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?‍♂️ Dude your views are extremely limited. No self is not the answer to everything.

I have no conscious control over sensory data. Meaning I can't wish you out of existence if I want. Therefore these appearances are held within my consciousness because that's the only way to experience a world. That doesn't mean these appearances in my experience are the only thing that there is. I make a distinction between the small you(ego) and the big you (God) . The small you and it's perceptions are held within the big you but the big you extends beyond just what is accessible via the small. Nope! Go ahead and wish this screen out of your consciousness if your consciousness is all that there is. I don't know. See this is tricky. You don't even know if right now you are so called "dreaming" or in the "real world". Precisely because there is no distinction. You can't appeal to that comparison in the first place. Dream is just a metaphor. Reality is NOT a dream my dear. Dream is just a limited configuration within reality. You can't define or capture infinity in a limited way. What do you mean by "me"? I am consciousness. Not that there is a me who is conscious. This brings us back to your earliest point about "others". Others are also consciousness. They are not "conscious". But that doesn't mean they are not conscious. It's really just a technically difference. Better to say that awareness is always so.. everlasting in everpresent nothingness.. either dreaming.. or in a state of dreamless sleep. Dreamless sleep is the closest you will come to the possibility of “no awareness". When you are not aware you believe that youe awareness will pop up again right? Because there is something outside of your consciousness that is holding it. Which is what consciousness is. See there is a distinction between consciousness (reality itself) and "your" little human limited consciousness. Don't delude yourself. All time? You mean forever? It’s hard to answer this question because there is no such thing as time.. so what exactly is "forever" referring to?

This is false. Other people are conscious. Me and you and your mom are like virtual partitions in the present moment. God has a split personality disorder and is living life through multiple times at the same time!!. There is something outside of your consciousness. But there is nothing outside of consciousness.

@Gesundheit your welcome!

@Mindfang413 it's obviously not something and not a nothing. You gotta get past the language barrier and grasp it directly. Trying to name it.. you lose the whole point of it being nameless and undefined. An open mystery.

Why is there something rather than nothing? There isn't! Tada!! So that's the universe's ultimate question. Let's dig into it. And prove that reality doesn't actually exist lol Ponder this : how is it possible that a physical universe made of physical actual "real" matter can exist at all in God's earth? Yeah its impossible. Notice that your experience right now is an impossible phenomenon. Infinity is the impossible made possible as Leo calls it. Might there be no objects at all? Or a possible world where there are no objects at all? Well.. that’s the thing. There are no objects at all.. nor any world. There is. however.. an appearance of objects and a world..which is not at all what it seems to be. Asking why there really are not ACTUAL objects is an understandable question. Contemplating the actuality of an object is similar to wondering if images on a filmstrip are actual objects. An imagination projects these seemingly “actual objects”.. but they don’t have a fixed shape.. they don’t have a location.. they don’t exist in any time.. they don’t have identities.. no inherent purpose.. and are not substantiated through any external objective medium because such a thing is just not possible. Dig it? ... "reality" is NOT Possible. Only awareness of an appearance of reality is possible. . It’s not necessary to think about objects existing or not in relation to “worlds".. There can not be any worlds without objects because a world itself is an object. So it cannot be rightly said that a world can exist without an object..in the basic sense of what we know and define as an object. Moreover.. any world in and of itself is not a singular entity. Even on a barren wasteland planet, there are a multitude of factors that combine to make up a landscape, each factor only maintaining a station due to its relativity to a series of neighboring contributing factors. This brings us to the example of the simple tree. The tree is only a tree due to many many things that are not tree. The soil..the nutrients in the soil.. water..sunlight.. animal activity..seasons.. pollination.. and so on. And so this takes away the possibility that there may be a world with no objects at all, or even a world that contains only abstract objects. If the world is indeed a world, then just by meeting the criteria of being considered a world, then it cannot only contain abstract objects. An abstract world with abstract objects would be a more accurate possibility to consider. Such a world could be in your imagination right now..but to meet the definition of being an actual world..it would have to have the capacity of being experienced. Such a world could be said to exist in your dreams when you sleep at night..because you experience them existentially...yet they are completely abstract.. that is to say..you are not grounded there.. you have not laid down attachments to anchor you there with more density. The methods to awakening is necessarily a destructive road. Our essential essence is what is real. And everything else that is added to this essential nature are false imagination . They are additions. Facades. So in order to find the original essential essence.. it is necessary to negate.. or subtract.. these false imaginations . Let's subtract everything and anything that is not true reality.. that is.. the original essential essence. Ponder this : 1. There could have been finitely many things. 2. For each thing that thing might not have existed. 3. The removal of one thing does not necessitate the introduction of another. 4. Therefore, there could have been no things at all. So how the fuck does any "thing" exist at all? Well that's the whole point. Nothing exists! At all!! No “thing” exists independent of awareness. Things exist only existentially as they are being experienced . So it’s not a matter of things that could have been.. or might not existed. None of these possible concepts matter or have any relevance without an awareness of them They cannot be actualized without such an agency. Taking away an object and not replacing it with anything of itself is incorrect. Any such object is not isolated.. nor does it’s underlying building blocks go anywhere if you take away its appearance. All appearances...fine or dense.. solid or flimsy are made of the same stuff. You could call it energy. Nothing new can be introduced with this.. nor anything taken away. Only projections made out of energy.. take on appearances and fade away. So getting the attention stuck on appearances and then from this snapshot, postulating that you could take away these appearances one by one until you have an empty world. is overlooking the underlying truth. A world cannot ever be considered empty. And taking away objects doesn’t take away anything other then an appearance. A better consideration would be, what would the removal of the energetic morphing substance that takes on the appearance of all things.. What would that leave in it’s absence? Awareness or consciousness. The source of all things. And it doesn't look like anything. It’s not energy. Its not empty. It’s not a void. It’s not an appearance. It’s not comparable to anything in your so called world. . And from this consideration. there is no thing existing anywhere. Consciousness just does what it does.. and it doesn’t rely on any of its manifestations to do what it does. And that's all.

