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I hope no one locks this and accuse me of mental masturbation. Thanks . I'm looking at the forum page right now .at the top there is a picture of Leo. At the bottom there is the list of members who are online. I'm perceiving this with my eyes . I close my eyes ..usually when I close my eyes I immediately experience a mental image of the last thing I just saw before closing my eyes .so I see a mental image of the forum page .that mental image has no objective existence except in my mind .I mean the mental image of the forum page . Now I look at the forum page again..Leo at the top ..online members list at the bottom. Memories arise and say :I just saw this page seconds ago and I'm seeing it again now ..the same page . Obviously it is not the same page ..simply because this is a totally new fresh moment of time .the first time I saw the page is now swallowed in the past forever. What does this imply? That that event that just happened seconds ago doesn't actually exist at all right now . Moving on ..all the time there are mental images popping in my mind. ..Leo..Natasha..youtube video I've watched earlier today . We call that daydreaming .none of that is actual . Its in the mind .you obviously do realize how much time you spend daydreaming ? Put on your headphones and listen to your favourite music album and immediately you are fantasising about a past scenario about yourself. OK. That image of yourself is not yourself. Because it is an image of yourself. Likewise the reflection of your face on the mirror is the reflection of your face in the mirror..it is not you . I hope this is clear . Stop reading and get it . Moving on ..spend just an hour without daydreaming .what exists ? Direct immediate existence. That is actual .here it is . Moving on..sit alone . My mom is in the next room . I don't see her right now . I see a mental image of her sitting in the other room .that is not the actual mother .there is no actual mother right now in direct experience..there is the mental image of her . A thought arises "my mother is in the next room ". That is not an actual mother ..that's a thought . "Yes sure but beyond the entire realm of thought there is an actual mother in the other room!". That ..is..a thought . I'm trying my best to reach outside my thoughts ..but the reaching outside of thoughts is thoughts . Moving on ..a question:just because an actual perception is not presently here and now means it doesn't exist at all in actual reality ? That's the million dollars question. An answer : well yeah that's literally what's happening. There is no escaping that if something is not here and now directly then it's imagined by me . "OK sure but it exists outside the imagination ".."well that Is me imagining that there is something beyond my imagining ". You follow ? So the point Is: you can't reach outside your mental world .if you stopped imagining or thinking ..there is no thing but what is directly present. actual existence is this . Any other place or time isn't actual existence. 🤷‍♂️

What begins must end . What was born must die. What didn't begin can't end .what was never born can never die .

You "completely break free " every night when you enter into deep sleep..at least temporarily. Deep sleep gives you a glimpse or a little taste of absolute freedom and obviously of formlessness and unconditional self. Yes ..right now I am a finite human being apparently. But I've had many glimpses in the past that being a limited form like that of a human is not the ultimate nature of myself ..and I'm sure you too have had.

Yes it is . "The truth shall set you free" instead of making you more attached to egoic tendencies . Truth is not about adding relative or conceptual knowledge to yourself..nothing wrong with that but that's just the opposite of enlightenment . The truth we are seeking is remembering our unconditioned state which is prior to our birth in these bodies . Because we are conditioned right now by being a body and a mind living in a world of lack and responsibilities and problems. All these things don't please or entertain anyone on this earth. Because it doesn't resonate with our unconditional self which is free of everything. And you won't find true fulfilment without remembering who you really are. By seeking more conditioned knowledge you are actually deepening your conditioning and bondage instead of breaking free.

Sure no worries..you will pay for the Shisha though 😂 Is that you escaping from answering my questions though ? Because I take that as "I don't know".

This gets us nowhere. Too absolutist . Use whatever term you want. You are apparently the VeganAwake human being living a very specific life with very meaningful events .almost like a novel or movie script. How does that fit into the big picture of existence or creation as a whole? Is it just coincidence? It doesn't appear like it is at all. They are concepts pointing to something which is NOT conceptual . The concept "the kingdom of heaven "that Jesus talks about in the Bible is a metaphore for awakening. You didn't answer the question. Why are you currently not a cow ? You don't know any of that for a fact . Humble yourself and admit you don't know what death is or what comes after it .

But this assumes the death of the body is the ultimate end of everything and there is no Karma or further incarnations. If so..then Why are you currently incarnated in that body doing what you're doing living that specific life going through those certain experiences and why I'm having mine and not yours? It's our karma. Why are you not currently living the life of a cow in a slaughter shop? You don't literally believe after death its just eternal darkness? Even science doesn't say this anymore .countless evidence that conscious experience survives the death of the body. Look into near death experiences.

Your fear is irrational because entering sleep and waking are not under your conscious control. There is no on and off switch you click on to go from sleeping to dreaming to waking up .it happens by itself and gradually.

Which is a very big reason to take action ASAP towards fixing your relationship with everyone you know. Whatever evil they did to you (or vice versa ) is not really worth having any hatfulness between each other. We are all one in the end .

Sadhguru is not a real guru . He is a celebrity guru. He doesn't teach actual spirituality like what Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta Maharshi did. He has turned spirituality into a business. Never resonated with him. And Leo is a philosopher..intellectual and spiritual teacher combined .not your stereotypical guru either .

OK maybe every once in a while ...Maybe providing further explanation why he thinks this is full of shit ..maybe adding a friendly emoji to ensure that we are just friends at the same level . The other thing is this is not the first time. They both troll Leo a lot .and yes the bottom line is obviously Leo is more developed than them and us . So does that mean this is a cult or echochamber ? No. But Leo is the "head coach ". We are "students ". Logically it must follow we treat him with humble. In a reasonable way ofc.

