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Yeah so hate is love. Murder is love. Rape is love. Death by cancer is love. Me denying love is love. This has to he the most meaningless concept then. If you are being raped or suffering immensely what would calling your suffering love help or change? If it doesn't change anything then what's the point of calling it "love"? Also I don't follow "everything is. and hate is. Therefore hate is love". Just what did you do there?

For the same reason you feel disappointed and empty after achieving any goal you desire. And no matter how strongly you believe doing X will make you happy it won't. It doesn't quite fill that void inside of you. Doesn't matter if it's making this huge amount of money or buying this nice house or marrying this attractive person or traveling to this amazing place or taking that dope ass drug etc. You always end up craving for more. Plain and simple fact of life.. Nothing external will make you happy. Desire is never satisfied because it's ever-renewed. And any limited satisfaction no matter how great it is.. Is just a limited temporary satisfaction. The moment it vanishes it's as if it never even occurred. Leaving you just craving for more. There will never be enough. That's why the only thing that will make you happy is just being present with whatever is present and appreciating it. Because if you don't appreciate what you have now you will not appreciate what you have in the future. And really you don't have to even appreciate anything. you just have to realize happiness is an illusion because everything is an illusion and that realization Will set you free. And only absolute freedom is happiness because it's who you are existentially.

@roopepa well the thing is you can't force love. Love has to be a genuine force. A lot of people are depressed suicidal..etc . They don't love who they are. Because we have expectations of what we should be and how the world should be etc. You can't really love yourself or the world unconditionally. If you did you would be dead. You obviously need to hate hunger if you wish to survive as the illusory organism that you think you are. What you can do is approach higher and higher levels of unconditional acceptance and love for yourself and the world by getting rid of the expectations and what you think you should be to be worthy of love. You won't be perfectly self- loving as long as you think you are a self. Because the very force that drives the movement of your life is "there is something wrong somehow with My current situation and I gotta go do something". But you can be more self-loving by seeing through this conditioning.

The path that leads to less suffering is the path that leads to truth.

Everything is exactly as it is. If reality was a flat picture appearing as a three dimensional space..how could you walk through it? Can you walk through an appearance of a three dimensional movie world on a flat TV screen?.??. I'm not sure why is this so important to you btw lol

Yes. But not even. Consciousness IS the rock IS the people. It's not that people carry away a conciousness like how they carry away a bag and a rock doesn't Carry it away.. The people and the rocks are "made of" consciousness. You think you are a human body with consciousness. Actually you are pure conciousness misidentifying itself with a limited appearance inside itself.

Ofcourse these are words. To write anything it gotta be concepts. Duh lol. But you gotta stop looking at the finger and raise your head up to the moon. All I can do is point. Ofcourse I'm still suffering generally speaking. If I'm experiencing a tooth ache I will be in pain. Awakening doesn't turn you into a super human. It just makes you see everything as it is.

That's Duality. There is no " experience "going on here. As in a separate experiencer experiencing stuff outside of itself. These are three separate things : the experiencer +the experience +the process of experiencing Nonduality means there is only one unbroken actuality. The experiencer and the experienced are one diffused thing. Look at a piece of paper. You're it. You're not experiencing it. There is no boundaries between you and your experience. You are the experience. You are the entire world. Everything that exists is you. You are omnipresent. From this perspective.. No one is there. Neither you nor other people. Because these are flimsy imaginary boundaries your mind impose on boundless consciousness.

Cigarettes? Lol

Ofcourse as long as you imagine there is such thing as "anyone" who possess a permanent unchanging object called "understanding". Sure I get it from relative perspective but what is being pointed at is subtle. If you happend to live up to the age of 150 which is very rare you will observe everything you ever understood about reality evaporating due to decaying brain. Like it never even happened.

@LastThursday exactly. There is a subtle difference between solipsism and nonduality .

No one is conscious. This is the most absurd duality of them all. People don't have consciousness. Consciousness have people (not even).

"Find what you love and let it kill you." It's a quote but I forgot who said it.

You don't come to understand there is nothing to understand. You come to understand there is no you to understand anything. And ofcourse once you understand that you will realize you didn't understand it because there wasn't any you to understand that there isn't any you. And if you understand what I'm saying you will understand that indeed there is nothing to understand. Saying there is nothing to understand is identical to saying you already understand everything by being it. It's all self-understanding itself . The seeking for rational understanding which is inherently limited is to dwell deeper in delusion. When the subject - object duality collapses.. You come to realize you are what you seek to understand. There is no longer anything outside of yourself that needs to be understood. You are being it.

What morality? The morality of ancient Roman times? Or the morality of ancient Greek? Or ancient Egypt? Or the 21st century western culture? Morality is relative. Good and bad are relative and subjective. The same act can be perfectly moral in the USA.. If you do it in India its immoral.. And if you do it in the middle east you might die!! When you are enlightened you've seen through all the games of the mind. Morality is a big one. All conditioning drops. You see everything as perfect and inevitable just the way it is. You don't become more compassionate or less compassionate. From your pov you cease to exist. And whatever appears to be done via your body-mind will be THAT doing what it does.

What you call consciousness is what they call matter. Both new age mysticism and materialism are stuck in duality........ It's like either we have unexplainable free floating mystical consciousness.. Without anything sourcing it.. Or we have dumb lifeless matter that gives arise to an appearance of consciousness. There is only one fundamental reality either way. If there is something underneath consciousness it will be consciousness. If consciousness arises from matter.. That means matter is potentially consciousness. It's the same thing at the end. I don't get what the hustle is about lol.

There is nothing to understand. Indeed. Not your ordinary folk is gonna get such deep insight. Only someone who has gone through it all. It might be a good place for you to start by recognizing that you don't understand anything. Never did. Never will. Another step which can also illuminate the first step.. Is try to draw the boundary between what you think is you and what you think is the thing that you are understanding.

Try to see it without seeing it.

From my own experience.. The only thing you need to know is............. there is something within you right now that is always the same across your whole life.. Past present and future.. It was here before you were born.. It will continue to be here after you die.. It never began to be.. It will never cease to be.. No beginning no ending.. No time.. Just eternally ever presently so.... That is who you are. And that is ultimately the only real thing. Find that thing and you will need not to find anything else.

To quote Leo. : "It's absolutely infinte.. It's absolutely infinte...its absolutely infinite you don't understand.. There is no way you can understand this ".

Yes there is no one who sits and meditate. But still it happens. @Nahm Not being rude. I'm honestly having a hard time understanding what you are saying. If any it's I guess general pointing to internal mechanics of intentions and so forth etc.. But you didn't address the topic in hand. Instead just reverted to my "intentions". So whatever.

@Fran11 back at ya.

@Fran11 Lol ok ok fine no worries no worries.......... But there is nobody concentrating.

What lol? I'm making this point since forever lol The thinking process can take up different routes. That's obvious enough. BUT it is completely random and chaotic. There is no possibility of organizing the thinking process in a concrete direction. Because that's the very nature of thoughts they are chaotic and random.

"The feeler of feelings is a feeling.. The thinker of thoughts is a thought". -Alan watts. This is duality. Awareness is not aware of thoughts. Awareness is the thought. Again you substituted the ego with awareness. Consider when a thought arises.. You are the thought.. You are not aware of it and nothing else (awareness) is aware of it. It is just free floating. Except that doesn't make any sense. It might be true to say "it can happen". The thinking process itself can definitely take up different routes. But to say "you can do it even though there is no you" doesn't make sense right?