Why would real I create a unified stream of information that manifests an ego mechanism or any life form. Would there be a desire or out of desperation or perhaps "why" would not be the right question and questions may not be the right way to ponder this truth as this real I is perhaps beyond whys and why nots? I guess that's the real "why" because that's how reality is. Yes.. pure potential (reality) is beyond whys and why nots.. yet it manifests identities that ponder why and why not. The answer isn’t validating.. so identities are not usually satisfied with the explanation.. and keep looking for something more self gratifying. There isn’t any objective reason. All of this is imagined into existence from static potential.. and there is no powerful entity governing it.

Tips for overcoming suffering. From personal experiences and understanding at this point in time. From learning Buddhism and just following the spiritual path for a quite a while. Just wanted to share few concepts. If you can apply them in your life...you can save yourself a lot of otherwise "free" and unnecessary suffering. Drop your expectations. Of yourself and of the world. Stop thinking that the world is other then the way it should be. Remove this "should" from your vocabulary. It doesn't make any logical or illogical sense. The world is always exactly as it "should" be. Because it's unfolding from the start. Not a single atom moves randomly. It's all planned out. Like a script or a movie. Drop all your expectations. All of them. Strive to be okay with whatever is going on. Notice that whatever is happening is exactly what should happen. Stop resisting life. And the easiest way to embody is to quickly become conscious that everything is predestined. When you raise your hands and scratch your head.. That's predetermined. So is everything. So what are you complaining about? You are not free because you aren't separate . you don't exist as an entity in and of itself disconnected from environment. Let go of this nonsense that you are in control. You have absolutely zero control over your life(as a little ego) . The more you become conscious of that more suffering free you will become. You don't control jack shit. You don't control your thoughts.. your actions.. your breath your heart beat.. Your digestion. It's all been done for you. You don't even exist the way you think you are. . You don't control other people or other objects. The sun the moon the solar system the weather etc basically the whole universe including so called your body. It's one seamless inevitable flow Just let it flow. Get out of gods way ffs. Don't seek happiness. See the more you seek the more you reinforce the illusion that something is lacking. What could be lacking in wholeness? What is lacking in perfection? Yet you always believe that something is wrong somewhere. Why you do that? Because that's what motivates you to take action. To accomplish. But it has been my experience as well as your experience that nothing can make you truly happy. No attainment.. no accomplishment, no goal.. no matter how many hoops you jump through.. no matter how well you do in the rat race.. no mater what great product you buy.. or how shiny it is.. or how much better then the neighbor’s it is.. nothing’s going to fix that sense of inadequacy. Cause that sense of not being good enough, cannot be fixed by anything… I won’t even say anything ‘out there’.. I’ll just say any thing. It’s not a thing that’s being wanted; it’s not a thing that’s needed. It’s not a thing that can make you feel adequate.. good enough.. give you worth. Because this sense of worthlessness.. this idea that you are a me that’s not good enough… is not true. So since this lie is a lie.. you can’t solve it. The lie will persist. Nothing can bring down a lie because it can keep lying. It’s not reality. So you can stick something in the hole.. but the hole itself is not really there; it’s a lie. And the only way to be free of being the slave of this lie.. and having your entire life standing for jumping through hoops to try to sooth this sense of inadequacy.. the only way out of this rat race, is to stop telling the lie.. and admit the truth. That this person, this me, who doesn’t compare, who is not as good as he or she should be, is just an idea… is not even who you are… doesn’t even exist in reality.

