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@Tim R its like I feel existence is so pointless. Even if you become a billionaire there is really nothing that significant waiting for you .. If you have enough food to eat.. What is more money going to do anyways??? What is fucking 3 girls at the bar going to do?? Lol People are busy chasing after things and I'm just more sensitive to realize it's all bullshit. I'm not disturbed per se.. But I feel like being is all that left. And I don't wanna face the emptiness of being.

No I'm pretty much done with all forms of seeking.. I see it clearly as illusion . All seeking and desire is pointless like a hamster in a wheel. Now I'm left with mixed feelings of peace.. Emptiness and boredom.

That's enlightenment

@LastThursday correlation doesn't equal causation, they say.

@allislove well there is apparent separation.. Nonduality is hidden within duality. I'm speaking from relative perspective.

@allislove were you asking about separation between humans and animals?

Yes I can

@Nahm stop it.

@mandyjw wave or particle? Observer? What does that to do with OP?

None of your business.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/they

In the context of humans.. t's not something you gain.... it's a falling away of who you thought you were and the realization of true self. Which by the way feels like nothing and everything at the same time kind of hard to explain. Judgment becomes pointless because you know they are just conditioned thought patterns. You look at things as they are. The saying "it is what it is" Rings true with enlightenment. To me Enlightenment is simply the Truth realized in all aspects of existence. It's not necessarily that your ego dissolves or goes anywhere ...you can just choose not to listen to it.. Etc all That is present to some extent naturally in animals.

They are not unenlightened =they are enlightened. Was not asking can they "become" enlightened.. But it's their natural state

Would you say they are not capable of thinking outside of the realm of their survival. And that's pretty much a huge facet of being awake.. Is not concerning oneself with too much overthinking in the future and the past and what's outside one's direct experience. They are just in touch with direct experience. I don't believe enlightenment is a matter of intelligence. They suffer less psychological suffering.. They have more peace and surrender to the present moment.. They have less mental anguish.. Etc all these are enlightened characteristics.. They don't necessarily need to be earned. They are just born with it. I would say they are more in tune and touch with their own being then us humans and live less in concepts and more in the real world. That makes them more naturally "enlightened" than us.

We are also ignorant but we struggle due to the illusion of knowing that comes as we grow up.. However animals don't have that inner struggle against their ignorance. They seem completely at peace with their ignorance.

It does feel that expectations from society nowadays are too high. I also find myself exhausted and longing for an extended periods of isolation. camping sounds heavenly to me right now :). I have also realised that a lot of the times I put a lot of expectations on myself and have realised the only way that I can deal with this is by putting very specific boundaries in place.. including my sleeping times. Quitting society is not always a possibility but if we are able to make time for ourselves somewhere during the week just to read.. sleep or do that fun thing that we have been wanting to do for ages..then I really do believe we can make it through these difficult times.o. ne day at a time. If anyone experienced with van life or living as a drop out have some info.. Please share. Of course the first concerns is how to survive.. Unless you have stable access to food and shelter etc.

You might have wondered.. Why philosophy is not discussed almost anywhere in mainstream society... Well that's because we live in a science Era where scientists have took ownership of the issue of knowledge from philosophers for decades by now. And I wanna present to you the core principle that makes science preferable to philosophy these days in approach to knowledge. Specifically to metaphysics. Simply because metaphysical subjects are impossible to prove or to disprove. Thus makes debating metaphysics considered a meaningless activity by mainstream society. A statement is meaningful if and only if it can be proved true or false.. at least in principle.. by means of the experience -this assertion is called the verifiability principle (aka the "verifiability criterion of meanng)The meaning of a statement is its method of verification.. that is we know the meaning of a statement if we know the conditions under which the statement is true or false. When are we sure that the meaning of a question is clear? Obviously if and only if we are able to exactly describe the conditions in which it is possible to answer yes...or..respectively.. the conditions in which it is necessary to answer with a no. The meaning of a question is thus defined only through the specification of those conditions... The definition of the circumstances under which a statement is true is perfectly equivalent to the definition of its meaning. ... a statement has a meaning if and only if the fact that it is true makes a verifiable difference. Metaphysical statements are not empirically verifiable and are thus forbidden: they are meaningless. That's why it's cringe to talk about the true nature of reality and such topics. The only role of philosophy nowadays is the clarification of the meaning of statements and their logical relationships. There is no distinct "philosophical knowledge" over and above the analytic knowledge provided by the formal disciplines of logic and mathematics and the empirical knowledge provided by the sciences. Needless to say that's not how I view.philosophy.i actually study philosophy as my career. It's is absolutely necessary (and we can discuss that). But that's how it's looked upon nowadays epistemologically.

@Reciprocality Philosophy tries to study and understand the fundamental nature of two things: the existence of man.. and the relationship between man and existence. It also has many branches: metaphysics.. logic.. politics, epistemology.. ethics.. anesthetics.. and specific philosophy in fields like philosophy of language.. history.. the mind.. and religion. among others. The comparison is with science here.. Philosophy and science are two studies and domains. Philosophy came first and became the basis for science.. formerly known as natural philosophy. Both studies have many branches or fields of study and make use reasoning.. questioning, and analysis. The main difference is in the way they work and treat knowledge. ... Science is concerned with natural phenomena.. while philosophy attempts to understand the nature of man existence, and the relationship that exists between the two concepts. Another common element between the two studies is that they both try to explain situations and find answers. Philosophy does this by using logical argumentation.. while science utilizes empirical data. Philosophy’s explanations are grounded in arguments of principles.. while science tries to explain based on experiment results.. observable facts.. and objective evidence. Aka direct experience. That's why science is stronger epistemologically. .Science is used for instances that require empirical validation.. while philosophy is used for situations where measurements and observations cannot be applied. Science also takes answers and proves them as objectively right or wrong. .Subjective and objective questions are involved in philosophy.. while only some objective questions can be related in science. Aside from finding answers.. philosophy also involves generating questions. Meanwhile.. science is only concerned with the latter. Philosophy creates knowledge through thinking science does the same by observing.

@Blackhawk feel free to disagree

Lol. You miss the point. Let's be clear there is no difference phenomenologically. Both dream and reality ARE reality. Isn't that obvious?..there might be differences In structures. Maybe the waking state is a more sophisticated Dream.. Yet still a dream relative to a higher order of reality you have yet to wake up to.

You assume the difference without being able to see it. What counts as dream? How do you know that you are not dreaming right now? How many times have you thought you were in "reality" only to wake up from a dream? What makes you sure right now is any different? Maybe "reality" is just the next level of dreaming... Maybe there is no end to dream levels.

Both are just appearances. Fundamentally there is no difference. You don't even know that you are dreaming while you're dreaming and that's precisely why you don't know it right now

@wwhy I reported you. Mind your dirty lips

It isn't wrong. Objectively that is. Only from your pov. You lack nuance to see that.

@wwhy you didn't answer the damn question. No one is saying go rape.. But it isn't objectively wrong like it or not. And let aside karma and such bullshit for a while..