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Language itself is arbitrary ..relative and "circular". Example : Leo often says everyone is God's imagination or the Mind of God. If you push him on these terms he has to redefine the words into unity and say "God IS imagination ". And " God is it's own creation ". Instead of the world being separated from God and imagined by God. He actually claims both depending on the context . If you wanna speak loosely then the world is God's imagination..but if you get picky about every fucking word you are saying then God is itself it's own creation . That's just an example of how language itself can never convey Absolute Truth .Absolute Truth lies outside of language..words and concepts. Language is relative and also "circular ". What is a cat ? An animal ..whats an animal ? A living organism of some sort .what is a living organism? An object. What's an object? A thing. And here you stop .Language can't answer what is a thing without going in circles. Because thingness / beingness is prior to Language and is more fundamental than Language. Language is grounded in Absolute Truth and not the other way around. This is the reason why discussion or debating and exchange of concepts will never reveal the Absolute Truth but always relative opinions.

Sure .I already mentioned that . Do this experiment or challenge: ..from waking up in the morning until you go to bed at night ..spend the whole day doing nothing but basic biological needs like eating and drinking etc..don't distract yourself with anything at all..don't run your mindless daily routine of seeking pleasure ..just sit and be at peace . Watch what will happen. 😊

@Monster Energy I agree but the issue is this requires deep consciousness and wisdom to grasp..and don't assume that most people are aware of this . People define heaven or perfection as having everything their ego wants ..whereas highly Conscious people define it as what is .

You say you've got all your practical life handled and you don't have ambition..then I see no problem from the absolute perspective you can just sit and exist . It might be a trap if someone is justifying his laziness and lack of taking action by adopting the attitude of just sitting and doing nothing .I do want to do that sometimes but obviously NOT all the time because we are programed to seek and do stuff ..but we know that at the end there is nothing but being .

It's a paradox not a mistake or contradiction . They call it the Gateless Gate or the Groundless Ground . No substance or ground to reality is the same thing as saying the substance is Nothingness or Infinity . The word "consciousness " does seem problematic if you mean consciousness in the conventional sense like being awake or alert and perceiving things like right now vs being unconcious like when you are in deep sleep. What spiritual people call "consciousness " is not perception..its another word for Nothingness or Infinity.

To make sense of such questions we need to boil the question down to what are we really asking here ? Your room in a dream is certainly just an appearance rendered directly by your mind and has no reality from the outside ..granted that we agree on the nature of dreams ..nighttime dreams . Similarly a room in a video game like Minecraft is being rendered on the fly . What you are really asking is what's the nature of this experience right now right here ? Start there .investigate your direct experience and test it .

@Hojo no worries sorry if I was rude .Its just not clicking for me what you're saying .

No idea what you're talking about . Cut the edginess and smartassery please . Lessen the paradoxes and avoid ambiguity. I'm not interested in mad talk .

To give a concerte example which might make the conversation easier : Water boils at 100 Celsius. We call that something which we know objectively. Is this independent of you holding this idea in your mind ? Is objectivity happening within subjectivity or the other way around? I hope the question is clear 😅

@Hojo what ?

No . I woke up this morning for something completely out of my control. If you sleep and never wake up..what is that called ? Death . The only reason existence exists as forms is because of the existence of the formless .deep sleep is formlessness and this experience right now is form. If I ask why is there something rather than nothing ?..its because there is nothing that there can be something. Try this experiment..sleep-deprive for a whole week ..zero sleep ..this is the result: you will realize that this moment right now is NOT existence or something Ness or consciousness. Why ? Because without sleeping and erasing all experience you can't have its opposite. Without nothingness there cannot be something Ness.

Forget about thoughts for now ..whats so special about a thought which makes it more tricky to define than a cheeseburger? It's a matter of the metaphysics of definition and what is isness itself regardless of its content ? A thing is a thing is a thing is a thing . Define a thought as electricity in the brain ..OK so what's a brain ? An object .. OK so what's an object ? A thing .. What's a thing ? Reality is made out of itself.

@LastThursday if you might engage me for a sec ... We are born ( assumption but let me start somewhere)as blank slate..(ditch genetics and biology for now )..we are born knowing literally nothing at all . We accumulate knowledge via our senses ..and via external sources..even your reasoning right now is NOT 100% coming from "YOU" ..simply because YOU are just awareness..all ideas about logic..mathematics..scientific facts ..logical deductions ..etc ..is coming to you from your environment. Then how is it possible to know anything with 100% originality ? It seems like direct sensory experience is the only way. But if we agree on that ..then the question arises : okay so what exactly is THIS? Where did it come from and where is it going ? Maybe these themselves are assumptions which are NOT found in direct experience. But then that means THIS is just here and full stop . I have no proplem with this (until past midnight 😂). Any thoughts (which are not derived from brainwashing and input being fed to you from external sources)?

A "you " experiencing an "X" is already separation right off the ground.

Yes and no . Not trying to be cheeky.