Lyubov

Yeah, I do agree. I think at the end of the day I try to just enjoy what I have and not put labels on it and model it too much. If a relationship is going well, don't sabotage it and just let it be. I think it's interesting to think about this stuff but at the end of the day just try the best for ourselves. I just don't want to see men or women used by some shady people out there who want to have their cake and eat it too. Both men and women have to be careful who they choose.

One thing I want to say is I try to hold these concepts loosely and not take them too seriously. Alpha and beta aren't exactly the nicest labels and they are very much open for interpretation. A lot of strange discussions in here where it seems like everyone is talking past each other and trying to make a different point. I have noticed that women, not all, but a decent % will sleep around and then come their late 20s to early 30s will get serious and definitely start being more conservative with their sexuality. The irony here is that basically the men who then get her now are having a woman who has slept a lot around, and what makes a woman sexually special to a man is her being exclusive. Of all the men who tried to get her, it was only you and maybe a select other few that could. This is a punch in the gut, men do NOT want a woman that lots of other men had. It ruins the intimacy and takes what is special about her away for men. "Alphas" basically have first dibs at this and get it quickly and a lot of it. So when it comes time to settle down you can usually assume a woman who is hitting that special age, has a lot of bodies if she is showing all the red flags for it. I've noticed basically there are women who aren't so sexual who seem to just not sleep around so much, and then those who shacked up early and got married early or were in a few really long term relationships, rare because of the heartbreak, most people don't have it in them to go through a massive break up like that multiple times. So naturally you can see the oil split from the water and there is more oil than water... You can assume about 50-70% of the time a woman that has been partying and is in her late 20s has easily hit a body count of 25+ guys. This is not nice for men!! Most men do not wants that. And I feel bad for the sorry guys who have been warped to think that shit is acceptable. I can barely accept this myself but it's also important to see past this and see how the woman has matured. Some actually mature and do make for a good partner but some stay stuck in their party faze and just rack up more and more bodies, I noticed these are the one who find a guy to manipulate most instead of seek a better partnership.

The fact that Israel is given a pass by so many people for its make believe story about how the land was promised to Jews thousands of years ago by the Bible is criminal.

Lmao bro…. LMAOOOOO 🤡 Israel hasn’t even existed for a single century……

Women by and large give it to men that in their mind they would want to rope into commitment or they see on a subconscious level as a provider / partner. This is inseparable from female sexuality. It’s simply not in women’s nature to ever consider sex with a man where on some deeper level they see him as weak or unworthy of mating with. This does not apply to men who are programmed to fuck every women, just fuck. Cause they are competing with other men and need to get their seed in as many as possible, their sperm race to the finish line. This is why women that sleep around are such a turn off. What women eventually learn and mature into is that they are hitting above their weight and they come back down after getting ran through by guys who are the prize. What turns them on and they desire isn’t always what they end up committing and setting to because the prize they were chasing had so many more options than them and wasn’t willing to throw that away. I think this is why you gotta be careful who you settle with. Is she basically desperate to settle down after giving it out to a bunch of guys she should of been more careful with or is she catching her prize? Women definitely adjust their standards. It’s why they will then say “I never would have dated this guy when I was younger.” It’s not the same as men saying it which usually means a more beautiful woman due to wealth and statues they acquired, for women it usually means a man that is more agreeable.

I think we are making different points. Brad Pitt is hella masculine, alpha and has tremendous status. I’m not talking about jacked guys vs guys who don’t take steroids. I’m talking about guys who get girls vs don’t (or have very limited choices). In no world do most woman prefer a beta male (guy who does not get girls and has extremely limited choices).

I wouldn’t strive for perfection or purity like this. You are just postulating and discussing ideals. The true end game is you talking responsibility for your life, not blaming anyone, not playing victim and really showing up for yourself to listen to that part of you some call the ego, some call the inner child. Come together as one and living true and authentic in a way that nurtures this, but then if you choose otherwise and feel sad about something, you learn from it instead of look to blame or play games with yourself. I wouldn’t say the point is to try to reach some ideal or expectation. Recognize first you create your negative emotions and you choose a busy mind thinking negative thoughts, inquire on why you choose that in the first place.

