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@Dodo yea I don't buy this.. When you're dead you're dead and that's it. Probably. Or we don't know. I'm stuck in nihilism. not in some psychotic manic depression right now my anxiety is actually relatively low and I'm very calm/even if you were to see me talk or behave in real life. But this terror is still there. I'm staring at death. Complete impermanence. Staring at the complete futility and absolute meaninglessness of everything. It's not going anywhere.. it's not doing anything. There's no goals..no ambitionsmm ..no hope..it's just this. The meaninglessness.. The fact that the meaninglessness is absolutely irrefutable. Pointless. The step ahead is complete self annihilation and the fear holds me back. It involves sacrificing everything . Absolutely everything. My sanity... my connection to my family.. but most of all me me me .

I mean when yo die its light off forever. So it will be as if you never even existed. That makes all your striving In life futile. No I'm saying nothing needs to happen In Order for you to be satisfied. Because you will never be satisfied with "things" because they are finite and limited and you go on chasing them forever and you never satisfy your desire. You never escape desire while in an embodied form and maybe even never escape it beyond that. You merely change from one desire to another. My solution to tackling lower desires that might be detrimental to you is to taste the elegance of the highest experience or realization. Then you will naturally focus on that.. and your life will have more net positivity than negativity. Of course the highest experience isn’t some heroin high. It’s God. Experience God.. and you will want to experience more. This will slowly reduce your desires for everything else. I can’t even give a shit about playing video games when I literally used almost every free moment of my teenage years playing games. Making money doesn’t interest me nearly as much. The same can be said for sex and everything else. They have all become secondary or even lower on the priority list. I have no answers to those metaphysical questions. I don't claim to know that. All I know and I'm aware of is that all there is.. Is the present moment. This experience right now is all of reality. And it has no explanation and no previous causes. It's 100 % mystical. I've contemplated and deeply deconstructed reality to the point where I'm beginning to be on the cusp of loosing control and going insane. So don't bare with me if you like lol

@EmptyVase Me thinks if you experimented with what hunger actually is.. you might find its resistance to doing the work needed to get full.. rather than the lack of fullness itself. If you're walking to the shops to buy food.. there aint suffering right in the midst of the pure doing the walking to the shops. Theres only suffering when you stop doing what will make you full(shop being closed). So instead of viewing desire as something that has to be quenched.. you can view it as a signal or reminder to maximize whatever it takes to get into that pure doing state. Then its fully quenched until that changes. Sometimes the doing feels so good that the result aint worth it in the end. Sometimes what you desired wasnt the lobster but the jog to the shops.. sometimes what you desired is the growth from the doing, rather then the result from the doing. Sometimes you'll discover that thinking a desire will only be quenched once you manifest it causes suffering and a whole load of problems like fear you'll never manifest it, getting upset when results dont go your way.. toxic pickup mentality.. toxic work culture.. etc whereas if you reframed it to realizing the doing = the quenching and satisfaction itself.. those myrad of problems dissolve.

Considering their child-like innocent state.. They live completely and comfortably in the present moment and they act according to their instincts directly without much conceptual bullshit and belief systems etc. They seem to not indulge in unnecessary thinking about the past and the future. Cats for example are so zen if you ever saw one.

