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I think there are many enlightened or God-realized people who are willing to teach and share their understanding. The problem is finding them and distinguishing genuine realization from intellectual understanding or spiritual claims. But even if finding such people is difficult, the bare minimum should be that those who are not enlightened stop presenting their assumptions, beliefs, and intellectual speculations as direct knowledge of reality. There is nothing wrong with being a seeker or sharing one’s perspective, but there is a problem when people mislead others while speaking with unwarranted certainty about things they haven’t genuinely realized for themselves. I’m very unhappy that I have to mention names , I’m a bit angry, Natasha is a brilliant lady . Emerald is very good. They mostly have emotional awareness and good understanding of communication and socializing dynamics. But I’m speaking specifically about the spiritual forum . I stopped posting here and started a journal because I’m mostly sharing personal reflections instead of claims about absolute truth . It’s obviously attractive to play the online guru game . And I admit that I have fell prey to that trap in the past . But thank goodness I’ve woken up from this and reformed my mind. In this section there are people who are active and spreading nonsense and claiming that all spiritual tearchers are full of shit . There is an ex Mod called Unborntao , he was the only one doing actual consciousness work . He would analyze every single word in a discussion. It’s that level of quality that I’m interested in. Nahm is also accurate as a knife . He is basically a spiritual quantum computer or a spiritual ChatGPT . Both left . Leo is accurate in his videos and the blog . But on the forum he is very cold , lazy , a bit full of himself and doesn’t want to meet people where they are . Etc . All of that could be fixed . But until now , it isn’t fixed .

And so to put this more directly as clear question marks: - can Leo host Zoom meetings with members of the forum ? - it’s ridiculous to even think of bringing Nahm back, and everyone knows why . So , is it possible that Leo could invite some of his fellow peers or friends who are in charge of this field to participate in this forum in order to raise the quality of discussions? thank you very much.

@LastThursday Okay, cool. I think I’ve already explained myself in plain English, but let me clarify a few things. First, I’m not suggesting that Leo and I should have a private conversation. I’m talking about hosting a Zoom meeting where essentially everyone in the community could participate. This has become the trend among online spiritual communities and teachers who teach ideas similar to Leo’s, so I don’t think it’s an unreasonable suggestion. Second, I’m NOT sorry about by my reference to the banned moderator. I know what happened, and I understand that Leo may be in a difficult position here. However, speaking honestly, I believe that person demonstrates a higher level of consciousness than Leo in certain respects, and his understanding of these subjects is more accurate. That’s my genuine assessment, whether people agree with it or not. But honestly, my main concern goes beyond any individual or the possibility of a Zoom meeting. I’m genuinely disappointed with the current quality of this forum. There’s so much low quality content, misinformation, and what I consider to be outright nonsense being discussed in this section. So, if we put the Zoom idea aside, my question is simple: Who am I supposed to learn from here? I think a much more effective solution would be to invite more knowledgeable and genuinely qualified people in these fields to participate in the forum. What saddens me most is that I keep coming across same people nonstop nonsense discussions day after day, while Leo seems to be doing very little to address the problem. I’m not saying any of this simply to criticize Leo or put anyone down. I’m saying it because I genuinely care about the quality of the discussions and the potential this community has. I mean we are talking about understanding the entire fucking world here . Right now, though, I feel that the forum is falling well short of that potential, and that’s genuinely disappointing.

@gettoefl good to see you back .

Leo is blushing or smth? Lol no need for a yes or no. Just let’s entertain the possibility. Get the ball rolling. Have some discussion .

Well you have to be doing “something “: Smoking , fapping , gaming , gym, workaholic, Netflix , music , praying to some god in the clouds Etc . can you sit down with your thoughts alone for 4 hours ? If you can then yes you don’t need any vice . But you yourself said you masturbate . So you answered your own question.

Hi Leo, hope you’re doing well. So, this forum celebrated its 10th anniversary not long ago, and you have 60k posts, which is very impressive (if it’s true). You say your body of work consists of the videos on your YouTube channel, the blog, the book you’re currently working on, and the courses (although there is only one course up until now). You post casually on the forum. You previously said that the forum is like a lounge bar for chitchatting with like-minded people, but it’s not really where the real work happens. And I agree. The real work should happen behind the scenes. Because, obviously, if you are active on here, then you are not doing that much work, because, well, you can’t be doing two things at the same time. There have been a few people suggesting a fan meetup or meeting up with you in person. As always, you didn’t respond. The “psychedelic retreat” is still in the caterpillar phase. No real, tangible things have happened yet. You banned the moderator Nahm, who is the only one here besides you who actually knows what he is talking about regarding spirituality, enlightenment, consciousness, etc. And now, I feel like I’ve watched all these videos of yours, and I understand why I exist and what existence is to a certain extent. But I feel like there is a need to take an extra step, or take this to the next level. So, I have an idea: we could basically just have Zoom meetings, private calls, paid, obviously. And, by the way, this has to happen some way or another, because you can’t distance yourself from us forever. We are like a family. And I think you want to have a real community of people, not like Osho’s ashram and without worshipping you, but there has to be something beyond just an online forum. I don’t know. I want to hear some basic thoughts from you about this idea.

