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@James123 I agree with you. I said illusion of knowing comes from language. And you don't know much about the world then you did as baby before learning stuff. We basically give labels to things or explain them in terms of other things. But when addressing directly.. What is sound?what is vision? What are objects? What is matter? What is Consciousness? What is time? What is space? What is existence? What is nonexistence? What is everything? What is nothing? Etc basically it's impossible to answer what is ANYTHING. It's just as is.

There is no difference between a dream and waking world as experienced.. But how do you know they are generated in the same way?

But why can't both happen Instantly? At the same timepiece

How cute! You can do the same thing in a dream.. Has nothing to do with "trust".. You can trust a dream character to the fullest. That doesn't change the fact that it's just a dream character

Ah Fuck!

@BipolarGrowth hey. I like your train of thought . But I don't agree with you here. That's a baseless jump. You don't know that. Why should the so called waking world be generated exactly as the dream state? What if they are different? And how do you know? Also before responding to me.. Why are you responding to me..? According to you.. There is nothing outside of your consciousness! You are getting sucked into extreme idealism. What you are describing is true in describing the superficiality of experience. But one must be humble and not assume that what appears is all there is. After all.. Your dreams could be in fact generated by "the brain".. Who really knows? And how do you know your perspective is valid beyond a doubt?

@Sempiternity have you done that?

That's one perspective. My question was how do you know it's true? Do you think people in your dreams are conscious? How do you know you are dreaming "everyone's dream" and not that "everyone" are your dream? Ya dig the difference?

Well do you think of it this way or are you operating under the materialist paradigm? You live as if "the world" is objective and exists independently from your senses? Now is that verifiable? Don't you also assume that in your dreams?

Philosophy and metaphysics. You might be surprised to know that all other fields such as physical science.. Math.. Psychology..language.. Social sciences.. History.. Medicine etc are all just branches of philosophy.

@James123 and learning process happened? So everything that in thoughts doesn't exist? What about thoughts? Do they exist? Exists and not exists are thoughts? So what is THIS? What is ANYTHING for you?

Bro.. If you mean the human avatar. It was born 25 years ago obviously. If you mean nothingness. That was never born. The identification is with human atm ? So universe is just thoughts? What about feeling? Hearing seeing touching? These are not thoughts. Actually thoughts are like a 1% slice of the whole experience. How can you boil it all to thoughts?

@Adamq8 only direct experience man. only when you die (if you die) you will know. Anything else is beliefs mixed with speculation mixed with incomplete evidence.

Bro. I can't understand your perspective. Are you denying that stuff is going on right now? That you are seeing colors and perceiving stuff?.. Please don't get pedantic and say "where is you"? Lol ?... Just down to earth talk please.. Are you denying existence?

But also Its form and fullness.. Two sides of coin? ?

@Mvrs According to scientists.. Our universe was created when two superstrings collided. Our universe is one of an infinite number.. basically a bubble in a soup of pure energy. Our universe is the result of another universe being sucked up into a massive black hole.. and shit out the other end.. all in an endless cycle. So this present moment is both the uncaused beginning and the never ending end. And everything in between.

Sorry bro that doesn't make much sense to me. Unless you don't mean void or blank by "nothing".

You are dead wrong. Everything is a miracle like it or not ? As I said I'm not denying any underlying explanatory tools that are common today in mainstream science. Atoms.. Brains.. Big bangs. Sure all that could be valid. But notice what that is.. You are just replacing this appearance with another. So again the mystery is unresolved by this chain of appearances. We are asking what is appearance directly. I hope I made this clear enough. It can't be answered by nesting one appearance within the other. Only by facing it head on. Again don't explain this appearance in terms of another appearance. Explain it in terms of itself. Can it be done either way?

That's because : 1 you take it for granted. 2 you have preconceived beliefs (you think you already know what's up) 3 you don't question enough. See what you did there. The only way any pragmatic value can exist is if something exists. So this is prior to "points". What is pointless and what's not is relative any case. I find that question deeply fascinating and interesting. Knowing is contextual. You know stuff within the context of existence and that's all valid. But do you know what existence is? Or what being is? This stuff right here?... Do you even understand the question? Lol My point is explaining appearance with other appearance never solves the question of what appearance is to begin with. So when scientists explain this appearance by saying it's generated by the brain.. You still have to explain the brain and so on to infinity.. And even then you didn't explain any thing really. Because we still don't know what appearance is. We are just describing how one appearance generates the other. And that's valid. But It doesn't answer the question in OP.

Sure you need to know where your passport is to live In a society. I'm just saying you don't know what a passport is or what society is or what living is or what you is ?

@Willie The illusion of knowing comes from language and creating conceptual descriptions of the world. Do you know what anything is or do you just give it a label? ?

Wherever you look is yourself. You are reality. You are God. Infinite intelligence. Pure divinity. Pure love. Brahman. The absolute. The everything the nothing. The real the unreal. You are THAT which cannot be spoken.

@Arthur8769 @Arthur8769 sorry but a lot of what you described is totally BS. Awakening is not solipsism. Well as far as I know lol. If I'm to be totally epistemically honest.. I have no idea if there is "other" conscious bubbles out there other than me.. It could be all my dream.. But the fact that I'm typing this comment to you means I chose to believe that you are an aware being or however you wanna put it. If you were all "alone"... What's the point of reaching out and asking figments of your imagination on an imaginary forum for validation and "help"?. I would advice to adopt radical open-mindedness but also radical honesty. Because I'm struggling with the solipsism syndrome as well. This notion that you are "alone" is not something you definitively know. About "love" and divinity. Watch from 55:00 to 106:00

@Gesundheit both order and chaos are projections. Both ways at the same time. I know from experience that everything is predetermined. But it's not "planned". What is anything?

@meow_meow Awesome insight. but it must be earned and fully grasped tho... See Truth comes when you give up on going somewhere. But you'll only have the wisdom to see that after looking everywhere other then nowhere. So go look.. absolutely everywhere for the truth.. and then when you're burnt out.. rest in the now.