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@The0Self if there is no beginning then there is no end? Was there an ultimate beginning or is it infinte in all directions? Dude that's creepy af It should be self-sufficient. You? If there is no beginning and no ending then it's infinite. And therefore nowhere.

It's comforting to see how clueless everyone is.

Got it. So basically no body fucking knows? @Inliytened1 where did the possibilities come from? You could think of alternative being an empty formlessness without any potential. Well look.. It's both two and not two. That's the mindfuck of it. For example you can say there is no experiencer experiencing experience. Experience is one undevided whole. But on the other hand you can locate apparent twoness and boundaries. If you go look at the mirror.. "you" will see two separate eyes. They are united by the same filed of experience yet they are devided and separate nonetheless.

@fridjonk haha trust me I don't The latest theory is that of the big crunch. The universe will reverse it's expanding process that happened with the big bang and crunch on itself. and that's the end as modern physics suggests. What do i know? All possibilities are possible.

@Nahm @Nahm OK let's stop trying to outsmart each other. I honestly and as usual not sure what you are on about lol.. Will give you last chance (?) to clarify what you mean in the water and ice example. Tell me water is analogous to what and how do you explain the existence of the physical stuff we see around.

It's been 4 days now. I barely slept two hours since then. Across that period. I feel like a flimsy piece of shit. Extreme headache and fatigue. Can't do anything during the day. I tried warm baths.. Masturbating.. Hot herbs.. Meditation.. Soothing music.. And nothing seems to work. I struggled with bad dreams and nightmares earlier this month and ever since then my sleep quality has been going down hill and now barely can sleep. I feel like a zombie. What to do now? ?

@Nahm didn't know that being vague on purpose and speaking word salads is a nuance. Don't be annoyed that I keep coming up with the same crap all the time. Because it's gonna continue

I wouldn't say a distinction is purely mind created.. It is definitely inherent in things themselves. For example you don't project or imagine the difference between a hot and a cold drink. You can actually feel the difference between the two. However the distinction between somethingness and nothingness seems unclear to me. Also distinction between real and imaginary seems like a mental projection (thinking of dreams as an example).

So it's just pure magic? You are basically saying it is what it is and no one really knows

So is something and nothing indistinguishable or "mutually arising"? To say they are codependent or mutually arising suggests that they are distinct and not the same thing (creates a duality)

Thanks everyone for the tips. I finally was able to drift off and slept a good 11 hours last night. Wehoo what a relief

Water is analogous to awareness or reality itself? Water does know the thought "why" via the human mind. Water is ice that's true. But also it's a different modulation of ice. So they are also different. It does appear as something it's not. For example if the underlying substance of everything is one (nondual) then how do we have appearant separation? We look around and see trees and cars and people.. Separation. You didn't explain how do we get diversity of "stuff 'from the basic nondual substance.

@acidgoofy can't perform any heavy effort. Feeling dizzy af.

@Preety_India no none at all.

@Forestluv Got it. Just sharing it with you.. let's put it this way.. An empty house is not the same as a house full of people.. Yet both are equally nothing fabrically speaking. The universe is "metaphorically " a full house. My question why isn't it an "empty house" even tho I understand that it's nothing either way. But some forms of nothing are more nothing than others? Idk lol

@blackchair Is anyone real at any level?

Yes you basically reformed my question but didn't answer it. I'm guessing water is analogous to nothingness. And ice is something. So nothing appears as stuff. My question is why or how If you will. How does nothing appear as stuff. If it truly is nothing.. Where does the" stuffness "quality come from? How do you appear as something you are actually not?

Is anything real at any level?

"you have to bite the bullet of consciousness" lol Honestly and not to kiss Leo's ass.. He was very good and I didn't perceive any of the stuff people say about how he avoided answering questions. He made an incredibly good point when asked "how do you know "..stuff like infinite love etc 1.how do you know anything? 2. By becoming conscious of it directly. And there is no other way of knowing. And this cannot be doubted. Because consciousness is all there is. And given that he became conscious of infinite love and whatnot he knows its true that everything is a manifestation of love Yada Yada. Very good explanation. I liked that part and it was very useful because I was puzzled by the same issue and that clarified stuff for me. Bravo Leo ?

these sensual inputs are stuff. It's not about whether what you sense is actually objective and substantial. It's just the mere fact that appearance is happening. Why there wasn't simply no touch no smell no sight no sound no nothing?

I mean I get it intellectually. I can talk about how stuff is actually nothingness theoretically. But experientially I feel that's stuff doesn't equal no stuff. What I don't get is... If stuff is actually no stuff if you get to the bottom of it.. Then why it takes on the appearance of stuff exclusively?.. Why the universe wasn't just pure empty space?

Then that would also be saying too much. So why are you biased towards the negative? you are leaving it as a superposition of "it exists and it doesn't exist and both and neither". I dig that that's true absolutely speaking. But it certainly is not how you experience it in your everyday life. You certainly Believe stuff exists. Come the fuck on @Tim R

@Matt23 wasn't meaning you. ? I meant the youtube comment section.

Leo was great. Not sure why so much negative comments.

Who knows for bloody sakes? For real tho..A=A. .I can't define a thing in terms of other things. Everything is just what it is. Exactly how it appears. Sound is sound. Color is color. Etc Not sure if that's what you were trying to get at..