You already have it. Unless you don't because they locked you in some psych ward.

@lmfao BS.

Except it's totally knowable. That's what enlightenment is all about. It's a different type of "knowledge" tho. It's direct without intermediate. You can fully know it because you ARE it. Who else can?

That's true. And false ofcourse. we can still dissect it and find nuances and psychological reasons more and More. Its not just "it's the way it is". Also consider relativity. There is no people is an absolute statement. There are no absolute statements in reality. From a very commonly used perspective (which what we all practice) there IS people ofcourse. And it's mind boggling why it never occurred for some of them to question their existence. Since they are constantly confronted with the mystery.

@Fran11 well you already know what's the go. Good luck

Your body is not physical tho and this is not a physical reality. That's just a thought. Spiritual vs physical is a duality. Let it go.

@lmfao nailed it. Death is the realization that your life never happened. (as you know it "separate").

@Fran11 seems like I was quite vague. I need to explain what I meant. Simply you will dissolve into the all. Like how that finite shaped water in the glass dissolved into the lake. It BECAME the lake. Same thing. When you die you will become all of reality. Your ingredients will merge back into the all and so you will become one with the universe. As you already are.

Yes that's what's happening. It's Because there isn't a seperate "you".. You are already merged with everything.. Right now and after so called death. It really depends. You can say the body is you. The consciousness that lives through your body is you. It's not inclusive to thoughts. There is an experience of a body and a world.. Duh?... That whole experience (all of reality) is you. Ofcourse no "thing" is in the center of it all.. And that's why you are merged with it. And since it will neve die.. You will never die.

Don't agree. Spiritual path is not about beliefs in other realms etc that's when it's turned into mental masturbation. Actual spirituality is grounded in direct experience. You become conscious of what's true. You make fine distinction between the truth and beliefs. But sometimes it gets twisted. Like if we ask is death a belief or an actual verified truth that you are directly conscious of?.... Well..

Ofcourse counter to that. The way that leads to happiness IS the way that leads to truth. Most people unconsciously assume that happiness and Truth are somehow against each other.. What do you think of that? Like you somehow shouldn't be pursuing deep metaphysical questions.. Instead just make ends meet and have fun.... I identify as one of those. Maybe it's something about how the brains are wired differently. Ya know people have different genuine interests etc

Wdym? They believe they have already all the "knowledge" meanwhile they are actually ignorant? Because that's true for most people. It does boil down to that. Is this true tho (do they actually know)?

Unfortunately sometimes it's the total opposite of that. The parents brainwash their kids with ready made answers (mostly from religion ) that kills their curiosity at its root. And they grow up thinking they've got it all figured out (by being a Christian for instance) and that's about it. They know not what they are missing on in life by ignoring not knowing and questioning. Constant exploration and learning etc.

The question is not for you. You are already enlightened and all this is laughable to you. But consider that 90 % people are deeply ignorant and yet they find existential inquiries to be cringe worthy.. How do you explain that?

Which is why this is already death. This is already the all

In other words you will become everything. Merge back into the all.

