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@Nak Khid don't worry. Psychedelics are not easily obtained by any one. To obtain them a lot of research must he done first. And you will come across information regarding the risks of it. So I think most people are mindful of the potential risks of taking psychedelics.

What is anything? What is is? What is what? (these are serious questions.. Try to answer them). You can keep pushing the question further and further to infinity and beyond and it won't end. To answer what is X? Just look at it directly and there is your answer. For example :what is the sun?. Go read thousands of pages explaining what is the sun and you will still not know what it is ultimately. The very "isness" of the sun is a total mystery that cannot be unraveled . Same with everything else . With all of reality. The sun is the sun.. Look at it.. That's what it is.

I agree with him. You can't access full truth if you are attached to survival because that will automatically distort your views and make you less objective. But then again the truth is ever present. So it doesn't matter what you assume.

It's an abstract concept. There is no "mind" in actuality. What you call the mind is in fact a collection of thoughts and memories and images etc that you mistakenly labeled as one solid entity called " the mind".

It's not about giving up.I'm not fighting over ideas . That's just one Way of looking at it the scientific approach. Under the materialist paradigm that's the explanation for psychedelics. What if you don't buy the materialist paradigm in the first place as it's the case with most people in this forum.?. What if you don't believe there is such a thing as "the brain" outside of your imagination of it? What if correlation doesn't mean causality?. These can take you to a different paradigm. I'm not trying to be biased to any specific paradigm. I'm just presenting the material explanation of psychedelics because some people think it can't be explained by material philosophy. For different perspectives to merge and see who's right.

No. The video that I posted in the OP revealed very clearly that there is a direct correlation between how the chemicals in psychedelics affect perception centers in the brain which leads to very vivid hallucinations.

@Javfly33 it's a pragmatic assumption for you to be able to function in life. Try to deprogram your mind from the assumption that the world behind your back exists even when you are not seeing it.. And say good bye to your entire sense of reality. Truth is not the same from all POVs. There is the absolute POV and then there is the pragmatic and relative POV. From the absolute POV you actually don't know Jack shit about anything lol other than this. From the relative POV you are forced to make all kinds of assumptions to be able to function in life.

It's all existence. Imagination is a category of existence. Actual yellow exists and imaginary yellow exists. The first exists as an object. The second exists as an image in your mind. The imaginary is derived from the actual. Meaning you can't imagine a shape or a color or a sound etc that you haven't perceived in actuality before. That's how I see it.

You are repeating the same question lol. I told ya it depends on what do you mean by "exist". What is "exist"? . If you from the very beginning assume that existence =perception =Consciousness.. Then it's obvious the answer is NO. There's nothing existing outside of perception if that's what you define as existence. As a matter of fact.. This field of perception is the only thing you know of reality.. You never encounterd anything "outside" of it. So if we just assume for a moment that there is something outside of it and independent from it.. It's still would be impossible for you to imagine that state of being or make sense of it because it's something you never encounterd in your life. Think of colors for example.. You can only imagine a color that you can already see in your perception field. Something existing outside of your awareness is like a color you have never seen before. You don't know whether it exist or not and also you can't imagine it or make sense of it because you've never encountered such a thing before.

Cool then.

LOL. I could change it if you wish.. But only if you show me something fancier.

That's what we want ?

Stop talking to me as an authority. Stop assuming that I'm your student. Maybe you need to open your mind that I'm not your student. If you don't buy what I'm saying then fine. But consider that I also don't buy what you are saying because you didn't actually say anything.

I know. That's why I say this is the only absolute. This was never discovered through logic. This is ever present and self evidently true. Anything else "tree exists outside my perception" requires logic to talk about which a second order. I think you should be agreeing with this so I don't understand what's your point regarding this issue specifically.

It's like saying you can know what you don't know without knowing it. It doesn't make logical or grammatical sense. It's utterly impossible.. Meaningless and contradictory. So yes I agree there is no need to argue about it.

Depends on how do you define "exist". If you define it as "being perceived by me" then NO. If you define it as "a state of being that Is prior to and Independent from perception" then the answer is YES. The whole trick is you can't know whether reality is subjective or objective. You can't know whether objects exist outside of your awareness or not. And like it or not..... You can't EVER know. And therefore the only absolute truth in the entire fucking existence is... This.

Thanks for the insight.

Yes!

My main point is this.. Reality is not a thought construct. Thought constructs are inevitable parts of reality. Don't think that if you lose your language and all your conceptual thoughts that reality as a whole will collapse.. That's simply not true. You will still have other perceptions. Expect they won't be labeled as such anymore. But nonetheless they will be there. Because reality is prior to thoughts. Thoughts appear after the fact to describe it. To make sense of it. It can't ofcourse make sense of it as a whole because it's itself part of the whole. However it can make sense of parts from the whole. Reality is not a thought construct. Thought constructs are reality. Again this isn't rocket science but I don't know why some people just don't get it.

I'm well aware of the limitations of thoughts and concepts. I don't have a problem with that. But imagine how would you function in life if you respond to anything that's being said to you by " these are just meaningless thoughts they don't exist in reality". That's the extreme on the opposite end of the spectrum. If there's people who mistake their thoughts for reality on one side.. On the other side there are people who are very attached to distinguish their thoughts from reality to the point they can't see reality anymore and they just see thoughts.

Cool thought story. Let it go. There is no such things in direct experience. All that exists Is this. And this is not a "dream reality". A "Dream reality" is a limited and relative notion appearing within this. Seriously though.. How many times do we have to repeat this point? All concepts are concepts but this is not a concept. This is this. However some concepts are relatively correct and accurate in describing this. We have a thought story called " gravity exists and you can't just jump and fly". In actuality there is no such thing as "gravity". There is what there is. But that conceptual statement is not a bunch of BS just because of the fact that it is a conceptual statement!! There is no saying you can jump and fly. Try it and see. It's not rocket science. Let's talk about something less obvious lol. And btw saying reality is a Dream doesn't mean anything unless you explain to me what exactly do you mean. Reality is real. It's not an illusion. Because here it is. Even if it's a dream there must be a dreamer. If it's an illusion there must be someone that's being deluded. All these are relative notions and they don't mean anything as absolutes. They require their opposite. And again I think all that is off-topic. I would rather like to discuss the original topic of this thread.

Get used to it. This forum contains nothing but thoughts

No one does. " Clue" Can't capture what's Larger than it. The part is always smaller than the whole.

LOL I'm lost at this point. Who's a figment of who's mind? . If you mean it's sort of like a shared dream where everyone is dreaming each other up then that would be an objective world. Recently you are drifting to more and more extreme solipsism. Wait I mean I'm imagining you doing it.. Or you imagining me imagining you doing it. I dunno at this point lol.