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Hmmm. Cosmologists today are by no means certain that the universe is infinite. It's uncertain. Even if the present does recur in some way, there is no reason for our decisions right now or the next second to be identical. There are three different theories 1. Big Bounce 2. Big freeze 3. Big rip We don't know which is true. [there are other variations e.g. the idea of baby universes forming inside of some black holes and then budding off to make their own space-time not connected to ours in any way] In all these theories our universe continues into the future not just for centuries, for billions of years. For all except the Big Rip it continues for trillions of years. With the Big Freeze then there isn’t any recurrence, as with each new moment, the universe is just a bit colder. Every second, the already very cold background radiation is slightly cooler throughout the universe due to the expansion of space. With the big Rip, it may lead to a new universe after the big Rip as it looks very like the inflation stage of our universe so just possibly could start a new universe. With the big Bounce, time continues through to the new universe. So - the new universe will have new stars and new planets and be altogether new. With eternal recurrence, if there are infinitely many big bounces, then eventually two of the bounces will start identically. That doesn't mean that our bounce ever happens again but one of the infinitely many bounces happens again. NO REASON FOR THE NEXT SECOND TO BE THE SAME AS BEFORE - EVEN IF UNIVERSE HAS BEEN IDENTICAL BY CHANCE FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS However that doesn't mean it has to continue the same way as before even if it started identical. Because - for instance suppose we ended up like this in a future universe, identical situation, me typing the same words into a computer in an identical world. I could then type a different word next from the one the person similar to me typed in a previous universe. It would only be identical for all time if the universe was deterministic, that if you have the same situation the exact same things always happen including the exact same decisions of any living beings in that situation. But we are pretty certain that our universe is not deterministic. For instance radioactive decay is not deterministic. The motion of air molecules is not deterministic, you can't predict exactly what will happen if one molecule hits another. Weather seems to be not deterministic either. So the decisions of humans are surely not deterministic. So, if the same situation as this with people that look exactly like us ever repeated, even if the universe was the same as ours identically for the last 13 billion years, there is no reason for us to do the same things as them in the next second. It is a similar idea with an infinitely large universe. If the universe is big enough you expect to find identical patches in it. The larger the universe the larger those patches that are identical. There is no reason why our patch particularly would repeat. But if it did, then somewhere, trillions of light years away from us, there might be a patch exactly like ours. But it would be the same, even if that patch was identical to ours for the last 14 billion years, there is no reason for it to continue to be the same for the next second.

The easiest way to grasp hold of the eternal return is simple. Imagine today is the last day you will ever live and then live it accordingly. Try and maximize each and every day as if it were your last. This way you can not afford to say ‘oh you know that there is always another time’ When you grasp the eternal return you fully empower the present and thus maximize it and hopefully then live a full and flourishing life. “I’m gonna live this day like it’s my last” is a popular saying. But to actually live by this saying and put it unwaveringly into practice is I truly think the Eternal Recurrence. One has to treat one’s day as if it was an eternity and once it ends everything stops. To be born again and die each day is something I think Nietzsche was making us aware of in Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

The ancient argument runs something like this. -The universe contains a finite amount of stuff -spread out over a finite amount of space. -This means that there’re only so many possible arrangements of that stuff. -Time, on the other hand, is infinite. -Therefore, identical arrangements of stuff must eventually recur, and -will do so infinitely many times

The best way to visualize this is to imagine a point travelling along a line. All of the points of the line actually exist, and always do, but from the point of view of the point itself, only the point it is on actually exists. The points already travelled are said to have existed in the past, but not anymore, while the points to be crossed are said to be that which will be, but is not yet. In this example the point represents our awareness, the points of the line already crossed represent our past, the points to be crossed represent our future, and all the other points on the plane on which the line is drawn represent possible pasts and futures --- possible paths the line could have taken but did not. And the idea here is that the entire plane actually exists, but that our present "reality" is limited to the particular point our awareness is on at the present moment.

From this, it appears to me that indeed you are referring to the so called "bang-crunch" model. If so, I see no reason to think that any "new" Universe would be an exact, or even necessarily a rough, replica of the current one. It may even be possible that a "new", or rather the "next", Universe may even have some fundamentally different laws than this one. So I would not base any idea of eternal recurrence on such a model, and, in fact, the original idea had nothing whatsoever to do with any contemporary cosmological models.