Like flat out insulting him like Carl's comment above without providing more context . Why should that be done ? Listen . Please stop .let's not derail the topic and create drama .

Look at it like this. There is always a million things to complain about in your life .you jump out of one hardship to the next. That's life . Anyone suggesting otherwise is fooling himself. The point is there is a logical reason for being hurt if you did experience sexual abuse as a child . My point is this : fuck logic .fuck your past . Forgive the person who raped you .It's a choice of choosing happiness instead of misery. Assume you were abused in childhood..so what are you going to do ? The past is the past. Can't change that .but you can change your present and future . What are you going to do ? Crawl up in a corner for the rest of life ? That's no good life . You realize within yourself first that you are unconditional love . You then forgive others no matter how badly they hurt you .that's the teaching of Jesus right? But when I say it why is it implausible to you ? Maybe because you enjoy crawling up in a corner and crying ? Fine .you do you .

Also while we are at it and this is completey off topic but I want to express this. Carl and my buddy UnbornTao are really getting used to Leo. I sense a lot of arrogance in their writing .I mean they are brilliant but tone down the "too cool for school " thingy with Leo. He has no time to post neat language stuff so he just speaks in a language that a kid can understands .like imagine the pressure he has to mod a bunch of kids basically and handle trolls and create content etc. Another thing which I have to spit publicly is Natasha is too rigid. She says its not personal but that she tries to keep a healthy atmosphere and high quality discourses between members. But I do think sometimes she takes it personally. She erases almost any comments targeted at her with cristism. She is over-moding. Nothing personal against her or Carl or anyone but I'm not satisfied with this behaviour in all honesty . Just expressing myself.

You and UnbornTao are getting used to Leo. You don't have to do it this way, you know that ?

But you can't take him seriously that's the point he is a little cheeky and devilish that's the style he chooses to express himself.

Not at all. You claim you know the absolute answer to the big questions. You said that . In short paragraph: what is existence? Why is it here ? Go ahead .

I'm not saying you are saying I'm wrong or that psychology is BS .

Sorry if I'm derailing the thread or getting too excited lol.

I'm not a toddler to not understand this .you got this one and everyone gets this cuz that's what society tells you to do. I'm offering the other perspective..can you understand that there is no such thing as traumatic in "actuality " ? There was a huge crime that happened back in 2007 in America (not sure but I took it from Sam Harris). Two criminals robbed a house and killed two little girls and stole all the money and then tied their parents to the bed and burned them alive and the entire house . The criminals weren't arrested because they both committed suicide soon after the incident because probably they went "okay why on earth should anyone do that "?. They actually wrote a suicide note saying that they regret what they did . Can you tell me what did you understand from this story ?

No it's not like that "oh I was raped when I was a kid and I'm cursed forever therefore I backward rationalise that and kinda use "unconditional love " as a coping mechanism to deal with the deep uncureable hurt inside of me". I mean you could do that .many people do that. But it doesn't have to always be that way. There is actually seeing things as they are without adding any narrative. This doesn't require so much work actually.

Another thing is this can't be understood from the relative perspective. No psychology can explain how this can be . And I'm speaking of myself here not Leo. He didn't male it clear as day as to whether he was molested or not .I certainly didn't. But I was shat upon (metaphorically) when I was a kid .because I had very weak physique couldn't fight with bullies. I'm now improved physically because I understand the game of life is played at the relative level .but at the relative level is exactly that..just games . The Absolute just sits there doing nothing .

After you awaken deepley..All parts of you will improve. It's amazing how it works. You stop seeing evil. First you stop seeing evil in yourself, you sort of forgive yourself for all of your mistakes. It's like being born again and then you can forgive everybody else, totally, completely. You become free, unlearn everything and you feel your omnipresence. You realize you are not yourself as a person, you are the Self as the universe. Okay I was tempted to post this comment as my own writing but this is a quote by Robert Adams. Love you Leo. I understand exactly what you're saying. I actually I'm not lying I find it hilarious to even judge anyone anymore . Im not lying or trynna come off as christ or Smth but that's where I'm at my journey and there is no going back to judging others even if they want to kill me. Obviously my body will resist a serial killer's trying to kill me but what I mean is anyone who's actually had insight into how self works and how consciousness works in individuals or how karma works or how free will works or how unconditional love works is just gonna know that judging people even if they double anal bang you is just absurdity.

@Cred I know but what I'm saying is you haven't figured out anything. Your so called answer to the question of " how did it all began?" Is just philosophical schemes and mental models. It doesn't answer the question. In this work there is one fundamental existential question at the heart of it all..what the fuck is happening now? This is basically the question. What is your answer exactly? You creating logical maps is only getting you in the wrong direction. Every word you speak is getting you in the wrong direction .because I'm asking what is THIS? Look at your screen now ..I'm asking what is this screen ? You can't answer that question with anything you say .

That's not what I'm saying . I clearly stated that some theories or "maps " are more accurate or more representative of actual reality than others. If you say reality is made out of mathematical equations then that's just false but it's close to actual reality because at some level it is made of math .but if you say reality is made out of bananas then that's hocus pocus. So not any and every theory is off the mark . Some are definitely more accurate and truer than others . The point is still ..a theory is a theory. What is a theory made out of ? Concepts ..thoughts..words..symbols. and this amounts to nothing substantial or actual . That's what I meant.