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As expected, his followers will go to great lengths to defend their favorite guru. Those that have different opinions, wouldn't either bother posting and I can see why. Trying to get them to see otherwise is pointless. This is my last post on this topic. Those that needed to hear what has been said, can re-read the posts. Martin123 - you are on the right track. Trust your feelings and your gut. Energetic embodiment is main part of this work (not chasing more intellectual understanding + insights)

Does this statement not say it all?

And that's the problem. You value intellectual understanding over energetic work. The energetic work is main ingredient - intellectual understanding is actually a very small part. @Preety_India It's amazing at what lengths people will go (you just demonstrated it) to justify and enable toxic behavior of gurus.

This is exactly what I was talking about. The things that Eckhart Tolle says, are actually congruent with his energy field. In fact, his biggest teaching comes from him just being, his presence. He is an example of somebody who embodies his teachings. The gut doesn't lie. The mind does. It is also absurd, that on this forum people consider him one of the least developed teachers. (and somehow Leo to be one of the most advanced) I have a feeling that a lot of people on this forum spend too much time in their head and are disconnected from their bodies. That's what chasing for intellectual understanding + insights will do. "Slightly arrogant manner" is also a very mild way to put it.

To me, this is a different case. What I have expressed, is based on long observation, intuition, and consideration of different points (including the ones that you mentioned). Regarding the teaching part - there is a huge ingredient that you are missing. The ingredient comes from feeling ,sensing, and intuition, it has to do with energy. This may have to do with the fact that you spend a lot of time in your head. And I asked you for your honest opinion (pmed you) and as I can see, you are not willing to share it.

All good bro, and my apologies if I came off arrogant in anyway.

What did I write that you perceived as arrogant? Why are you putting everyone below him? Why blindly defend a guru? You again missed my point. This speaking up is for people that share similar opinion, but are clearly afraid to voice it, or they don't think it will have any effect, because they are in the minority. If you disagree, then please address the actual points and don't just dismiss it as "your ego is reacting".

I typed "A" and you read it as "B" - through your own biased filter, and are making it about me, my needs, which can't be further from the truth. Not every person on this forum is a leech - in fact many people here provide tremendous amount of value. It would help if you would not view my posts as some form of attack on LEO, and instead, something that may potentially help him evolve, if more people will come out and speak up. I get it that you have been a loyal follower for a long time and it's not easy to even consider the things that I mentioned.

Could you tell me how I could have said "irrelevant to the point that I made" in a different way, without coming off as someone looking for a debate? I certainly meant that - my post addressed a specific topic that is discussed in this thread, Leo. Have you considered on stepping back a bit on your meta-analysis? And actually addressing exactly what I said? There is a lot of value in that, but I think sometimes you go overboard with it - almost like a mad scientist with his microscope zooming in so much, that he can't see the full thing. I would be interested in your honest opinion, on the things that I mentioned regarding Leo. If you are not willing to give your honest opinion (being a mod, and if I was in your shoes - it would be difficult for me as well), then I totally understand. I am very well have some points missing - and I would be interested if they are relevant to the subject being discussed here. I will also add this: The best teachers that I seen, are the ones that actually learn from the students. They don't act from authority, and the energetic dynamic at play does not make it feel like a student-teacher relationship. Those rare breed happen to be very secure within themselves and do not derive their identity from being a teacher. The intent of my posts is to help others in the community to speak up and not to be afraid to voice their opinions. The more people do, the more it may cause for Leo to introspect and consider what is being said seriously. To Leo's credit - I have personally been impressed by a few members here who seem to have outgrown his teachings, that went even further, and are helping others see things from a different perspective(even if they are at odds with his opinions at times). Without his teachings and this forum - it may not have happened.

What I said, has nothing to do with style. If you were observant enough, you would see that he does not take criticism well. You will not find many posts (you would be lucky to find even one), where he admits to being wrong (personally) and usually goes on the defensive - pointing out the flaw in others, instead of considering other person's POV. I will throw another pipe bomb here: Leo's biggest shadow is Trump. What you hate in others - is something that you are carrying yourself (to a degree). You can find many masculine teachers with similar style - who act and embody their teachings in far more congruent way. Once LEO realizes that it's not about chasing insights or gaining more intellectual understanding, but energetic work - he will have one of the biggest breakthroughs and his teachings may drastically change. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of value in what he teaches (even if he doesn't embody it), but there is a totally different world out there.

Your first post in this thread is irrelevant to the point that I made here. Either you are really unaware or you choose to stay silent - due to conflict of interests.

For someone who has been a long time lurker, on and off, I 100% agree with OP's post. In fact, I don't think you are in the minority and more people than you think have came to this realization. Leo is one of the teachers that does not embody his teachings. People that are conscious enough - can see it from a mile away, just from his energy when watching his videos, in other words, the energy doesn't match the words. The arrogant and careless posts that he makes, is another one of many factors that has already been pointed out. When it comes to mods, there is a clear conflict of interest at play. Why do you never see them criticize and call Leo out? Forestluv has been one of his biggest enablers and defenders - he goes very deep into the meta-analysis and is completely blind when it comes to Leo. To OP and to others that feel the same - consider that you may have outgrown this teacher. The forum can be enjoyed with interacting other like minded people, but it doesn't mean that you have to follow LEO anymore. While I will always be grateful for the knowledge that I gained from LEO's older videos - I will not be a blind follower. And you shouldn't be either. Also, LEO's response to Frank Yang's vid was another giveaway. Part of the spiritual work is learning how to be authentic and expressing your opinion honestly - no matter the consequences. I hope that one day more people like you will come forward, which in turn will help LEO realize his blindspots and evolve.