We can agree to disagree on this part. I have been around plenty of women to see the things I don’t prefer about them and that go against my survival strategy. I’m just observing. Most guys do not prefer a woman who has slept around and plays the field while they haven’t but unfortunately many men get that. I would look into why body count matters for women vs men. Essentially this is what women preferring a beta male culminates in. Maybe you are an outlier, I can assure you most women prefer a more masculine guy and give it away to plenty of guys, sometimes alphas sometimes just their experimenting, before settling on a guy who is usually willing to settle for them while she was off sleeping around and while he was working his ass off to get noticed.

I don’t disagree here. Most guys living pretty well and doing well need to make some concessions. Ultimately focusing on unfairness is a losing mindset.

Monogamy is basically to keep alphas and betas from going to war and all hell breaking loose, which is what is happening now in the western world. The betas are revolting and lining up to collect Pokémon cards. Gen z Incels voted Trump and tipped the scales. Beta men getting ran through western women has consequences on society. Decay. Label it the male loneliness epidemic if you want. It’s not that. They get plenty of socializing via discord. It’s hoeflation and too many beautiful women not being equally spread around, but going to the top due to wealth inequality.

They prefer the beta guys after getting ran through by men who have no interest in settling them (basically the prize men from the other thread we were discussing who is the prize) and they don’t afford the same sexual privileges and freedoms to the beta guy who definitely desires that which the alpha got. Moaning about chores, not sharing him with other women, making him provide everything for her, loading him up with tons of responsibilities. He’s basically selling himself short. Prized alphas provide and still get to do what they want.

Because a lot of women rack up a high body count and then manipulate their way to a beta guy who doesn’t know what he’s settling for. Basically ran through women connive their way to more naive men who deserve a better deal.

What’s wrong with that? Recognizing your own uniqueness and greatness and giving a middle finger to all comparisons. You are self sabotaging way more if you take note of and count every potential flaw against yourself if you start giving weight to what isn’t working for you. I don’t see how recognizing whether or nots looks mattering changes much (they obviously matter and should be maximized). I just don’t think it’s poisoned. Obviously one should be maximizing their looks physique the best they can, that can go a long way. You’re just arguing for your shortcomings if you put energy into focusing on what brings you down (if you aren’t willing to change them)

Awful deal for men.

He came down after a drug fueled bender. Classic coke head behavior.

He’s so fucking high… He is high as shit on cocaine and ketamine.

I don’t doubt what you are going through is unbelievably challenging. I have no logistical advice since this is not something I’ve ever been through and honestly you are living my worst fear. So I would keep your head held high and be proud knowing you are facing some shit most people would lose their pants over and you have been surviving, doing your best, which I definitely believe is true given what you wrote here. It will eventually change, really know this too will pass. Don’t go into that place of despair. You said yourself you meditate, so you know there is a kingdom within of peace and inner guidance. Drop the illusions. You are experiencing homelessness, you aren’t homeless. This doesn’t define you. It’s a hard chapter of life you will overcome.

Your own flat is very important. Maybe some people don’t give a fuck but I want some privacy. That’s a pretty tough mental barrier to overcome not having your own place and to live with parents. Pulling girls from one place to a better place is crucial. Logistics is very important. Unless you live in Brazil where you can just have sex on the beach.

It’s easier to be an incel now more than ever. For better or worse there is sort of a culturally acceptable mentality where people can sort of do as they want with less social stigma. You have grown men lining up to buy Pokémon cards. During my time stuff like this was stigmatized more and I knew I was headed down a dark path.

