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@James123 what's happening right now is literally impossible. Glad you got it

"You did not ask to come to this earth, you did not ask to be a male or a female ,you did not ask to go through the experiences you are going through in this life ,whether they are good or bad ,yet,here you are going through certain experiences . Yet,you are arrogant enough to believe that you have the ability to change those experiences. Your entire life was preordained before you came to this earth .the day you will be born into this body ,the experiences you are going to go through ,and the day you are going to leave this body . this sounds weird to most people because they didn't investigate this deeply enough .they didn't turn within ,where Truth resides ,to discover their true nature and the meaning of life . Most people are just born ,they go through a certain conditioning and upbringing, they follow a certain religion, they work in a certain job,they live in certain cities, and they spend their lives trying to accumulate lots of money ,or striving for being maximally healthy, or to look as good as they can . And yet ,life passes through them,they get older and older, they get sick ,and they die . And that's the end of that .before they know it they will be six feet under the ground . The only freedom you will ever get is when you dive deep within silence, when you transcend the universe, your body ,and your life . " -from the collected works which were compiled by his devotees.

It's comforting to see how clueless everyone is. So I'm not alone in this existential madness.

@Javfly33 define "absolute ".

Wrong .that's totally backwards . The absolute is being imagined by you as an experience .experience did not and does not come from anywhere. Don't believe me ? If you actually bothered to LOOK and check your direct experience you will see this clearer. Then that would also be saying too much. So why are you biased towards the absolute? you are leaving it as a superposition of "there is existence without experience and existence with experience ". And what im telling you stop philosophizing and check direct experience. There is no existence without experience. Come the fuck on.

Great! Do you know that that's the most important and profound question in all of spirituality...religion...science..and philosophy? Basically why the fuck does anything exist at all ? Check my thread here : Anything said or spoken or written will always remain partial and limited. As existence is Limitless for our present configuration and dimension.. it may remain beyond our comprehension and understanding FOR EVER..AND FOR EVER. YOU already are the unconditional pre-existing condition FOR A QUESTION TO EMERGE. So..you are already the ANSWER.

There is nothing but experience. Check! The absolute is less real than experience.even If the absolute is god..I don't care ..God is less real than my five senses . You are sacrificing direct experience for a thought story .

Which part that 🤯 shocked you the most ?

Oh interesting to know about you . So how's America been as of late? And keep it 😯hush shush..how to get a green card ? I want to get the hell out of India ASAP

@Princess Arabia I only today knew that you're American by that thread in the health section. I thought you were African. 😂

Make America happy again 🙏

Aren't experiences part of existence? What is existence if its not an experience? For starter ..the word "absolute " literally means that which has no opposition. So existence is absolute because by definition non-existence does not exist . So how can my human experience right now of existence not be absolute? Where do you find a " must "? Is there a holy book that says what you ought to do ? There are no musts in existence.

Dude look..get to the point please..I don't like playing endless Zen Coans and riddles..what is your main point?

Sure ! That's correct. Self Inquiry is trying to arrive at what "you " are existentially by studying direct experience without further preconceived beliefs.

It's easy to say shit like this but do you actually live up to that ? If you have a job in the morning or a class or meetings or whatever..don't you set the alarm before going to bed ?

@Hojo i noticed that about your posts . You are unorganised and you use poor grammar and punctuation. read some actual philosophy. Stuff people say is 'philosophical' rarely is. Philosophy isn't just 'super deep thoughts man'. It's an attempt to construct rigorous arguments about fundamental questions. Consider your motive in an honest light. Do you write this stuff because you think it's important and true..or because you want to be perceived as deep and philosophical? I wrote a lot of deep shit on this forum but at least half of my motive was wanting other people to think I was deep. This leads me to conclude most of what I was writing was probably bullshit. Whereas..sometimes I'd just write something I considered to be fundamentally true.. and other people incidentally considered it me being "philosophical."

Here you said there is no such thing as the whole story . What I mean by "stories" is assumptions and beliefs..like : -other people have consciousness -the world exists when I am not perceiving it -I’m smarter than most people -I will die -I am a human -I’m not dreaming -What scientists say is provable -If I don’t eat food I will die -my parents are my parents -I was born -my memories of past events are accurate -everything is made of atoms -I am more virtuous than most people -Tomorrow will happen -I’d be happy if I had what I think I want Now ...my question to you ..do you have beliefs like these or am u underestimating your wokeness ?

