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I’m going to be truthful. No , I haven’t met any of them . And I haven’t met Nahm . But the point is that these teachers , all of them , do have that kind of medium of teaching goin on .while Leo doesn’t . right now ,you could book a ticket or schedule a free (or paid ) video talk with him . Let’s talk less about meeting in person(because Actualizer are from every country in the world ) and talk more about online meeting (beyond just texting on a forum ,where Leo is so happy posting these cute little offshoots of a posts ). no practical thing has happened yet. Even Leo himself is still organizing his mind about how it should go . Because it essentially circles around making the participants take illegal drugs , and so there are legal issues surrounding it. I myself am not fully aware of this.

Tell me one spiritual teacher who’s popular right now who still haven’t done meeting on person or through online video meetups with his followers/ fans ? rupert spira did . mooji did . adyshanti did . Nahm did . Jim Neman did. Anna brown did . Sadhuguru did . Bentinho Massaro did . Eckhart Tolle did . i could go on forever … but somehow the most awake person ever doesn’t want to do it . lol .

@Natasha Tori Maru what about that quote ?

I genuinely expected Leo to respond with clear-cut answers to my direct questions which are found on the first page of this thread.

I hate this feeling when you hit a dead end and feel like you’re paralyzed, almost as if you’ve been struck by an electrical storm. Your mind stops cooperating with you. You can’t think straight, can’t make sense of what’s happening, and can barely formulate two sentences together and no matter how hard you try, you can’t seem to find a way out. I hate it, until I actually begin to love it. Because somewhere in the middle of all that confusion, something begins to shift because the need to figure everything out starts to lose its grip on me.It clears my head eventually, not by giving me immediate answers, but by making me stop searching so desperately for them. it forces me to let go of control. It’s not a choice. It doesn’t ask for my permission or wait until I’m ready. It simply takes away my ability to hold everything together, to make sense of everything, to find a solution to every uncertainty. For once, I cannot think my way out of what I’m feeling. I have no choice but to sit with it, to allow it to exist without trying to change it. And slowly, almost without me noticing, I begin to enter a peaceful space. A space where I no longer feel the need to have everything figured out .The urgency fades, and I begin to feel lighter, as though something within me has finally stopped resisting. And it’s here, in this space of stillness, that insights and clarity begin to emerge. Not because I’ve forced them to, but because I’ve finally stopped getting in their way. Sometimes, I think, the mind needs to reach a dead end before it can discover a different way forward.

That is correct. I think his answer have landed by not answering at all .

I obviously don’t and can’t control what people say or talk about here , even Leo can’t , unless there is severe violation of the guidelines or something like that . I would like to see more maturity in the discussion. And the only way for this to happen is if the people who post are themselves mature and experienced in consciousness work . If we had 4 people as such , they could autocorrect any confusion which the less experienced members have and help guide the people here towards truthful conclusions about consciousness work .

You could say that, if that’s how you perceive it. it’s difficult to truly know another person’s inner world, even through face-to-face communication, let alone through text messages. Personally, I think he possesses exceptional clarity when it comes to the work of consciousness. that doesn’t necessarily mean he can offer sound advice on practical matters such as health, dating, or other aspects of everyday life. when he attempts to apply his ideas about enlightenment to the practical issues of ordinary life,At that point, it becomes clear that he is conflating consciousness work for guidance about everyday situations. and again that’s my own personal opinion. He’s something from the past now . I wish we could have more people like him on the forum today . Because Leo doesn’t put that much effort on the forum despite posting actively for years because he intentionally posts casually and less formally on the forum.

I changed. I was pretty immature in the past . I’ve worked on myself and I improved.

