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There is a meta insight that you don't want to get... Listen up cuz I'm peacing out after this post lol.... If you don't experience something.. That doesn't tell you whether it exists or not... It just means.... you.. are.. Not.. Experiencing. . It. I'm not saying it does exist. I don't fucking know lol. But you also don't know. But the difference is you are making an unjustified jump and saying "because I'm not experiencing it.. It doesn't exist" . You don't know that. If you want to stick with experience just say that's what exists in my experience and that's what doesn't exist in my experience. Don't make it general (that's what exists and that's what doesn't exist) because you don't know that.

@r0ckyreed seriously think about this... Why does it necessarily mean if you don't have access to my perceptual bubble... That I'm not a real person? Where is the logical necessity? . Just because you don't perceive something...does that mean it doesn't exist? Why? How do you assume that? Who told you that's how reality works? When you don't experience something that simply means you don't freaking experience it. Period. Nothing more. Now you make a weird jump and conclude that "if I'm not experiencing it doesn't exist." That's indeed what you are imagining. There is a meta insight here.. If it's not in your experience... That only means it's simply not in your experience. Full stop. It doesn't mean it does or doesn't exist. Don't jump to conclusions. Both you have no experience of. The best thing is to say I don't freaking know because you don't and no one does. But I can't blame you.. It sure feels good to talk to "others" about how are you the only one here ?

No I'm not imagining that the moon remains in its place everytime I double check it. It's direct experience. So the consistency of this realm world is not in my mind. It's in the world. Anyways this conversation is stupid and there is no point getting along because any argument could be easily flushed with "you are imagining this". So I know it's pointless to argue with a solipsist because I was a solipsist at some point . And funny because you believe everyone on this forum are not real yet you are talking to them lol. ?

The criteria is "consistency". A dream or not.. Real =consistency. Everytime you look away from the moon and look back.... You find it exactly in its place.. Okay You can repeat it elephantillion times..still in its place (relatively). Same for any other object. now if all the sudden things start appearing and disappearing for no reason that would be less objective or less real. Ofcourse that's just my criteria. You can object and say you can have consistent dreams as well. whatever.

@Forestluv I do feel a need to apologize. I was kinda mean or cold with you. I learn from you a lot and I totally appreciate your trying to expand my view. However I do acknowledge that all perspectives are partial. And if you go back thats what I said in my first reply here. So it was because you seemed to be disagreeing with me or saying that my view is limited.. While I myself acknowledge that. So it was kinda confusing to me.

No. What kind of nonsense is this? I just showed you how nonsensical your view is. Go pass the highway without turning right or left... If you don't see the cars that mean they are imaginary right? .... Untill you do this you are just mentally masturbating. Go prove your theory. If the car is about to hit you.. Just look away.. When you don't see it it's not real anymore and you will be safe... Go ahead and do it!

@r0ckyreed alright then.. Go pass the highway without turning right or left.. Remember When you don't see the cars.. They are just imagination ?

Yes how exactly do I induce this state? I can't just fake it.. It won't work.. Is there a method or something that I can do to induce it?

@Forestluv OK so what exactly am I unaware of? Precisely in this topic at hand about the nature of how knowledge works. In highlight to my responses in the first page. I'm not sure what is your objection exactly. ?You are saying my perspective is limited and partial. And I told you yes it is. So is your perspective. And everyone else. My statement of "I fully understand oneness" seems annoying to you for some reason. I'm not gonna waste time trying to show you how I understand it. Feel absolutely free to say that I don't understand yet. No problem at all.

@Keyhole so how I go about it? Should I actually do something that makes me almost dead (obviously I can't do that) or do you mean just to pretend that I'm dying?

@Dodo LOL chill out bro.. I feel ya.. I feel ya Sounds extreme to me.

@Dodo seriously are you trolling at this point? Why so freaking annoying bruh..im about to have a mystical experience and become enlightened from the level of patience that is necessary to argue with you at this point lol.....

So why you seek so hard to make me not seek this freaking mystical experience? Why don't you just breathe a little and let what is just be(which is me seeking the Mystical experience) ? ?

