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@Lyubov thank you .

You’re repeating the same suggestion, and I don’t accept the premise that it’s true. You’re saying, “the discomfort is real, but you are unconsciously creating it because of a Conscious belief.” Pure contradiction. that is the very thing we are supposed to be investigating you’re presenting it as the conclusion before it has actually been established. To cut to the chase: I experience this discomfort even while I’m asleep, when I’m supposedly unconscious. So what belief exactly is creating it then? If your answer is still “there must be an unconscious belief,” then thanks because you just proved my point . There is indeed an unconscious mind . So if we’re going to actually get to the root of this, you need to stop starting from the conclusion that “I’m creating it because of a false belief im doing intentionally ” and instead acknowledge the possibility that the cause genuinely isn’t known yet. It’s completely unconscious. See?

I can reach a state of absolute zero thought in meditation but there is still some tension in the background . also a hypothetical question: what is memory ? I can right now recall an event that happened when I was 10 years old. Where is that memory stored if there is no subconscious mind ?

I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t agree that I’m deluding myself or consciously creating this issue. The discomfort is real. I’m not choosing to experience it, and I’m not inventing it because of some belief that I’m refusing to acknowledge. The fact that I don’t know the source of the discomfort doesn’t mean the discomfort itself isn’t real. I literally experience something uncomfortable in my mind, and I don’t currently understand where it comes from. That uncertainty is the issue I’m trying to communicate. I also don’t think the main issue is necessarily locating some hidden subconscious belief or turning this into an abstract philosophical question about the “ is there something beyond consciousness for the fuck of it just meaningless abstract philosophy .” Make sure to get that right before projecting . I’m willing to examine my beliefs and be honest with myself. But being honest with myself also means not forcing myself to conclude that I’m creating something when I genuinely don’t believe that I am. I can take responsibility for understanding what’s happening without taking responsibility for having deliberately created it. I do experience discomfort without apparent cause in the surface of consciousness.

I remember very vividly one of the most vivid dreams in my life . It happened in childhood. I saw Jesus in the sky telling me “I’m the truth and light and love and I can heal all your wounds . My love for you is infinite “ . I kid you not , I did actually have that dream . At the time I was agnostic /atheist .

@LastThursday @Lyubov Thanks . I’m going to read and respond soon .

I would like to revive this thread because this inquiry is an issue for me for a while now . I wrote this today in my journal . If anyone got insights regarding this topic, please share . “Lately, I require more hours of sleep than I normally do. It does not feel like ordinary physical tiredness. My body does not necessarily feel exhausted, and I do not have a headache or any particular discomfort in my head. It is something subtler. my mind is tired. Not my head or brain . There is a kind of tension within me that I find difficult to locate. It is not in my head, not in my brain, not in any physical place I can point to. It exists somewhere in the experience of being conscious . Or rather in my subconscious mind because Even when I am doing nothing, some part of me seems to remain occupied. Thinking. Anticipating. Worrying about things that have not happened. Trying to understand things that may not have an answer either In the moment or at all . There is an invisible effort involved in all of this, and its exhausting and I’m not sure how to resolve this issue without resorting to bad habits like smoking . When I sleep, I am temporarily released from myself.there is no need to hold myself together. For those hours, the constant internal subconscious activity becomes quiet. Maybe that is why I need more sleep lately “ . and this is OP; “ I was meditating by watching my thoughts arise and fade while remaining as a witness to them which is the simplest meditation technique to me . It simply shows the gap between awareness and the mind or the thinking process. Thoughts which arise in my consciousness are not coming from my own authoring ..they arise on their own and also the mind chatter itself is very clearly and sharply distinct from awareness in the sense that I can observe the mind blabbering from a distance without me needing to engage with it. I have made that line very clear. A lot of times I reach a moment of complete silence of thoughts where there aren’t any thoughts at all present in my awareness but I still feel bad or restless in the back of my mind. I still feel tensed . My facial expression is disturbed and my body is tight instead of loose . I concluded it is because of years of conditioning and years of suffering and memories and the subconscious mind . But if all of what I mentioned now are not accessible directly in my awareness when I reach the zero thoughts phase in meditation..then where are they present ? The only answer that comes up to me is they are in the unconscious mind . But how can something exist and be unconscious? Either a thing is conscious or it doesn’t exist. What am I not getting or getting wrong ?“.

Brother , you are all over the place . Every other day you contradict what you said earlier. I suggest long-time of introspection and spending time figuring out your most authentic desired lifestyle. I know you are a young man and it’s normally to be confused in your age, as you don’t have that much life experience. Do you REALLY Want to be a virgin and single for the rest of your life ? I don’t buy it .

Lately, I require more hours of sleep than I normally do. It does not feel like ordinary physical tiredness. My body does not necessarily feel exhausted, and I do not have a headache or any particular discomfort in my head. It is something subtler. my mind is tired. Not my head or brain . There is a kind of tension within me that I find difficult to locate. It is not in my head, not in my brain, not in any physical place I can point to. It exists somewhere in the experience of being conscious . Or rather in my subconscious mind because Even when I am doing nothing, some part of me seems to remain occupied. Thinking. Anticipating. Worrying about things that have not happened. Trying to understand things that may not have an answer either In the moment or at all . There is an invisible effort involved in all of this, and its exhausting and I’m not sure how to resolve this issue without resorting to bad habits like smoking . When I sleep, I am temporarily released from myself.there is no need to hold myself together. For those hours, the constant internal subconscious activity becomes quiet. Maybe that is why I need more sleep lately.

It has everything to do with it . What’s the value of repeating “‘ nothing ultimately matters “ all the time, when in your actual approach to life, you live as though things like survival, comfort , happiness etc matter to you ? it’s not what you blabber that has any relevance. It’s your actual lifestyle day to day , there is no value whatsoever to the statement “nothing ultimately matters” except being used as an excuse for escaping negative experiences and emotions.

Keep in mind that we don’t know you or your level of actual success and experience with women to be able to assess your qualifications of being an online dating guru .

Bring Nahm back ffs.

But you don’t live your life and behave in it as if nothing matters. Right ?

So what you’re saying is it’s okay to kill animals and eat their meat because those animals are not sentient and they don’t experience pain? thats a load of crap.