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In his mind there is a meaningful difference between God and Godliness. He rejects Anthropomorphism of god . Maybe in your mind this is just a word game .

God is what is . That’s Ramana Maharashi’s answer.

Osho rejects the god which is a separate creator old guy sitting in the cloud . And he is true there is no God if that’s what’s meant by god in the minds of most people. That’s all.

Don’t you see the contradiction? At least the urge arises because of both me and you in this scenario? Not just me.

Yes the future offers infinite possibilities but it is not without limits. For instance no human can see beyond the Andromeda Galaxy with the naked eye.. we require a telescope. That is a clear limitation. In that sense the future cannot be said to be completely open to unlimited possibilities. It’s either random or determined. I can’t think of a third possibility. If the physical universe operates according to fixed laws of physics..then the idea of absolute free will is totally absurd. The sun rises and sets according to predictable patterns. The seasons follow a regular cycle. Even the processes within our own bodies are governed by biological and physical laws that function beyond our conscious control. If everything in nature unfolds according to such laws..then our choices are also part of that same chain of causation.

I agree . But I will say that knowing and being are two different domains. You could write a whole library of books describing a sunset scientifically or poetically but to see the sunset is a totally different story. Yes we can create models that describe accurately how partial parts of reality works but we can never address the question of what is reality with models or concepts . Because concept is concept and direct experience is direct experience.

Good question. I hope it’s not boring discussing the free will vs fatalism. you were born as a human male .. do you remember prior to your birth as that that you chosed that instead of being born as a female kangaroo ?

Thank you for opening up . Appreciate your honesty . I totally relate with “nobody knows jack shit “ but I also think that’s regarding the absolute nature of things .. obviously FBI agents know how to use guns..obviously labor workers know to build an apartment etc . I struggled with this absolute not knowing myself for a long time . I only realized that that’s just regarding the absolute nature of things ..it has nothing to do with handling my practical life . Also there is really nothing worth worrying or overwhelming yourself over in this life. If you’ve got your basic human needs met and you are healthy then stick your middle finger towards the whole world. Just live a mundane life and not achieving anything grandiose and focus on meditation and finding out the truth about yourself aka awakening. You know the awakening business is not a scam..there is actual insight that occurs into who you really are that transforms your life and the way of your perspective on your life ..suffering. etc . Enlightenment ofc is not gonna fix anything in your life ..it just gonna show you that there is nothing to fix. I know this sounds like cliche but it’s true . There is literally nothing to fix . You are completely free . An important insight I personally had is that I'm exactly right now in the place I'm supposed to be ..in the exact condition I'm supposed to be..its not particularly a very exciting condition but I know not a single atom in the world is out of place. I wouldn't mind living a luxurious life ..I would pick a millionaire role over a beggar anytime ..but in the end ..Whether I'm a millionaire..billionaire..zillionaire ....I mean there is nothing to do and nowhere to go . These are not spiritual bypassing or escaping life ..it’s true . I don’t settle for anything less the brutally dead honest truth.

This is disappointing to read . Don’t sell yourself short . You just said YOU ARE GOD..the greatest things EVER. Do you feel death anxiety as you getting older or trying to medicate some existential crisis you’re going thorough with spiritual beliefs or am I misunderstanding something? Because this is not the first time you say things like this .

@Yimpa what are you ?

sure 👍. I just hope I was able to communicate my point clearly . yes you could say God is consciousness or God is Nirvana ..but this doesn’t mean we really know what god is . Because god is also infinity . It’s akin to trying to insert or fit the larger into the smaller . Like trying to take the whole universe and say what it is with words . I hope the analogy is clear enough. It’s really simple . I’m not saying god cannot be understood at all . I’m saying god cannot be understood fully .

Leo is more radical still he was finished with this when you where your mother was singing you pretty little baby Leo is hilarious 😍😂

@Mellowmarsh cute but the two things are not contradicting. Yes you are me and I’m you and we are god ..but what is god though ? the point I made here is that existence is infinite . The infinite cannot be defined or quantified or measured or understood in finite words . existence is infinite . It has no beginning or end neither in space nor in time. We are inside an infinite 3D VR universe and you want me or Leo or some spiritual guru to tell you the whole thing as a bedtime story it is simply impossible. Nobody can do it . Nobody will .

I listened to this last night and man this man speaks directly to your soul and gives you the bottom line regarding complex issues that irritate every human and especially those of us who are on this path .Hope you guys listen and benefit from this. Also if you listened feel free to discuss or ask questions regarding what’s said in the satsang .

God is said to be infinite for example. This means it cannot be known fully . How can something infinite be contained or explicated fully in a finite knowledge ? Like reading the Bible and Quran and Heart Sutra and Upanishad and all the books that talk about god can never fully comprehend infinity .