@Leo Gura dude don’t run away like that . You said you admit you don’t Know when it’s the case . Well ,I asked you a very simple question. Why did you choose to ignore it . I’m not entitled of a response but you understand obviously that this is not the issue here . What I said is correct that you don’t want to admit that solipsism is a bunch of potato . You literally said a zillion times that there is only one conscious entity in the universe which is me/you . Then here you are saying “solipsism doesn’t contradict a conscious AI” . This means solipsism is a bunch of potato indeed .I’m calling this out . your ego apparently survives just fine as long as it gets to have the last word. Your position is not even clear enough in this thread . I can’t compose a coherent takeaway from your comments in this thread . It’s just “maybe “, “we don’t know “” absolute vs relative conflation “ etc . Take the microphone please.

The follow up for this which I need to clarify and express : from a purely biological perspective, nature made sex pleasurable to assure the survival of the species. If making babies wasn’t pleasurable enough, nobody would do it and the animal wouldn’t survive because it wouldn’t be able to spread its genes . this is simply programmed into our biology: survival and reproduction is the purpose of our animalistic nature. but we are not just animals . We have evolved higher and we have a significantly higher intelligence and also higher needs than most animals . No animal is interested in going to the moon, but we are. No animal is interested in studying quantum physics, but we are . No animal builds a church or a temple , but we do . We search for meaning , purpose, god , truth , etc . All of these things can never come from the material world . And since sex belongs to the material realm , we can’t extract these values from it . when I say there is no meaning to life , this is NOT a negative . This is NOT Nihilism. What I mean is that the search for meaning and purpose out there , somewhere else , or when we achieve the sexual pleasure we seek etc assumes that our meaning is not here and now . But that is a mistake . No matter who you are , how old are you , your skin color , your ethnicity, your religion, your gender, your age etc you are invaluable as you are right here and right now . There is no action step towards earning your worth . You are enough . This will only become clear to you when you meditate .

Beware of worshipping sex. It’s a trap of life. Sex is not the ultimate purpose of life. It is simply, apparently, one of the most pleasurable experiences in ordinary human chemistry. Hard drugs can take you even higher. But it’s easy to understand why snorting cocaine or injecting heroin isn’t the purpose of life, unless you’re already addicted and stuck in that cycle. But the same goes for sex when you turn it into an object of worship. Sex addicts and porn addicts are among the most miserable people in the world, just like drug addicts. Which is kind of ironic, isn’t it? If these activities are, in fact, among the most pleasurable experiences on the spectrum of human experience, then why are sex addicts and drug addicts often so miserable? Because they have it wrong when they believe that pleasure is the purpose of life. It’s not. Pleasure will never, by itself, give your life any meaning. You can have sex with the entire human race, and you still won’t find meaning in life. So, what is the meaning of life? NOTHING. BEING. THIS MOMENT.

You have to break that down, not just say it in one sentence. Your metaphysical worldview is that you are god , the only being there is and the only consciousness there is and it’s imagining everything. how does this allow for the existence of a conscious AI ? According to this worldview, I’m myself right now is something you are dreaming up .

There is a place where nothing is happening, but it exists and it’s always peaceful.

Your stomach digests food without you being aware of it . Your heart beats on its own without your conscious control. Are you denying that your stomach and your heart are you ?

This is such a naive take, pardon me. there is really no negative consequences to masturbation at all if you are doing it moderately, Without a specific rate . just whenever you feel like you really need to do it in order to clear your head from sexual thoughts and cleanse yourself from unnecessary stress because of suppressed sexual energy. And the reason I say whenever it’s “needed “ , and without a specific “ rate “ is because everyone is different. Your libido depends on several factors: your diet , your fitness, your age ,etc . If you get married and are interested in becoming a father , you have to ejaculate inside your woman’s womb . Now , tell me that that’s “too much “and I shouldn’t become a father ,and retain my seminal fluid forever instead (which is not going to happen because of nocturnal emissions ). semen contains protein, Zink, Calcium, Magnesium, etc . But you never really run out of semen . Your testicle produces semen 24/7 from the nutrients you get from food . now, if you are addicted to compulsive masturbating to unhealthy porn genres, then that’s a completely different thing and I agree that you should not do it in this way .

There is no qualitative difference between imagination and actuality. If you see a yellow cockroach in a dream, what is the difference between the qualia of this dream cockroach and that of an actual one? In both cases, you are experiencing the color yellow. So why do we call a dream cockroach an illusion? Obviously, we see it, so it is not an illusion in the sense that the experience itself is unreal. The experience is real, even if the cockroach we experience is not physical or existing independently from our own perception. But how is dreaming even possible? What exactly is a dream? Well, it is really imagination. We cannot know what anything is beyond perceiving it, experiencing it, and labeling it. Ontologically, we cannot know the true nature of anything beyond how it appears to us through experience. So, in this sense, a dream is no different from reality: both are experienced, both have qualia, and both appear to us as real while we are experiencing them. This means that reality is both unreal and real at the same time. An imaginary cockroach and an actual cockroach may be different in their existence outside our experience, but as experiences, they are qualitatively identical. The dream cockroach is not physically real, we assume..but the experience of seeing it is real. So the distinction between reality and illusion is not as straightforward as we assume. Another thing: there is no creation. Existence was never created. I mean, if the physical world that science studies, and which science claims originated with the Big Bang, was created, then whatever created this universe would itself have to be uncreated and eternal. The ultimate creator would have to be uncreated. And if that is the case, then ultimately, existence itself is uncreated. It was never brought into existence by something else. It is just there.