I believe they have to want to change. I only put out the offer. I am not putting any energy into going out to solve other people’s problems. The solution is ultimately awakening and self generated love for oneself and a genuine prioritization of wanting to align with truth which is difficult to do if you took the black pill since you are living from lies. I just remember there always being a force within me I stayed connected through this time of my life, indescribable, where even 1% of me believed I was worthy. A candle in the dark. I coped and did the best I could and one thing led to another where I remember having an insight come to me where I really questioned if I was so different and what made it true that I am bad. Since basically what all black pill people are believing is “I am bad.” I’m not sure it’s possible to get anyone to want to change. Maybe I was just blessed to have an epiphany here and there and some stuff to leverage myself. I am stubborn too which is sometimes a good thing if it’s in the right direction. It would have been way harder if I was financially broke or really short or sick through this whole time. I count my blessings. We are given a lot sometimes even through very challenging problems in life. I am glad I am where I am now but those inner child stories are something present sometimes. I’ve found resolution. It’s about accepting that now without forcing.

I never wanted any applause. I just wanted to be happy and live a good life. I don’t expect any special medals or social approval for what I went through. I got something better, freedom and peace.

I’ve reached the bottom guys. I’ve been there. If you knew how dark it gets. This was before the “pills” took over. Back then there wasn’t a label for me except maybe “loner.” It’s a self fulfilling prophecy of facing extremely challenging and cruel situations in your early years. I lost a parent, faced bullying at school, physical punishment, was criticized and saw myself as worthless. It got extremely dark for me and I retreated into the online worlds of porn, video games and 4chan. This type of belief system separates you so much and you believe you are keeping yourself safe by latching onto a victim mindset and personality. I literally walked through the valley of the shadow of death. I’ve created hell and when I saw what I was doing, I woke up and created heaven instead. I have a reference library, experience, a teaching and awareness that could quite literally heal most incels ages 16+ from the west, in a matter of 3-10 conversations but I haven’t really pursued this as my life purpose nor really refined it enough to take on clients responsibly. When you are out of it you see so clearly and have the ability to show others the way but the world isn’t so receptive to this kind of messaging now. I’m afraid it’s gotten worse and most men want to go deeper into incel-dom. I’m at least glad I got out. I went through the worst over 10 years ago and am now in a deeply fulfilling relationship, where I am planning to propose to her. If anyone is an incel here in the absolute dark, and you need help to get out, DM me. I can go give you the road map and a teaching that will precisely free you from this belief system and expand your consciousness in such a way where you can get on with your life and let all that shit go.

Right??? It’s so so damn ineffective. Like there is literally nothing worse a guy can do to set it up in his mind and frame it where the woman is the prize and align his actions with this intention it’s so bad, I even tested it somewhat recently when I was single. You can KINDA entice them if you find a woman who wants to be a sugar baby but it is literally a recipe to be used and passed on. You are simping if you put the woman up as the prize. Sometimes it genuinely baffles me how women are just so oblivious to their own nature. It’s shocking. No woman in the world desires a man they are punching down on. Every woman wants to feel they are punching above their weight. It’s why you see every single woman fawning over and seriously having a pass at celebrity guys or high earning guys, never the other way around. It’s extremely rare and if so the guy half the time has warped it and she has set it up in her mind to see him above her.

I don’t have to. It’s just a choice of mine because this forum is a bit colorful and I’ve been through all the ropes when it comes to women. You have zero conceptual understanding of just how difficult it is for a man to be seen as a MAN by a WOMAN. It’s like the war veteran, where everything he says comes out rough. He’s been through some shit. He has scars. That is the experience of the majority of western men born in the 90s or later. I do agree there is real intimacy and I do agree dropping the stories is the path towards that. This is what I strive for. But I do believe my lived experience and the typical “manosphere” narrative that is shared often on here by men is reasonably accurate in explaining what’s happening, at least putting some of it in context.

Women absolutely filter how he describes. My girlfriend will literally take on a different cadence and tone in speech when she describes or talks about the vast majority of guys she sees as neutral and a MAN (guy who she is attracted to, me! ) Women do not see men they are attracted to as MEN. But the same concept extends to men. I don’t see fat women as WOMEN. They are neutral to me as well.