Some truth here. Again try to pay attention to every word. Don't just skip away and yawn. It's long and boring but hey. Some people do actually care about the truth believe it or not. Nothing is believable anyways. You might think it takes some fancy quantum mechanics and nuclear chemistry stuff to explain "all" of reality. But it's actually quite simple and obvious when you realize you have direct access to reality exactly as it is. Right now. This is all of reality. (ah shit here we go again?) Look at it. (actually do this don't just read.. This is crucial. And also it's crucial to take this seriously from a position of genuine not knowing and open mindedness that this might actually lead to turth realization ). Look closer. Turn left. Right. Up. Down. Look at your body. Feel your body. Feel everything you can feel right now. You probably noticed you are already feeling it. Look at this screen. Look closer. There you go . I just explained to you everything. Because I just told you what is true. Or what is happening now while it's happening while you are doing it. Which means I explained everything that is true in the moment.and since there is nothing but the moment.. I just explained everything quite literally. "Yes but you didn't explain where did it come from?"" And why it's here at all?" Because it didn't come from anywhere. Obviously and clearly because there is no where but here as it's perfectly clear in your direct experience NOW. And there is no reason absolutely absolutely at all completely entirely for why it's here. " How do you know that?" Because here it is. Only "it" is here. No reason why it's here is here with it. And if you do find a reason it's going to be here. So you didn't find a reason.. You just found here. Here is the reason of here. The reason of here is something found here. Literally this is the reason. You are looking at the reason of what you are looking at . The reason why this screen exists is the screen. I told you it's literally that you are here and period. That's the whole reality explained and described as it is without using any logic or science or spirituality or beliefs or religion or anything. Which means this is the truth. And you are directly conscious of it right now. What is this called? It's called you are enlightened. Wake up for God's sake and realize that you are already awake. and This is the truth. The whole truth. Not a piece of it. " But you didn't explain the universe?" What universe? The universe is a thought. Your whole life is a thought you're having. " oh come on you are not actually saying there is no universe out there? ". No I'm actually saying right now there is no you universe out there. Right now in your direct experience there is no universe out there other than what is here . This statement is absolutely correct and unfalsifiable to the infinite degree. Try to disprove a single word. You can't. What do we call that? An absolutely true statement. Where is this "universe" aside from THIS ? I'm not blind. Stop having these thoughts about universes and big bangs and galaxies. Stop thinking that here and now is not it and you will be it. .............. But ... Let's explain the whole universe anyways... This Will resonate with people who like to get skullfucked and with psychedelic addicts. All dimensions are in the same place. Every where is in the same where and every when is in the same when. If you zoom into your body you will find the moon that you see in the sky. If you zoom enough.if you keep zooming you will find your mom.. You will find your first day in school. If you keep zooming you will find everything in the universe inside your body right now. I just told you something incredibly epic if you know how to get it. Everything already contains everything. Infinity inside infinity. Every piece of the universe contains every piece of the universe. So right now your body contains and is the whole universe. Not metaphorically again. But literally.again this is it. The only reason you think this is not it is because you think this is not it because everthing causes itself. . If you stopped thinking that this is not it.. This will be it.as it already is. Now this one will blow your goddam mind away. Let's talk about why you will never die. And therefore you are literally God. I've talked about why there is no past in my previous thread. Let's deconstruct the fucking future. Which is where death is : Show me the future please. Prove to me that the future exists. This? No that's the present. That? No that's the present. Tomorrow? That's the present. Your "life"? That's present. The next hour? That's the present. The next minute the next second that's the present. The day you will die in? That's the present. The day you will die in is the present. Where else could death happen in? Which means this is death. You are on the other side now. Congratulations. You are dead now and death is revealed to be a joke an illusion. Tada! Not anyone can get this easily tho. Now is not moving for God's sake. This will extends your capacity to comprehend but look with sharp eyes. Then Close your eyes.. Strip away all sensory input... Just imagine removing reality out of existence .. Toss . Spot the now in the middle of it all. Find it. Identify as that. Or recognize that you are that and not anything else because there isn't anything else. Recognize that you are that moveless point. And it's not going to die ever. Because ever is now. The same thing that you are. The same thing that you found.. Is yourself. Infinite hide and seek. Stop playing. You are not going to go anywhere or find anything other than this. Rest in this. When will you get it?