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Yes my concept that everything is indeed "together" is not accurate. Which means it's not certain. So.. is everything together or apart objectively? Both ofcourse which means there isn't a certain answer! Exactly! So even within my question I assumed that the floor is indeed still... which is a claim of certainty for the conversation to be possible at all.. we have to assume a given. But is it a given tho? As you said it's not. It's also relative. Everything is so relative and uncertain such that I can't even formulate a question without making uncertain claims! Same point. I had to assume that it's not already falling apart and ask why it isn't?.... But ofcourse as you said it's already falling apart and not falling apart simultaneously depends on whether we are talking about the macro scale or micro scale and what measurement tools (speed) etc.... All that itself is relative and uncertain. Such that it's impossible to make a 100 % certain and accurate description. Nope! Say it in a different way lol I like this. Ofcourse. You could say why should I be 100 % certain and not only 4 %? After all even the 4 % is 100% relative to other factors of consideration.. Also you could ask are you 100 % certain that you are 100% certain...to infinity. It's not possible to measure the degree of certainty in a certain way! Exactly. It's already getting filpped constantly. In other words changing and not stable. Uncertain. Yup. Does that mean our location is certain or not? Think about it. Which is exactly my point. Any possible explanation for the present moment is itself the unexplainable present moment. So you have to explain the explanation for infinity. Which ends up meaning the present moment just is and we don't know any further. How so? How are you absolutely certain that I am a human being? Just because I look like a human being? I could be a ghost who's very good at shape shifting!! Exactly. The whole point of my thread! That's all uncertain. ?

Brilliant answer from Rupert. Thanks for sharing ❤️? Exactly a belief is a thought. unexamined. These things are uncertain. You just really "believe" they are certain. Yes exactly. That's my point. Only isness is certain. The fact the isness IS. And nothing else is certain nor knowable. No that difference itself is uncertain. So you don't know if you're in dreaming state or waking state. And you don't even know if these two states are even different to begin with (that life itself is not one giant ass dream). Yes I mean direct experience. This right here right now. The question is where is here? What is the background of the universe? If it's only one piece of the puzzle.. Where is this piece fitting? Exactly. Which means it's undetermined or unknown. It's both and neither. Depends on a relative view point. Again uncertain! Let's call feelings direct experience. Knowledge is thoughts. The question is How can you trust the content of any thought if it's not describing a direct feeling? (for example I had some fish for dinner yesterday)

Exactly. That makes these facts uncertain. Yup. Once again you are uncertain. Let's create a distinction between the waking world and the night time Dreams. Exactly how are you supposed to know which is which? Again. 100% mystery and unknown. In other words you don't know but you gotta believe something cuz blah? All perfect uncertain answers ?

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We are deeply ignorant that's just a fact. I mean you really have not a clue what existence is and what you're doing here. Yet almost 90% of people settle for mediocrity. They don't "like" or "want" to question their experience enough. Even tho they deep down know that they don't know. Is it because we are afraid to admit that we don't know? Maybe it's a function of survival? @electroBeam @Gesundheit would like to hear from you guys!

@Nahm back at 'ya'. Have a happy 'ending'. That explains nothing.

It would be exactly what it is. Me explaining to myself what I explained to myself. I don't need courses in common sense. Totally possible. I just did. What's the "true" (right) answer is what matters. At least for me. Enough talking about balls my dude! If your balls are a concept that doesn't concern me too much.

@Nahm you wanna tell me that just by saying "there is no self" and your balls are a concept that you now explained the whole universe????? Who are "we" kidding?

@zeroISinfinity listening to masters lol no one here understands what awakening is expect Leo. If you like to settle for this mediocre no self nonsense go for it. By all means

Why should identification with the "conditioned thinking mind" be "Bad" or "false"?... The "conditioned thinking mind" is YOU. You're never going to disidentify from anything because everything is you. That's what you're missing.

So.. What will happen after the body dies ? Answer :It will slowly decompose.. until all that’s left is the bones. And eventually mud. That’s not what you want to ask though. What you want to ask is: what happens to your individual consciousness after death? Answer: it undergoes dilution. A similar question could be posed about a cup of water. What happens to this specific water if it is thrown back into a lake? A similar fate awaits your individual consciousness.

that's not complete awakening. only one facet of Awakening. You still have to go full circle and recognize that YOU ARE EVERYTHING.

Do you need a body? You can exist without a body. You do that in deep sleep and you don't seem annoyed at all. But this body seems to bring you a trouble after a trouble isn't it?

Oh It means exactly that! From the universe's POV it makes no difference if you kill a bunch of people or feed them. The ultimate outcome is always the same. But see you think there is a difference because you have an ego and biased judgment etc. Your consciousness is not pure enough. So the only obstacle to recognize that fear is love is your selfishness. Level of consciousness. You think compassion is better than hatred? Ofcourse it isn't. Objectively speaking it isn't. They are equal. Only because of your egoic survival agenda is there a difference. And that is the obstacle to recognize this "unconditional love" which folks talk about.

