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Well if you actually experienced "God" telling you xyz then that would be true for you because you experienced it. Otherwise you would be deluding yourself. And people are not gonna Believe you unless you show them that supposed God. Again what is the criteria here? Direct experience. I'm saying two people can disagree about anything if it's thought based or speculative in nature. While they can never disagree upon something they both have the same experience of. Which should show you that direct experience is the only certain parameter.

@Mu_ my definition of TRUTH as direct sensory experience is true because it is true. It can't be justified any further. It is what it is. We've hit rock bottom. Consider that 7 billion people on the planet agree that sun exists because they are directly experiencing it.. While disagreement on matters like religious beliefs is simply due to lack of experience and faith based Truth.

Now here's a mindfuck.. You actually don't know what other people perceive. You don't know if your red is their red. You both call red to be red.. But you actually have no way to perceive the red via the eyes of others. I think this ties nicely with this whole "only thing you know to be for sure is your own experience" thing that I'm kinda preaching. Let alone that you don't know what "color" is. You actually have no idea what anything is but just to make it specific otherwise it's possible to deconstruct entire human knowledge if it's not founded on direct experience. @Nahm sorry not quite understanding you.

LOL. There is just no need to dig down that rabbit hole. I'm real. Helllo? ? Who are you asking? ?

What you (perhaps) don't understand is that all these things are relative. "you" "ego" depends on the definition. If we define "me" as the physical body.. Then certainly "me" exists. If we define "me" as a unicorn.. Then certainly "me" doesn't exist. Also.. Unity doesn't make sense without the concept of separation. Nothing makes sense without its opposition (that which is not it). None of these things are Absolute Truth. @VeganAwake Yep.

@VeganAwake ..Your kids are not a concept.. They are not a "conditioned thought".. They are not "the mind running rampant".... They are Absolute Truth. So-called perception or sensory experience (your five-sensed experience of a 3D world. Nothing fancy)... turns out to be the only absolute Truth. You know what that means? It means it's certainly True. It's certainly existing. That's all. I'm not making a huge discovery here. Truth turns out to be the most obvious thing ever. Which is precisely why it goes overlooked and filterd out. While whatever conceptual knowledge one might have (reincarnation.. No self.. This.. That etc) are not the Truth in the sense that they are uncertain by nature. Because they are just ideas and speculation. Easy enough?

Yes I didn't say others are not sentient. I said it's an unresolvable issue. Since you only have experience of your own sentience. Just making a clear distinction that your own conscience is certainly True. While others will remain a mystery.

@Nahm except it is possible. I have done it.

I never said that. You can play video games all day long. And that's about as enlightened as you can get. God doesn't give a F. You finally can be happy. Consider that if you are not happy in life.. That's because you are not Conscious of Truth.

@Vibroverse your understanding of "True" is not the same for me. My own definition of TRUTH=undeniably True. Only direct experience meets this definition. All philosophy is just conceptual noise.

Nope. Direct experience is certain. Memory isn't. Neither is an external material objective world. You are intelligent enough to see that I'm not saying solipsism here.. I'm saying "it's not certain" that existence is an objective medium and not just figment of your consciousness. Like a dream. One cannot validate or invalidate the existence of that which supposedly exists outside one's own subjective experience. For example you can't prove that the past really happened.. You can't prove that history happened... Yeah you moan all you want about history but you cannot prove it. All you have is a present moment. Heard of simulation theory argument? You can't prove that you are not a brain in a vat.. Which is an updated version of Rene Descartes's evil demon doubt. Common to many science fiction stories.. it presents a scenario in which a mad scientist.. machine.. or other entity might remove a person's brain from the body.. suspend it in a vat of life-sustaining liquid.. and connect its neurons by wires to a computer which would provide it with electrical impulses identical to those the brain normally receives.According to such stories.. the computer would then be simulating reality (including appropriate responses to the brain's own output) and the "disembodied" brain would continue to have perfectly normal conscious experiences.. such as those of a person with an embodied brain.. without these being related to objects or events in the real world. This is also similar to simulation theory. It's actually not possible to prove with 100 %certainty that we are not inside a video game right now that some teenagers are playing in a different universe. All you can be certain of is your direct moment of experience.

I answered this point. It's not that I'm denying memories...or the past.. Or other beings.. Or atoms and molecules.. Or galaxies etc... Because all these things you have no direct experience of In the present moment....I'm NOT denying these things..... I'm making a clear distinction between what is undeniably True And certain and what isn't... The only thing that is certain is your direct experience. Anything else is beliefs.

@Endangered-EGO every philosophy is false.

@Endangered-EGO @VeganAwake @Jodo More or less.... It doesn't take much intelligence to recognize that direct experience is all you ever Had and all you ever will have of reality. Make the distinction between the sensation of your hands? and all your thoughts and concepts (including spiritual concepts ). It's not hard to make. You can do it. Actual reality only comes to you through direct experience. Looking at your hand and thinking about your hand are two different things. One is sense.. one is thought. What we gotta get clear about is what is real and what is belief. If you close your eyelids.. your house disappears from your senses right? But you still believe the house exists. But see.. your belief at that point is a concept.. not sensed ..right? That's what it means that your house disappears when you are not conscious of it . Technically what disappeared is your visuals of the house. Your belief that the house is more than that is not in the house but in your head. And those beliefs may persist when you close your eyes.. but your reality of the house.. The visuals have vanished. See the difference here? What I'm trying to show to you is how much of your reality is actually conceptual instead of literal. When you become more mindful of this.. You can start to see that many beliefs you have about what is real and true are in fact false beliefs. Your visual of your house is not your concept of your house. Often times we take the conceptual house and think that that is what is real. No.. technically what is real is your thought as something sensed and the visuals of the house. The thought-story (the meaning of the thought sensed) is not real.. Yet that is what unenlightened people take to be most real.

@LastThursday you could call it cheesecake if you like. Now your point Is that the raw data is not the same thing as the label ? Yes will give ya that. Now stick with the raw data of the thing that we colloquially call "hand".. How is that not "the Truth"?. Or the thing that we colloquially understand from the word "Truth"?

Since we are communicating... There is the barrier of language. Absolute Truth is the framing itself. And the info that is being framed. It's simply everything that exists or is happening. Are you denying that there is even such thing as "truth"? Notice how self-defeating that claim is...... How can truth doesn't exist? Do you realize that Truth is the only thing there is? Isn't your denial of Truth itself a claim of Truth? Direct experience is right here. Take a look at it. Don't speculate. Derive the answer from direct experience itself not through thinking about it abstractly. No. How so? How is your experience of sight a concept? How is your hand a concept? I just don't get it A concept would be something like "the holy trinity". Or "atoms and molecules". Which you have never experienced directly

@James123 I know arguing with you is futility.

Dude what are you talking about? OP summarized :"no beliefs.. No conceptual knowledge. Only direct experience is Truth".

Yes. Of course. Go look at the mirror and find them. You can call them sweet potatoes for all I care.. But "they" are there. @allislove what monkey mind are you talking about? Did you even read OP?

Isn't that solipsism? I wouldn't go as far as saying "there is only my experience and none of you guys are experiencing anything". The correct formulation is "only my experience is certain to exist.".big difference.

Don't be upset.. If you like.. You can join your mother next time. But she might reject it. She wants it all for herself.

I'm disappointed the thread got derailed by dumb questions.

Yes she enjoyed her time. Tell her I say "halo" back at her.

Cool.. Then go find where she is hanging out. As I told you.

@wwhy wwhy don't you go found where your own mother is hanging out? Wwhy?