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Why do you care? If i told you that I highly dislike you..why would that upset you? The solution is stop giving a shit about what others think about you.
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Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What's all the drama about? ? -
Nihilism is a philosophy of life which says that nothing matters. That all of existence is simply pointless and empty of any objective meaning.. Purpose or value. There are many different types of nihilists. The most common ones from what I can tell are existential nihilist.. who deny that there is an inherent meaning in life.. and moral nihilist.. who deny that there is an inherent morality. These types of people claim that such concepts are not universal and far from objective. In the realization that these concepts do not exist in reality.. the only sensible way I can see to get through these problems is to create your own morality or meaning in life. There are many other kinds of nihilists as well.. such as epistemlogical nihilist.. who claim that the acquisition of knowledge is impossible. Ideas like good and evil.. right and wrong.. value.. meaning.. worth etc. are often treated as objective ideas but if you were to observe nature that's divorced from human society.. none of those qualities are intrinsic to it. Such ideas are ultimately born from the human consciousness.. and thus dependent on it. Thus they are reliant entirely on the mind that thinks them. making them subjective. And hold zero value objectively. The mindset of a nihilist.. at least in my experience.. is one of progression. They can see what (they perceive) is true and false.. and they abandon the falsities and move forward in the knowledge of the truth. Many existential nihilists abandon what society or some other organization objectifies as "meaningful" or "successful" and makes of it what they will. To some nihilists.. All that matters is the quality of the present moment.. Cuz that's all there is. So often they are open to hedonism.. Chasing what gives them immediate pleasure might be a preferable way of doing life since it's all a big meaningless vanity in the end.
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Yes and no. To different degrees. Just like everyone else as @bejapuskas said.
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@Nahm @Gesundheit it's a simple question.. Do you believe that there is an inherent objective meaning to existence? If not then you are a nihilist.. If yes.... Well apparently that's not correct because the meaning is projected by the individual and not inherent in reality. Being is meaningless and that's not negative because negative is still meaning. It's just meaningless.
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@Gesundheit who gets to decide?? Me or you or that dog? That's why I say meaning is "subjective".
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@Gesundheit OK sorry for that. Maybe because it was a bit lengthy. Could you summarize the point you're making? What do you mean by absolute meaning? About meaningless being meaningful or meaningless??? Yeah it goes full circle and then it collapse into being which is neither meaningful nor meaningless.
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Also.. A question that nihilists rise is what's the point of life? What's the purpose of your individual existence? Aside from fulfilling your biological needs...... What the hell are you doing here? ?
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@Gesundheit I'm not advocating nihilsm. I'm asking for your opinion on it. I think a good way to treat it is When you look at the context of all ideas of right and wrong.. justice.. value.. morals.. etc. It's all subjective in a true sense. However.. nihilism shouldn't be the end of the road for people I think. So.. ultimately life is pointless.. there is no meaning or value to anything. But we have the rare condition of conciousness.. we can "give" it meaning.. we can give it value and we can make systems to make it worthwile. So.. in a sense we can create something out of nothing and be our own gods. Values can be set upon an objective petri dish and measured and observed. Yet without losing sight of the fact that it's all subjective (made up).
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Someone here replied to Blackhawk's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Completely relative.. Subjective.. And fluid. -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Loba why all this rage? What's your issue? Are you going through tough times emotionally? -
You create your own purpose and values and meaning (or you don't) while being aware that you are creating it (making it up). That is if you are an existential nihilist. If you are an ordinary person.. You borrow the meaning from religions and or an outside authority that you don't question (because you are not conscious enough to question your beliefs). For a nihilist.. there is no "objective" meaning flying around and that's true. and a nihilist generally doesn’t try to find a subjective meaning to life either. But here is a contradiction.. if you are alive.. that means you have found some reason to live.. something that makes life preferable to death. It is impossible to (rationally) live without a reason because we all suffer and feel pain. Without any reason to endure suffering a rational person would commit suicide.. and cease to live. So as a nihilist.. you can recognise that there is no inherent meaning to life.. and any meaning we create for ourselves is an illusion and a distraction from the truth and finding a meaning in life still doesn’t change anything on an existential level; you will die.. cease to exist and forget everything. But for a nihilist to live.. they have to have some reason.. it might not be concrete or specific, it may be complex or they have decided just to live for the sake of it. Why should it matter if anything matters objectively anyway? Try to detach from the need for meaning.
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Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Loba @Loba My love.. Just gtfo. -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Loba Aren't you the one who just spam people's journals and PMs with this sort of silly personal judgment and getting toxic in analyzing their personalities when you don't even know them??? Nah hard to take you seriously sorry. Next! -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Loba ey buddy why toxic? U mad? -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
A model or a theory could be flawed because it's conceptual in nature. Actual Truth cannot be flawed because it's not a concept to begin with. -
Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Javfly33 is nonduality Truth? Is nonduality itself an experience? Or a belief? Or idea? What if nonduality is not the truth? What if everything you ever been told is a lie? Take responsibility for finding truth. How do you know what is true? Who told you? How can you trust anyone whatsoever including me right now? -
From what I understand.. nihilism rejects any sort of 'objective' meaning of life. So since there's nothing objectively meaningful to bind us together ideologically.. each individual should decide what his/her "purpose" is. Nothing is intrinsically good or bad because of some omnipotent moral authority. Meaning does exist. . For a person if he decides to create it. But no such meaning exists objectively out in the world.
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@tatsumaru @IAmReallyImportant Most people are nihilists but they don't realize it. Nihilism is ontological - it is about rejecting what is and affirming what is not. Most people do this on a daily basis because recognizing what is is hard to do.. hard to accept.. And most importantly hard on the ego. How many people do you know are intellectual lazy and personally vain? That's how many nihilists you know.
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It's right and wrong. technically there is no "real" meaning in life or existence.. but the fact that it happens at all provides meaning in itself. The most easiest and basic example would be humanity. There was no reason for our existence (none that we can prove.. at least) and yet here we are. And the fact that we are here provides us some sort of foundation with which to reason the meaning of our existence. if you follow what I'm sayin. Creating meaning is inevitable yet there is no 'objective' meaning. I mean simply because meaning is something your mind is creating and projects into the world (so is purpose and value).
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Nihilism isn't quite wrong in that there is no real meaning to anything of itself.. but why should that change anything? Giving things meanings is kind of what we do as humans. Really it's all kind of relative to our existence.. in terms of who we are with.. where we are.. and how long we'll be here. You often sense meaning in something in that it means something to someone or something that has meaning to you. Nothing has meaning of itself.. but in existence there is meaning. There is no cosmic thing of meaning.. it just is.. but in being there is meaning. We're all in life together so there's kind of meaning in everything. Like this answer.. it doesn't mean much to anyone of itself but it does in that someone may or may not be reading it. That doesn't matter.. it doesn't mean anything.. but it also kind of does. This probably only makes sense to me.. but that doesn't really mean anything right?
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I think.. personally that the feeling of Nihilism and Existentialism is strongly distinct from the philosophical ideas they raise. Nihilism itself.. by definition states that certain knowledge.. or aspects of reality do not exist. When most people say they are Nihilists they usually mean they are Existential Nihilists which is that life has no meaning and any attempt to create meaning is a sad and deluded affair. At this point you will begin to see the muddling of philosophy with the psychological anxiety that is often present when people discover the lack of objective meaning.
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@Null Simplex nihilist detected lol.
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Someone here replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Oh? Would like to know how did you arrive to that conclusion? -
Someone here replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Find out for yourself. Don't ask me