@DecemberFlower where do you find absolute and relative? It's all one. because "Love" is unconditional it cannot exclude fear. So it allows it to be as part of itself. About your embodied love.. It boils down to your level of consciousness. Are you conscious enough to recognize that there is nothing to fear? When you are you will see that even fear is part of perfection. It's kinda paradoxical as it should be.

Relax. fear is love.

Why you don't see God????? First of all.. Recognize that you take this present moment for granted. Recognize the miracle right before your eyes that you take completely for granted. Because you think it came from a past via a mechanism somehow from somewhere at some when. All these are groundless. =the present moment is completely mysterious and unexplainable. It just is what it is. You think it's not fresh it's not the "first" present moment. But it is. Also you take it for granted because you have some nice bullshit stories that explain it away. You think you are living on a earth.. In some solar system.. In some universe.in some multiverse.. . In God knows where. but you don't recognize that this infinite regress is indeed infinite. Which means you are again "nowhere". Just now here. Going in nature can be quite insightful. If you pet some trees. You can notice the connection between everything. You can see how these trees are literally yourself. Try to say hi to the trees as you walk past them. People will call you nutcase but say hi to them too . Try to notice everything as yourself. It's easier to try this exercise in nature. Plants. Trees. Animals. Sea etc because these things are beautiful and attractive. Try to feel into the beauty of them and notice that this is YOUR beauty. This is your creation. This is YOU Period. Now imagine If you can train this capacity to include the whole universe. Such that you cough love into everything. literally every piece of existence is yourself. It's one thing to hear this or to understand this and it's different to actually grasp this in your own experience via your own method. Do whatever it takes to get there but you gotta get there.

Before "I" was born.. I AM.

@Javfly33 sorry to hear about your loss. Stay strong! About what happened to "him"..... This takes us to the question "who am I"?. What is your father really? He is just one limited finite expression of the infinite. So as the story goes.. the one infinite being is appearing and taking on all these apparently different forms. But it's all play in disguise. The sun and the moon are literally the same being .. God. So your father didn't really go anywhere. He is in everthing around you. Now just the illusion of being a finite individual finally is broken. The mask is taken away so to speak. . And he realized his true identity. One. Boundless. Infinity. Which is never born and will never die.

Yes. Every statement is true and false simultaneously Because it can be interpreted differently. This is called relativity. Leo has a nice juicy episode about it. Check it out! Not sure where are you going with this hair splitting and picking on words. We could go on like this forever. Oh yeah it is ofcourse. Yet it can be reframed and described in an infinite number of ways. Exactly. This applies to the "separate self" as well. It's for you to figure out. Itself. In a form of a psychedelic or a Guru or meditation practice etc These things exist. They just do not exist independently but they do exist. I mean like "come on" lol

Oh this is false. Since there is no difference between not knowing and knowing. Egoically speaking.. You know nothing. Cuz we can't find the entity that we attach "knowledge" to. But the body can still remember where is the car keys? . But since the illusion is reality. It is possible to know. Meditation is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up. Psychedelics is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up. Science is an illusion.. yet it creates 5 meo dmt which wakes you up Leo has made critiques of science and rationality in the past because its symbolic and does not represent the truth - which fine thats right. Yet this symbolic delusion created a symbolic concept called chemistry.. which created psychedelics.. which wakes you the fuck up!

?‍♂️ Dude your views are extremely limited. No self is not the answer to everything.

I have no conscious control over sensory data. Meaning I can't wish you out of existence if I want. Therefore these appearances are held within my consciousness because that's the only way to experience a world. That doesn't mean these appearances in my experience are the only thing that there is. I make a distinction between the small you(ego) and the big you (God) . The small you and it's perceptions are held within the big you but the big you extends beyond just what is accessible via the small. Nope! Go ahead and wish this screen out of your consciousness if your consciousness is all that there is. I don't know. See this is tricky. You don't even know if right now you are so called "dreaming" or in the "real world". Precisely because there is no distinction. You can't appeal to that comparison in the first place. Dream is just a metaphor. Reality is NOT a dream my dear. Dream is just a limited configuration within reality. You can't define or capture infinity in a limited way. What do you mean by "me"? I am consciousness. Not that there is a me who is conscious. This brings us back to your earliest point about "others". Others are also consciousness. They are not "conscious". But that doesn't mean they are not conscious. It's really just a technically difference. Better to say that awareness is always so.. everlasting in everpresent nothingness.. either dreaming.. or in a state of dreamless sleep. Dreamless sleep is the closest you will come to the possibility of “no awareness". When you are not aware you believe that youe awareness will pop up again right? Because there is something outside of your consciousness that is holding it. Which is what consciousness is. See there is a distinction between consciousness (reality itself) and "your" little human limited consciousness. Don't delude yourself. All time? You mean forever? It’s hard to answer this question because there is no such thing as time.. so what exactly is "forever" referring to?

This is false. Other people are conscious. Me and you and your mom are like virtual partitions in the present moment. God has a split personality disorder and is living life through multiple times at the same time!!. There is something outside of your consciousness. But there is nothing outside of consciousness.

@Gesundheit your welcome!