I know. They mean it in a timely way. . Lol. Me too. 'Some years ago' before having any moments of altered consciousness but I already had meditated for a while and listened some Leo, s videos of questioning beliefs/spirituality...etc.. I was with my father in a village near my city and we were looking at a roman bridge.. and I suddenly got this intuition/insight downloaded inside my mind.. and I said to him "Do you realize that we actually haven't been in the roman empire/we only have lived since x years.. so we really haven't had in real proof that romans existed?" "Ye.. the proof astronomically but it just feels from our experience there is also 0% proof that they existed". Do they? If time is non-existent.. reality exists since "I" was born. So my consciousness has created a story about a "past",.which created the culture I live in (which also a creation of consciousness) Romans existed but only in my hallucination..didn´t they? In the moment consciousness stopped creating a story about romans and an historical past, there are no romans anymore.. right? actually contemplate this.. How do you know you were even born or had a childhood? Even if you have video evidence of your mother giving birth to you.. it proves nothing. That would be you looking at a baby being born and identifying with it as you - but that thing on the screen is not you. The baby being born in the video is a facsimile and a mirage on magnetic tape To know if you were born you would very literally have to go back in time and re-experience at first hand being born. So.. the problem is: there is no time. All other evidence is second hand and not to be trusted no matter how convincing. "Romans" is just a concept i have.. made up of hundreds of little interconnected factoids. Romans for me.. exist right now,.. as a mental web of concepts. All I'm doing is identifying the concept "Romans" with the concept "Past"

@Forestluv I wanna make sure it's not a matter of disagreement over words. You can use the word "now" or "present moment" or "infinity" or tuna sandwich if you like... It's pointing to the same thing. Direct experience. a look at your hands .. That's what I mean by "now". Not relative to anything. Now is an absolute. It exists but without any contrast. Can you find a contrast to direct experience? "the past" is just a thought appearing as now. The past is really just memory. And what are memories? Thoughts. And what are thoughts? They are Now. So when you get down to it.. The past is now lol. I think I agree.. As I said it's not a matter of semantics. ISness is what I mean by now.

No. You can't deny the now because obviously here it is. However we don't need future \ past timeline because it's quite literally doesn't exist in direct experience anywhere else but in the now. Now is evident and undeniable and it doesn't need a past to be now as opposed to it. Imagine this moment is completely contextless and happening nowhere and no when.

There is literally nothing but what's happening right now. The past is just a thought in your head.. Which is also happening right now. It's quite radical to realize this but quite obvious as well.

It's because we are under the illusion that there is a goal.. the goal is real. In that illusion there is a constant movement away from THIS. . It is a perpetual denying of this just being. The movement away from this makes it appear real and seem like there is something to achieve or get.. in order to achieve fulfillment. The fullfilment is never satisfied permanently.. only through quick fixes.. which actually is the satisfaction of fulfilling/feeding the energy of needing.. for a moment. When this is only real and you deny the unreality that this is too.you are off balance and unsatisfied.

Nah its the same thing. We all know we're gonna die.. and if you keep reflecting on it you will drive yourself crazy . So you forget about it completely until you literally kinda stop believing in it.. So that you can continue living your life. And btw.. Death is completely uncertain. Nothing is certain aside from the present moment. So no one actually knows if life is short or gonna die. How about this?

Nothing will change. You already know it. You already know that you gonna die and you don't seem to give a fuck about it.

There is no "i".. I can conceptually understand that. However.. that sense of "i" gives rise to the experience that then becomes "my life" as if i am experiencing something. Ad it "all of this" is happening to an "i". When You come to understand that the "i" is an illusion.. you also understand that you can not really know really if there is still an "i" there. So what you do? You say: "OK.. since i understand that.. I have to find a way to dissolve the " i".. then i can know the truth for what it is". And this is what you do.. you use psychedelics to achieve this. And other methods. But 'nobody ' knows that. As Jim Newman said. When you do psychedelics.. you have that experience. You see things for what they really are. Then your "i" comes back. And of course thinks he knows what it was seen. Somebody says: "This was absolutely terrifying". Leo prefers to say: "This was absolutely fantastic". But you see.. this is a duality. This is just an interpretation that the "i" imposes on that experience. So when you come back.. you think you know what you saw. But of course you don't. What you saw was meaningless. It is not there for anybody. It just is. It is not wonderful.. unconditional love. an incredible intelligent design. It is has not a greater scheme. It is not a bigger picture. It is not even meaningless. It just is. It can't be described. Now why are you all guys giving such meaning to those kind of experiences? Why does leo talk about all this "wonderfull" things.. which can be all a fairy tale? The way i see it.. is that when you die, it's done. Never has really happened. Nothing needs to happen.And nobody will understand this. It Just is. For no one. Leo keeps saying that this work is not for you.. It's not for your survival. Sorry I'm just ranting and rambling here but..