But That’s exactly the point I’m trying to get at. Why is Leo playing peekaboo with us? He is NOT completely free to play it however he wants . He is an enlightened teacher who teaches spirituality . He share his ideas, influence people, and maintain a presence through his work, but when it comes to actually engaging with the people who have followed him for years, there’s a reluctance to take that next step. it comes across as a kind of “don’t befriend me” attitude, or even outright ignoring members who are trying to establish some genuine connection. Of course, nobody is entitled to Leo’s personal time, he doesn’t need to give a fuck about this thread But I do think it’s fair to question this persistent distance, especially when there’s an entire community of people who have invested considerable time and energy in his work. when I actually asked Leo why he behaves this way, his response was literally that he doesn’t get paid for posting on the forum. Fair enough Why not offer paid coaching sessions, organise small group discussions, or meetups?

Ok . To keep this as constructive as possible. what I’m asking for is this : two questions. I’m satisfied with yes/no answers from Leo . That’s all . Sorry for the drama

I think there are many enlightened or God-realized people who are willing to teach and share their understanding. The problem is finding them and distinguishing genuine realization from intellectual understanding or spiritual claims. But even if finding such people is difficult, the bare minimum should be that those who are not enlightened stop presenting their assumptions, beliefs, and intellectual speculations as direct knowledge of reality. There is nothing wrong with being a seeker or sharing one’s perspective, but there is a problem when people mislead others while speaking with unwarranted certainty about things they haven’t genuinely realized for themselves. I’m very unhappy that I have to mention names , I’m a bit angry, Natasha is a brilliant lady . Emerald is very good. They mostly have emotional awareness and good understanding of communication and socializing dynamics. But I’m speaking specifically about the spiritual forum . I stopped posting here and started a journal because I’m mostly sharing personal reflections instead of claims about absolute truth . It’s obviously attractive to play the online guru game . And I admit that I have fell prey to that trap in the past . But thank goodness I’ve woken up from this and reformed my mind. In this section there are people who are active and spreading nonsense and claiming that all spiritual tearchers are full of shit . There is an ex Mod called Unborntao , he was the only one doing actual consciousness work . He would analyze every single word in a discussion. It’s that level of quality that I’m interested in. Nahm is also accurate as a knife . He is basically a spiritual quantum computer or a spiritual ChatGPT . Both left . Leo is accurate in his videos and the blog . But on the forum he is very cold , lazy , a bit full of himself and doesn’t want to meet people where they are . Etc . All of that could be fixed . But until now , it isn’t fixed .

And so to put this more directly as clear question marks: - can Leo host Zoom meetings with members of the forum ? - it’s ridiculous to even think of bringing Nahm back, and everyone knows why . So , is it possible that Leo could invite some of his fellow peers or friends who are in charge of this field to participate in this forum in order to raise the quality of discussions? thank you very much.

@LastThursday Okay, cool. I think I’ve already explained myself in plain English, but let me clarify a few things. First, I’m not suggesting that Leo and I should have a private conversation. I’m talking about hosting a Zoom meeting where essentially everyone in the community could participate. This has become the trend among online spiritual communities and teachers who teach ideas similar to Leo’s, so I don’t think it’s an unreasonable suggestion. Second, I’m NOT sorry about by my reference to the banned moderator. I know what happened, and I understand that Leo may be in a difficult position here. However, speaking honestly, I believe that person demonstrates a higher level of consciousness than Leo in certain respects, and his understanding of these subjects is more accurate. That’s my genuine assessment, whether people agree with it or not. But honestly, my main concern goes beyond any individual or the possibility of a Zoom meeting. I’m genuinely disappointed with the current quality of this forum. There’s so much low quality content, misinformation, and what I consider to be outright nonsense being discussed in this section. So, if we put the Zoom idea aside, my question is simple: Who am I supposed to learn from here? I think a much more effective solution would be to invite more knowledgeable and genuinely qualified people in these fields to participate in the forum. What saddens me most is that I keep coming across same people nonstop nonsense discussions day after day, while Leo seems to be doing very little to address the problem. I’m not saying any of this simply to criticize Leo or put anyone down. I’m saying it because I genuinely care about the quality of the discussions and the potential this community has. I mean we are talking about understanding the entire fucking world here . Right now, though, I feel that the forum is falling well short of that potential, and that’s genuinely disappointing.

@gettoefl good to see you back .