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I addressed this point already. Our ancestors lived a natural life . They hunt and eat and sleep as soon as sun sets .they meet face to face and they marry . Now everything is artifical and fake . You will definitely change your mind once you get it that we are social animals and we do need each other's. We are social creatures .man needs woman and woman needs man. There is literally no other purpose to life at the physical level other than survive and reproduce . So let's say you become rich and successful..you've handled basic survival needs .what now ? First thing that should pop in your head is "time to have a girlfriend or wife ". Its precisely because of all the suffering women ebdure to birth a child and raise them that they want children more than men. Imagine a fucking living breathing human creature literally emerging out of your womb 😂..you will literally love it more than you love yourself . Victim mentality.

What fuss exactly? Let's assume for a moment that you are correct ..doesn't that actually a point in my case which I'm claiming here (that marriage is an important factor of living the good life )? What differentiates us from animals and cave men thousands of years ago ? Of course I'm aware that we are not living in the 50s anymore and that it's 2025 already and marriage is not needed to have sex or have a romantic partner or even to have kids legally (in some countries it does though ). But like I said ever since I started visiting my sister's husband and kids I changed my mind . I used to think wtf is wrong with married people but your outlook in life might change as you grow and gain life experience. You don't want to die alone when it's time to "go" right? Because women want children more than men. Women need a man to take responsibility of them and protcect them. Men want to fuck and done ,run away 😂 But still there is obvious benefit and elevation of your quality of life and level of maturity if you become a father and work to feed your kids . You might not be able to see this in a young inexperienced age though . Bro you sound like an antinatalist nihilistic guy.

So you seriously believe that married people would just get married to show-off for other people "oooh look how cute and happy we are together holding each other's hands "? Also if we stopped having kids then human race will go extinct. I don't blame you though .I was thinking exactly like you when I was 17 yo.

I must say as well the first few days were full on hell landscape. I use cigarettes to cope with stress . Like when I go to buy bread and I have to cut through crowded hungry mofos to buy the freshly baked bread I need to chew on a 🚬 and blow some steam outta my chest to deal with the absolute nonsense of society.

@theleelajoker OK but why are you talking like this ?😂 ❤️

@UnbornTao @Natasha Tori Maru thank you guys for supporting me . Appreciate it . And btw sorry for ignoring your comments in the thread about suffering. I did so because I feel like we need to tackle one point at a time ,instead of Bombarding each other's with tons of unrelated questions . Much love 🙏.

One week clean. I'm feeling better overall. I realized that cigarettes make me happy temporarily. Only during smoking and afterwards few minutes. But in the rest of the day it makes me cough and kills my appetite for food and other kinds of nasty side effects . Whereas sobriety makes me joyfully physically and also emotionally I don't experience worry or overthinking about the health consequences and fear of getting cancer .

People with chronic pain and zero hope to improve do in fact kill themselves.

Are you open that there is more to spirituality than seeing through the illusion of separation and ego ? Leo was talking about this during the inception of this forum back in 2016. So none of this contradicts Leo's spirituality but the thing you can't stop at that and think you've figured existence out .there is more insights to have ..isn't that obvious to you ?

Yes . I'm of course aware of the multidimensional nature of suicide . It's not just that people believe life is pointless. Some people are suicidal because they have chronic diseases or disorders or unbearable physical pain. And I'm sorry that I didn't cover this point in my post ..because I don't have an experience with this so I chose to refrain from addressing this kind of situations that could make a person wants to kill himself/herself. Thanks for your comment .

@ivankiss dude just realize nobody knows you or gives two squats about what you say . People don't even read any posts other than their own. Zero attention span to finish a poem . Chill out and practice existing .

Solipsism is both the most genius truth ever and the most childish belief ever .

@Salvijus I obviously have not the first clue what you are like in real life (I know your physical appearance, but I mean personality) but I'm judging based on your posts on this forum . You're only lacking letting go of Jesus daddy .😂

@Salvijus I like you mate. I wish I could have some degree of your weird mix of coolness and lightheartedness and wisdom .🙏.

Any form of evil individually or collectively is satanism. Your egoic pride and thinking you are superior to others or better than them because you think you are smarter than them or richer than them is individual satanic behaviour. Porn is an example of collective satanic business. Also corrupt politicians. Cigarette industry. Alcoholic beverages industry. Etc

Even then ..he needs to feed himself and his children.

In the name of Allah..the compassionate, the merciful.

Thank you for saying this . That's basically my point .

You are describing exactly what I said about suffering physically is unavoidable but you don't need to suffer mentally by thinking and concocting stories about your existence which I already said I understand and agree with .

I understand what ralston means even though I haven't read the book. He says your life can be full of stress and proplems but you can dissociate and realize you don't suffer emotionally .and I agree you can transcend emotional suffering to a great degree . But physical? Impossible. If you are hungry you are suffering. And you need to eat or you will die from hunger and rot in hell .

That's totally fine .like I said I have put the horse before the cart by pursuing consciousness work instead of working on basic survival stuff . But you do you . Obviously there is also validity to abandoning marriage altogether and just enjoying your romantic and sexual life as a live in or just changing your girlfriend every once in a while..but that just doesn't resonate with me at the moment.

Reaching 29 next December. I'm not sure what you mean by Karma in this context. But obviously yes I'm not ready at the moment to start a family .I need to fulfil some basic things first In Maslow's hierarchy of needs like financial stability first and foremost. Before I got interested in marriage I was thinking I would simply make money and travel around the world and sleep around with any girls I want . Now that I think about it more deeply I realize its immature path .

The question of what happens after your so called body so called dies. In Christian religion you get judgement by God and either go to heaven or to hell . I'm sure you know that . Yes it's not experience of truth .it's a belief. But the point being made by OP is that he verified the belief by saying "God showed me hell". We're shit out of luck I guess cause God didn't show us . Idk. Ask him. He seems to be confused and can't make sense of what he himself has experienced. But in the end point is that he did experience something.

@UnbornTao keep in mind religion is all about giving absolute final answers to the big existential questions. Religious folks don't like questioning because if they question their religion the entire house of cards will collapse in no time . He literally told you he had an out of body experience and heared a voice which he labeled as God or Jesus that this is the afterlife and this i heaven and this is hell . What do you make of that claim? He didn't prove it to us or others but he says he has seen undeniable poof of it to himself .

@ExploringReality you've got a great heart man. It's disappointing that Leo is so shy and introverted (even in his own "place") to know how to respond with etiquette to such things. And maybe its not shyness but he enjoys being a kind of smug . A very mysterious dude.