Thank you sir . I needed to hear something from this ilk . I recently came to know that same conclusions. That really happiness and peace of mind come from surrender to God. My mom is a deeply religious person .she has unshakeable faith in God. And even though we are going through some tough times recently she never lose her smile and serenity. She always tell me that you just be with God and you will be at peace that passeth understanding . Happiness is god alone. Life is god alone .nothing means anything without God. There is nothing beyond God or before God. If you didn't reach God yet ...then you are not alive ..and if you did..you are living forever.

it might be true but it isnt practical. Even if im god and all alone dreaming up reality ..everything in my relative existence goes against this . People will still call you a basket case if you told them you're God. But I understand that it can be a good escape when things get hectic and life is throwing lemons at you. Unless you are luicd in a dream..there is no use calling it a dream.

as in solipsism?

you didn't call those spiritual teachers "clowns "? And no . Enlightenment is surrendering to God. Just like the Islamic worship. I don't know exactly what you mean by " opening ". If we are not splitting hairs then we are talking about the same thing . Otherwise I'm waiting for you to clarify what you mean by that statement.

I'm not doubting him. In fact that's what I literally said ..that he has his own absolute conviction that he knows what's up and that Leo ..Sadhguru..Osho ..Peter Ralston ..Ranama Maharshi..Robert Adams are ignorant fools . All I say is that reality and truth are relative and perspectival . Is it 6 or 9?(see the picture below). Its both depending on where are you standing. And of course it's not just 6 or 9..if we Zoom into it we shall find all the numbers combined together in that symbol. So it's actually infinity. And only appears as 6 or 9 relative to the observation. The truth is not isolated. It's intertwined with the observer. When looking for the truth.. One should make a distinction between the Truth.. And his own truth. The Truth is always infinite. While one's own truth is one's own perspective and POV. Always partial Of course you are familiar with the parable of the elephant and the six blind men ... As Leo said "the elephant is infinity" its every possible perspective and POV that it can be looked at from.

Are you aware of something..that everyone lives in their own bubble reality? No two humans on the entire planet have the same perception of a chocolate bar ..let alone the nature of reality or what constitutes enlightenment. Some people think think enlightenment is simply realising the ego is illusory. Leo thinks it's about realizing that you are god . You think it's "opening your legs to the full glory of the existence "(whatever the hell that means ). I think its killing yourself mentally and surrendering your entire existence to god . Who's to determine which definition is correct? You ? That would be begging the question. Just truly to humble yourself and tone down your absolutist confidence in these matters .

I once asked Leo a question about how can you say that "reality is a dream "? Since everything Is just itself and not some other thing. Its a perfectly symmetrical tautology . Reality is reality. Nothing more .if you Hojo follow my posts I try to be epistemologically rigorous because of the tricky nature of language and the mind. And I have a suggestion to create more fruitful philosophical discussions on this forum: We must always be clear and concise in our language..so that philosophical discourse makes sense and the thoughts we converse about actually point to existing/comprehensible things in reality. (I know that that begs the question of who defines what "existing/comprehensible" things are.).. I say now that all of this existential Inquiries are infinite regressing phenomena that covers no ground.. precisely because there was no ground to cover in the first place. I am well aware that this is exceedingly radical.. but I'm going to write a few of my points like this : 1. All definitions are not definite. 2. All ideas are assumptions. 3. All ideas are beliefs. 4. All ideas refer to themselves and only themselves. Ideas exist in relation to other ideas. 5. Following premise 4.. ideas are all relative. 6. All ideas can be questioned in an infinitely regressing fashion. 7. All ideas are fundamentally groundless. To notice this for youself..you have to question whether or not you "know" anything at all. truth cannot be a belief. Which makes me conclude that truth cannot be an "idea".. Since all ideas are assumptions and beliefs that ultimately cover nothing. Many of you can probably point out contradictions or paradoxes from everything that I've said up until now. But what I'm saying is that paradox/contradiction is inherent to the nature of "meaning" and "definitions" and ultimately.. ideas. Not reality itself.