Yeah why don't i just drop all of this non duality nonsense.. forget about it and go live my life to the fullest without fear. See.. I can't.. because free will is just an illusion. This does not mean passivity.. it doesn't lock you into a particular experience where you now have to be a certain way and give everything else up. This is what the non dual bullshitters on here and teachers are talking about.. but there are absolutely no rules. THIS is not about anything.. it is not about being good. . It is not about being peaceful..it is not about being better than the average Joe that has no idea what the fuck non duality is,..it is freeeeedom. I feel like the main motivation for many is how they will be special and better than those "ignorant normal folks".. spirituality is merely about being better for most. This gives that need nothing.. and it leaves you with nothing.

It Can occur that there is no longer identification with the seeking. Or Taking it less seriously. That's what kinda happened to me at some point... The frustration and seeking fatigue can suddenly lead to a total surrender to the hopelessness of seeking. Then there is just what is without any attempt to grasp it in any way...a full stop in trying to get somewhere else. What is left is not a state of absolute knowing and omniscience.. what is left is what already is without the seeking energy of trying to change anything. Because What is longed for is not a state. that is what the seeker longs for because it is in it's own dissatisfying dream of this not being it.. what is left is what is truly longed for: this without need of being anything other than what it is.

@Carl-Richard @Epikur I don't care about embracing anything anymore. Im just tired of word games and concepts. I have had depersonalization and used to obsess over those things which made my sense of reality more thickle and slippery. Feeling i have no purpose sucks and ruins your whole life. It is impossible to find the answer yet we are trapped in a constant stream of never ending seeking. Even leo can't stop seeking because he is still in the dream believing he is achieving something serious. what a fuck... Well i guess im alive so only choice is to start living now.

Addicted to cigarettes. No I can't tolerate boredom.

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Here's a simple way to look at it.. What is meant is simply that there is no "perceiver" ..as a duality (perception +perceiver)... You can indeed open a skull and see a brain and you can see your own brain (let's assume that's possible) but these are just perceptions supposedly occurring inside the perceiver brain.. You can see a brain as a perception.. But the Assumed perceiver brain can never be perceived because the perceiver can't be an object of perception. The perceiver can't perceive itself. Just like the eye can't see itself and the knife can't cut itself. So to summarize.. There are brains found in perception.. But the brain that's assumed to be perceiving them can't be found. Was never found and will never be found. Because it sits outside of perceptions. There is in fact no "perceiver" aside from perception. If you take a look at direct experience.. You can't find a perceiver. All you find are perceptions. If you manage to name a perceiver..notice that's just another perception. The perceiver "the ego mind" is an optical illusion.

@Carl-Richard I agree with @allislove that life itself with all its forms is "enlightened".. It's all different expressions of the same energy. Every being is enlightened in its own way..because it's inevitable part of the cosmic dance. You seem to have a strict definition of enlightenment that I don't agree with. Enlightenment has nothing to do with "wisdom" or "thoughts".

@Mason Riggle who said I have a problem? I'm saying that I come to a place where I see the hopelessness of desire and to transcend it. But it does have some nihilistic implications that I'd like to put out there.

Apparent you.

It's basically the idea that there is Nothing to achieve or nothing that is worth striving for. No matter how much you chase stuff.. You end up right back where you started and you never arrive by achieving your desires. As I said when desire is achieved It actually multiply.. It increases. And you you are left with empty hands always.

Yes but rocks aren't even sentient beings. Animals.. They simply are but they are conscious.

I don't know.

I think yes. It of course depends on what version of enlightenment are we talking about.. Here I'm talking about the simplicity of being without ego agenda and delusion. Humans are so delusional. Animals are lighter.