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We need stories to back up and explain direct experience. If you try to strip your experience from any conceptual frameworks.. Things Will get even weirder and more mysterious.

@The0Self are you Tony parsons lol?

@Fran11 how do you deal with it?

Is there a point in the future where all of existence will simply vanish and dissolve into nothingness? Or is it just gonna keep going forever creating more forms to infinity? What about my individual experience? Maybe reality has no end as a whole but do I have an end? Will my subjective experience continue endlessly? Or is there an end to me? What is the ultimate fate of all of existence including my personal fate? Where am I gonna end up in? Or is it just gonna keep going forever? ?

Thanks for calling it "assumption". It's just an assumption at the end of the day you just don't know . You can't claim it for certain. Actually.. I have no idea if 'birth' was even real. Notice that your entire past is a thought you are having. Memories are just images in your mind. You see I don't take this stuff for granted. Lol But In any case.. No I don't recall anything around The age of two or three. But that does not mean I wasn't conscious back then. It just means that I don't recall. And that's a different thing. What if I lost all memories of my entire life.. Does that mean I wasn't conscious yesterday just because I can't recall it? Obviously your kids are conscious since the day they were born. They are just not self-conscious. Which means they are not conscious that they are conscious. They haven't developed an ego yet. As I said you are pure consciousness itself. Not the the separate sense of self that develops around the age of three. Hope it's clear for you now.

@snowyowl well it depends of course on how does one die. Suffocating to death doesn't sound like a pleasant experience. Although you can die without any melodrama (like dying while sleeping). But the moment of death..that one final moment is when the levels of fear reach infinity.

Of course there is me. You are just confused about what the 'me' is. The ego mind is just identification with thoughts. But you are consciousness itself. Obviously you are conscious. Otherwise you can't have this conversation. I'm not talking about ego death. That's peanuts compared to physical death. It's actually good that you distinguish between the two. I've had many ego deaths before. The issue here is bigger than realizing there is no separate self inside the organism. I've realized that zillions of times to the point it's no big issue anymore. But the fate of the organism as a whole as long as all of it (all of reality). And back to your earliest comment was about death of organism.. And you didn't die as an organism to tell us (there won't be the slightest remembrance of existence) . To that point i said (you don't know.

What's your definition of consciousness? How can there be consciousness without an observer?

Right... Now you are talking an alien language that doesn't correspond to direct experience. In fact if any.. It's YOU who is imagining God imagining stuff.. not the other way around.

Don't know what you mean.

How so?

@LastThursday sounds like @VeganAwake ? I'm assuming "me" is the body-mind complex as a whole. Not the character that can change due to age and life experiences. I'm not asking what happens to my character because it's obviously changing all the time. But rather what happens to 'experience' itself if that makes sense.

What 'next one'? How do you know there is a next one? Maybe Yolo?

Exactly. Since reality is constantly changing. There isn't a present moment because that assumes a static point of time.

No. What about 30 seconds? You keep repeating this sentence as if it were from your holy book. You obviously don't know if that's true because you didn't die yet.

@Mu_ huh?

There is an old Buddhist saying " form is empty. Emptiness is form". It's basically pointing to the collapse of the duality between somethingness and nothingness. I've realized it many times.. That something and nothing are identical. The mistake is thinking that "nothing" is some blank black void somewhere. No.. Everything we are experiencing all the time is precisely nothing. It's completely hollow and unstable. No different than appearance of a Dream. Even scientifically speaking.. If you break down the atoms that make up the universe.. You will get waves of energy. Break down the energry and you get nothingness . We know now through quantum physics that the universe is literally made out of nothing. But I stil can't wrap my head around... Why there is "stuff"? Why colors and sounds and objects? It's utterly miraculous that these things exist at all.. Like if you examine any object or just your own body.. "Wow what the fuck is this? ?." . But we take it for granted because we've been alive for lots and lots. My question : I get that there is no difference between something and nothing. But I can't wrap my mind around why there is "stuff". If the universe was just pure empty blankness that would still be nothing but rather in its most "pure" and original form possible. So why did God bother to say "let there be light"?

@Nahm NOTICE that you are saying there is not two..meanwhile you are creating two by insisting on the distinction between thought and perception. Isn't that itself a duality (twoness) ? That would be two?

Alright got it. 'two' is a thought and not found in perception. Will grant ya that. Does that apply to 'not two' as well ? And everything else that can be said about perception is therefore false and you wanna be left with naked perception? Yes.. two is a thought that's arising. It's not a perception. but it corresponds to perception. If you look at the mirror.. The thought " 3 or 4 eyes" won't arise because it doesn't correspond to perception. And once again.. how do you relate that to my original question here about the existence of stuff?

@Mason Riggle?

@The0Self if there is no beginning then there is no end? Was there an ultimate beginning or is it infinte in all directions? Dude that's creepy af It should be self-sufficient. You? If there is no beginning and no ending then it's infinite. And therefore nowhere.

It's comforting to see how clueless everyone is.

Got it. So basically no body fucking knows? @Inliytened1 where did the possibilities come from? You could think of alternative being an empty formlessness without any potential. Well look.. It's both two and not two. That's the mindfuck of it. For example you can say there is no experiencer experiencing experience. Experience is one undevided whole. But on the other hand you can locate apparent twoness and boundaries. If you go look at the mirror.. "you" will see two separate eyes. They are united by the same filed of experience yet they are devided and separate nonetheless.

@fridjonk haha trust me I don't The latest theory is that of the big crunch. The universe will reverse it's expanding process that happened with the big bang and crunch on itself. and that's the end as modern physics suggests. What do i know? All possibilities are possible.

@Nahm @Nahm OK let's stop trying to outsmart each other. I honestly and as usual not sure what you are on about lol.. Will give you last chance (?) to clarify what you mean in the water and ice example. Tell me water is analogous to what and how do you explain the existence of the physical stuff we see around.