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What to expect from doing this work and taking it to the very end? What is the ultimate goal of all spiritual work and personal development? What is the maximum potential to unlock here? What are we really after from all this enlightenment work and Self-help? I heard Leo once saying that realizing you are God will instantly solve all of your problems in life.. Not only that but it will "heal" you from every illness you have. Is that true? My own insights is that there is none. Ultimately everything is pointless and there is no ultimate goal. But then why do the work? What's the motivation? Some might say happiness and fulfillment. But is happiness really achieved in the future after accomplishments X and Y and Z.. Isn't the whole point of spirituality is to find unconditional peace and happiness in the present moment and overwhelming love? I guess I want to know where I am heading with this work? For those of you who think they made it to the very end.. What did you get?

What I mean is that the timeless formless essence is incarnated in everything across infinity. So this very moment is eternity. But we can't deny movement (change) or time. That's like the other side of the coin of eternity. @Jonty ?

@Jonty May I add that eternity has nothing to do with time at all. The moment is incessant within the framework of time yet leaves a "debris" trail in objectivity we capture existential portions of time and structure it into the subjective moment. this compilation unfolds our being in the existential moment. Eternity is outside of time in fact it is everywhere all at once, unconditionally. Our problem is our time bound conceptions. Thanks for allowing my thought

Not sure. But first how do you collapse that duality in the first place? Something seems to be happening and it's self-evident undeniably true.

So What I understand is that motion is necessarily a process. It does not exist at any given point in time. It exists ACROSS time. Existence is always in the NOW... But it marches relentlessly forward. We can't actually stop time to examine [time b], thus, this notion of [time b] is in large part a [concept of something that isn't possible to experience]. It happens so fast that we cannot distinguish between it and the infinitely many instants that exist in the micro second before and after [time b]. If we could observe [time b], however, there would NOT be any motion in that (or any other) frozen moment. I believe we can see the same basic structure in the notion of [infinity]. Infinity is the idea of [endlessness]. In other words, it is an unending process. If the process ever end, what we have is no longer infinty.

There is no where to go.

What is "truth" in your book? Isn't truth ="the world of form"?

It's not so much the wording that matters. Call it work or whatever else. My question is what's the point of these activities? What's the biggest aim behind all this? It's not a straight line. Sometimes I enjoy them. Sometimes not.

Nothing?

Enlightenment and Self-help work such as :meditation.. Self inquiry.. Contemplation.. Yoga.. Exercise.. Diet..shadow work etc

What do you mean?

@Consilience is "lasting happiness" a realistic goal? Since everything is impermanent

Then what's the point of doing the work?

Nice explanation. I think I agree with you. I had the same insight. I even wrote about this the following passage in my journal : "This is the only reality. Here and now. I know it's a dead horse at this point. But literally think about this. .. You think this present moment came from a past?. Well if you only bother to look right now and see that you can't find any past here. Except maybe in your skull (thoughts) which is where again? Here lol. You can only find here here and now now. You are not moving from a past to a present. You are creating (imagining) a past in the present and calling it a past. Just a label "past" made of present ofcourse. Every word is precisely what's happening. I'm being infinitely accurate please focus on every single word and validate what I'm saying. You got it completely backwards. The present didn't come from the past. The past is constantly coming from the present. And where did the present come from? No need to speculate. Let's find out. Look and see. Do you find anywhere else but here for here to come from? No. Therefore literally the answer is the present didn't come from anywhere. The present is God. Here didn't come from there. You don't find you will never find a here and a there. It's always ever here. Here didn't come from there. There is always constantly coming out of here not the other ways around. THIS is the beginning of time. Right now this is God saying let there be light. Not even being cute or exaggerating. Something very radical is being said. You don't need to believe me. Look and see if it's true. What exists? Here. What about yesterday? It's here. The big bang? It's here. As a thought. Forget about your entire past and literally try to grasp that now is completely fresh unbelievable godness that has nothing to do with a past or a big bang or gods or Jesus or Leo or this or that. And notice that here didn't come from somewhere because it's all here. Everything you want to know is right under your nose. You are literally nowhere. You are literally just here and that's it. I am that I am?. But but how do you got here? Where did you get here from? Who told you that you got here from there? Do you find or can you find anywhere else but here for here to come from?. This is the first moment in your life. Yesterday is a thought found today. Always. Every yesterday is always found today and it can't be otherwise. You are stuck in todayness forever. This is the last day of your life. No more days. Just being here in the eternal now. Now in the eternal here. The time is not 6 pm or 6 am anymore. The time is always now. "

@Tim R the content of this present is constantly moving and changing. Isn't time synonymous with change? How do you explain memory and past events if there is no time?

Because of your survival agenda

@Tim R If there is no "now" then what exists?

@Tim R What I understand is that motion is necessarily a process. It does not exist at any given point in time. It exists ACROSS time.

God is everything

I want to quit cold turkey. @dflores321 you are right. The problem is with my lazy ass. @Gesundheit2 nice suggestions.

@Goldzilla delusional.

What do you mean?

@dflores321 dude that's outside my comfort zone lol. Too lazy

The scientific approach to death is that when you die, the machinery that generates those memories of who you were, those ideas of who you might be, and your awareness of those thoughts and of the world currently around you now and how you feel about it, that machinery stops working. So those thoughts cease to be. Sadly, then, I fear that when you die, that is a permanent end to present awareness. Is it true that after you die.. It will be just like before you were born? Completely lights out? Or am I going to pop up out of nowhere again mysteriously just like my previous birth? And why do I find myself anxious about both possibilities?

@Tim R thank you. Although I meant a long summary like those on the mega-thread