as “more awake.” If the guy was posting here people would be mocking him for smocking too much dmt. He is a good guy and I have no bone to pick with him but I definitely don’t look up to or idolize him or think he “knows more than me.” He’s done a good job creating his business though and apparently he does some farming that feeds people in his place in India, so that’s nice.

I agree, I like Sadhguru but I don’t believe in telling white lies and I don’t approve of the hierarchy he creates with his teachings. He’s not my guru, nor do I have one, and I believe guru culture in general is antiquated and limiting for the truly independent.

It was engineered since we have evidence of this, so some aspects of the way they would think are the same as today, but at the same time there was divine knowledge and totally different type of world views. Such a radical world view and belief system then. Who the fuck even knows how radically different it was looking out into the world then. To be transported back then would be like a psychedelic trip. Certain colors probably weren’t even perceived yet with how they saw the world. Who knows what people were capable of with their level of connection to source plus their beliefs.

What was the sort of the big leap though or inflection point that made your passion financially successful though? I would assume the unrelated business which gained you skills that helped monetize your passions played a role as well as the capital, but say I had a reasonably sustainable income source that extends my runway to pursue my passions. What made your passions become financially successful while remaining true to yourself? Or was it just a matter of being responsibly and flexible and sticking with it until it took off and you could grow it. It all unfolded organically ?

How did you attract or learn to make or manifest, whatever words you use, the flow of money align with your passions and interests? I see clearly you love spirituality and learning and teaching. Originally you wanted to do video games and you were earning some money through that but that wasn’t your life purpose or zone of genius. I know what my life purpose is and what my zone of genius is but where I create confusion for myself is aligning it with money, especially as a creative person who perhaps has ideals and values I don’t want to break for money. What do you do to have what you love to do align with money?

It’s a big problem here? Only people I’ve seen who make these mistakes often seem to not really speak English in the first place.

I can relate. I lean towards introvert energy too. I like staying in. I do create some resistance to meeting new people. Thing is it can be fun if you allow it and I think if you come at it without goals but just find a rhythm and nightlife you like (music preference?) it can be much better. Also getting a bit of momentum helps a ton. Once you have some momentum and friends it becomes more fun. Don’t give up.

No one knows. Iran has a massive up hill battle and I believe they face devastating consequences if they over commit. They are better off in a proxy conflict where they can prod for weakness.

This is fucked up and a full scale war in the region is going to not help all the world order tensions.

Relationship with a woman you’re attracted to, for sure. your deepest insecurities will surface and you’ll be able to resolve them. But focusing on your social skills and building up your extroverted side is also great. I’m continually doing this myself. You can do both.

Careful with these comparisons it’s one thing to have insight and see the many differences in the lives of people, communities and countries. It’s another to think one aspect or experience from one applies to or is appropriate for another. Nothing is by coincidence yet everything is unfolding. You could be born into NK and live some life with a severe lack of food and wellbeing. Yet be born into a great community in the USA and the. get shot in the back by some gunman or get cancer.

I wouldn’t ever compare one life to another. I can’t even imagine the unique challenges all you folks on here go through that live in these red/blue places.