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+ USA rejected a request made by a rep to conduct an international independent investigation on the attack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGOqsbd7k6Q&t=8s Regardless who did it, it was sadly successful in diverting the attention away from the confirmed non stop bombing of other civilian areas that is happening till today. In the end, it's nothing new for the Israeli gov. they have a long history of similar incidents, even outside Gaza and Hamas they bombed a primary school in Egypt a long time ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_El-Baqar_primary_school_bombing.

Israel is not the center of the universe, even if it was, that doesn't give the Israeli gov the entitlement to act like a mad butcher without being held accountable. With this kind of logic, Palestinians have the right to do the same.

Just the fact that they are only allowing extremely minimal amount of urgently needed aid to the civilians, completely cutting off fuel (which is causing the complete collapse of the healthcare system, doctors are doing surgeries without anesthesia and other horrors) tells you something is deeply wrong. If not stopped, that will definitely lead to more loss of countless human lives due to disease. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/starvation-weapon-war-being-used-against-gaza-civilians-oxfam https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-health-care-doctor-israel-bombing-gaza-siege-hospital-63d00d907f5469c81f49c0201801c997

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iP6pkuSJysU Former Israeli prime minister is worried objective journalism serves Hamas. No wonder why there is a massive ongoing wave of mccarthyism, censorship, cancel culture and insufficient coverage for the Palestinian side.

https://twitter.com/realjameswoods/status/1717032824103227882 Oppenheimer's producer James Woods tweeted this. public genocidal speech is becoming a normal thing.... scary times we live in.

Have you actually interviewed every Palestinian (including those in the west bank, Jerusalem, refugees in the other countries, as well as Palestinians inside Israel) and asked them if they desire peace or not? Palestinians are normal humans, they definitely desire peace, not without justice though. Nothing justifies the Zionist perspective from the start, Palestinians welcomed them in their homes as refugees when they were escaping war, but Zionists insisted to separate themselves and took over their lands, changed their cities, their culture, established a new country with new language on the cost of Palestinian lives. That's never an acceptable thing. So of course a lot of Israelis were ready before them because they knew it wasn't their right to begin with.

The UN and multiple human rights organizations have already been challenging the Israeli narrative for a long time, but no action is ever taken because USA/Europe seem to always veto any resolution on Israel's accountability.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-denying-visas-to-un-officials-after-guterres-seemed-to-justify-hamas-assault/ Israel denying visas to UN officials after Guterres seemed to justify Hamas assault That's what happens when you spoil a child for too long, it becomes a narcissist.

Who said I don't? the focus is on Gaza right now because civilians at this minute are being killed, their houses are leveled, with no fuel and very minimum humanitarian aid allowed, which makes it an urgent humanitarian crisis.

You can't expect peace to prevail with no restorative justice. It could be a very shallow form of "peace" like what's between Israel and middle eastern governments, but that doesn't represent the actual majority of people.

I disagree with this religious people are not necessarily radical or extremist.

with this logic, all countries in the world had no chance to evolve into a better society, since most countries in this world were colonized and some had primitive and violent tendencies. I already answered this point, it's up to western gov to back off intervening into the middle east and give it its full right to develop. Irresponsible in a practical way? yes because they failed to see the massive power imbalance in the world and didn't acknowledge that Israel being backed by the entire western world will cause their inevitable defeat. However, irresponsible moralistically? I don't think so because from the first place Zionists had no right to kick off people from their lands and turn them into refugees, if this happened to you I don't think you would be okay with having half of your house taken away. Israelis need to acknowledge first their deadly mistake of choosing to create a Zionist state in a country that had people, it already happened and nothing could be changed about it yes, but at least acknowledge this and show genuine desire to establish peace with Palestinians, make reparations and withdraw completely from the west bank, that's if it had to be the 2 state solution. Western governments always had their ways of instilling moderate governments, like they did in the west bank, so this extreme fear of Hamas is just strange to be honest, and in any case, Israel is responsible for taking this first step because they started this whole conflict, so it's better they take it sooner than later.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/children-gaza-are-writing-names-31251348 Children in Gaza 'are writing their names on their arms in case they die in airstrikes'

I did.

Wow.. the ways people justify stealing and killing to survive on a stolen property.

My point is that blaming the oppressed and imposing further restrictions will not help, if you genuinely desire a change then pressure the oppressor and hold him accountable to actually make a change. It's only complicated because current western governments enable this, but that won't be necessary a permanent thing

again this circles back to the core issue which is inhibiting development, in all shapes which includes poverty, poor education and lack of awareness . So getting rid of the radicals will not address the issue, instead, the focus should be on getting rid of the reasons or situations that make people choose radicals in the first place.

This happened because Mubarak (who was a strong ally to the western governments) killed the opportunity for any secular or moderate movements by actively imprisoning any voices, leaving the room only for the Muslim brotherhood, who mostly used the poor and lured them with money and food to get their vote, which left the Egyptians to choose between a Pro-Mubarak regime candidate vs the Muslim Brotherhood, even with that, I'd argue that the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt weren't even that radical but they were tainted as such in the media to get the widespread support for the military coup that followed. So the problem is not simply because " the society lacks adequate development." , rather the problem is that those regimes (that are backed by external powers) are actively working on inhibiting any development to ensure their survival.

The link for the full report : https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/a-hrc-12-48.pdf

https://www.tiktok.com/@honestmedia5/video/7292472016660204833 Mohamed Hadid (Gigi Hadid's father) on how his family lost their house in Palestine

Meanwhile in the west bank, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-airstrikes-gaza-syria-west-bank-2023-10-22/ In the Israeli-occupied West Bank, 93 Palestinians have been killed — including eight Sunday — in clashes with Israeli troops, arrest raids and attacks by Jewish settlers since the Hamas attacks, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. Israeli forces have closed crossings into the territory and checkpoints between cities, measures they say are aimed at preventing attacks. Israel says it has arrested more than 700 Palestinians since Oct. 7, including 480 suspected Hamas members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkA--JpO7c&ab_channel=MikhailaPeterson Michaela Peterson's Israel/Palestine: The History and What’s Real? Opposing Views with Norman Finkelstein and David Brog

@Danioover9000 yes same to me as well.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4idQbwsvtUo&t=1483s Honestly, this line from Piers Morgan & Bassem Youssef interview, sums up the whole conflict : "it's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic psychopath, he fucks you up then makes it your fault"- The Israel vs Hamas conflict can actually seem like a fight between an impoverished angry fanatic and a wealthy narcissistic psychopath.

@Danioover9000 Thank you for your reply I wasn't aware

I don't know if it's only me but a lot of the posts are missing in this thread.. Was this also a result of misfired rocket by Hamas?