I guess I know better what has been revealed to me and what hasn't. You are confusing things. What you call "the ego" is the sensation of" I'm a separate entity inside this body perhaps somewhere behind the eyes.".. Is that sense there? Yes sometimes. So its true as long as it is there. Yet other times like when you are let's say so immersed watching your favorite TV show.. That sense is not there.. So it's not true at that moment. There is no true experience and false experience. If there is an experience it's a true experience. If there isn't.. There isn't.

A thought. An experience. A sensation behind the eyes somewhere. Does that make the ego true or false? Or maybe it's true and false considering that this sensation comes and goes?. And so whatever Is present is true. If it's not presently experienced it's false.

@Forestluv you are right. There is always more to get. Just offering my perspective on the subject. That's one way to look at it. There is infinite more ways ofcourse. BUT they are all at the level of concept.. At the level of direct experience the three grains of sand are all of reality at the moment that you are holding them. There is indeed infinite more grains of sand... Only as concepts.. Until you experience them directly. ?

It's not possible to experience falsehood.

@Dodo check this chick out.. I don't feel like rambling all day.. She says it better than I can ever say it anyways.

LOL you have to do it this way right? ? I guess you are wrong then (you didn't explain your position anyways you just said go contemplate it) . You tell me who is it that knows and where is the boundaries between the knower and the known? What I'm saying is there is only absolute knowledge which is direct being itself. There is no knowing via duality or a medium of separation. That's what nonduality entails. That's absolute knowledge that cannot be false because it's direct. If we assume separation then all sorts of "how do you REALLY know" nonsense questions start arising which are just based on false assumptions. Aye

Again this is a teaching.. A teaching is for separation.. For duality.. For the ego. When ONENESS is recognized.. All that becomes laughable. There is nothing that should be done. Who would do it? There is no one. Separate. This whole selfish vs selfless thing.. I don't buy it. They go together. It's not bad or good to be selfish or to be selfless.

Well as I said there is two ways of looking at it.. Relatively speaking if we agree there is a knower and a known.. There is knowledge through the senses..and through logical facilities . That's all nice in the relative world. How exactly does that work I have no idea. It's the same thing for everything else.. I could say it's a pure irreducible miracle that anything works at all. I have a grown nondual understanding also.. And I fully understand that reality is ONE thing.. From this perspective knowing is illusory because it's a distinction. There is only being. And nah I'm not just parroting this stuff. I'm fully getting it. ?

@Dodo first of all you have to understand.. You are not here on this earth to live the life of ramana maharshi.. That was his life.. His way of relating to existence.... You are here to live your life.. Your way of relating to existence...why should you listen to what ramana said and follow it? How do you know he is not full of shit? What makes ramana's teaching better in any way than the teachings of a prostitute?

How? The way i see it knowledge is illusory. From the absolute perspective. Who knows what? If everything is ONE.. Who would be standing outside of everything to know it? Knowing should ultimately collapse into being.

There is two levels of truth.. Conceptual truths and ultimate truth. Conceptual truths are always partial and relative statements. Any truth that you can put into words is not absolutely true.. If you say everything is one.. That also means everything is infinite.. Is two.. Is three.. all a matter of perspective. Conceptual oneness doesn't make sense without the concept of manyness. What is one without not-one? So ultimately all conceptual insights are not ultimately true and can't be. They might be conditionally true tho. So all insights are half true and half fantasy. Then you have the ultimate truth itself which is not anything you can say or think or figure out. And This is it.

Then you didn't fully grasp that ramana maharshi stuff that I taught you ?... Let me adjust something for ya......... You can't go "wrong".. You are the eternal Self.. You are God regardless of what you do.. What you think.. Whether you are satisfied with your experience.. Not satisfied.. Or in between. The ultimate teaching is there is no teaching. A teaching of any kind is still in the realm of duality.. It assumes a you that is outside of everything that can or should do a specific one thing.. One right thing.. And all other options are false . That's what you are preaching recently. Now you are entering the realm of dogma..of religion. Of right vs wrong. Of this the way and whoever doesn't follow it is an evil sinner. Consider this.... There is nothing outside of everything that needs a teaching or a one right formula. You are a drop in the ocean bro.. One with the ocean..Everything is the Self unfolding in a perfect eternal harmony. Which means you are free and safe.. and you can't ever get it wrong.. because wrong does not exist except inside your skull. . You go on teaching people to stop chasing experiences and recognize that they are already the Self.. Without recognizing that this very chasing of experiences is itself the Self. ?