Look ..it's so simple but you are making it unnecessary complicated. if you are playing a game with your friends, and roll a 6, the idea here is that in a so called "parallel universe" a 2,3,4, and 5 were actually rolled, but our collective awareness only realized one of the 6 possibilities due to its limitation of only being able to perceive three dimensions of space at a time. If our awareness were able to perceive more than three dimensions of space, then we could realize all 6 possibilities at once. But in no "parallel world" is a 7 or 8, or a -2.5 rolled. So the idea here is that all of those other "yous" already exist. They don't have to be created, they already are, both those said to be in the past as well as those said to be in the future. They all exist concurrently, simultaneously, and eternally, the only question is whether or not our awareness will ever realize them or not. In this model, the past, present, and future all simultaneously exist, as well as all possible pasts and futures

Not being an expert I get confused with this side of QM. On one hand we have "many worlds" envisioned as bubbles of spacetime in hyperspace. It's believed that there are potentially an infinite number of these "bubble universes". Then there's parallel universes suggested as an answer to the double slit experiment. Some posit that the unrealised potential of waves that are rendered tangible by observation don't disappear but move into alternate realities. Either way, infinite possibilities need not necessarily mean that all possibilities are realised. Many possibilities will still be on the universe's "to do list" when it degenerates into black holes an then near nothingness. The chances of the universe reproducing an exact replica of you are extremely remote and the chances are that it will run through many other more likely permutations before getting to the "repeat Therammo" and "repeat Greta" possibilities.

@Mason Riggle all of this does not at all apply to all the details of your life, all the "incidental" things which happened the last time around which were not caused by these big cosmic forces, but rather were caused by small, trivial forces. These events may not repeat due to the incidental and random nature of the forces involved. What does this mean? It means that the next time around, when you are walking to school again, just like you did in your past life, you may take 875 steps to get there, rather than 876. Or you might notice a leaf falling from a tree this time on your walk, whereas last time you did not notice it, either because you just weren't aware of it last time or perhaps because the last time it fell 10 seconds earlier or later and you couldn't have seen it. Or perhaps in the last life, when you were playing monopoly with some friends, at a certain point you rolled an 11, whereas in this life you happen to roll a 12, and so on. The key to differentiating whether or not something will repeat or not is mainly based on the nature of the forces involved, whether they are "big" (like the Sun rising in the East), or "small" (like a slighly different force and direction of a die being rolled in a monopoly game).

@Mason Riggle yes they are different but similar. as far as you living another life, according to the theory of recurrence your next life will not be an exact replica of the current one, but it will be very similar. By this I mean that while incidental details might be different in your next life, all the "big" things and events which occurred in this life will repeat in the next.

@Mason Riggle it's not silly. It's based on a well known theory in modern physics. That there are infinite parallel universes with all the possibility of your life What does this mean? Well, first of all it means you will be born at the same time and place as the last time. If you were a Aries last time, you'll be an Aries again. Your genetic code will also be very similar. Once again, you will have the same general features --- brown hair, green eyes, a tendency to be healthy, or on the contrary, a tendency to be sick often, and so on. You will also have the same mother, father, brothers and sisters, etc. And once again you will live in the same city, the same country, with the same monuments, history, and general society. All the "big" things repeat. Why? Because the forces that caused these things are very "big", and they will be around the next time to produce the same general effects. P.S how do you explain deja vu ?

That has nothing to do with my original question. It's irrelevant whether you view existing as a blessing or a curse .what I am asking is my life going to repeat itself to infinity given that reality itself must be infinite. according to the multiverse model, all possible outcomes are actually realized, not just "possible". By definition they are possible. The point of this theory is that all possible outcomes are indeed realized in some so called "parallel universe". So yes, according to this view, in these alleged "parallel universes" there are other versions of "me" --- the "me" that could have been, or could be, or could become, but not the "me" that actually was, is, or will be in this Universe.

@SavourTime I don't remember "choosing " to exist or not .I feel forced to exist .

@Terell Kirby @integral lol you guys are trolling nofap . Just give it a try. Try it for a month. I promise you ,you will feel so much positive.

@peanutspathtotruth check this video out https://youtu.be/OtQBxsf1st8 It's about the effects of pornography on the human brain. As for masturbation..it just drains you for a tiny bit of pleasure. It's just not worth it for me.

The character you're experiencing is a character, i.e. an imaginary construct, that only seems 'concrete' and 'real' because you simultaneously imagine 'time', 'space', 'brain', 'physical world', 'other', 'self' etc. Consider that everything you "know" about yourself, i.e. age, education, friends, parents, siblings, job, country, year & date & time, girlfriends, life events, personality, that your body is 'yours' , every fucking thing in reality is nothing else than a story, a serious story, sure, but still in the end just social conditioning, programming. You're hard-coded by your genes and upbringing to believe you are 'a person that was born and that can and will die' ... The most fascinating thing we do to our children is we tell them 'please, Thomas(ine), be a good boy/girl and be it by yourself, not because we told you to!'... You see? We tell our children they should be loving, good, tolerant, well-behaved adults, while simultaneously telling them that if they don't feel that naturally, they are still sinning. You see how fucked up that is? It's called a "double-bind" (google the term). We are basically programming souls (our true most essential nature) into socially survival-oriented robots (ego) without telling these souls that we did it. Dude, all of your beliefs, age, history: it's all code. And you didn't code it yourself (most of it not, at least). Age? Who gives a fuck about age. Career? Who gives a fuck about your career. Beliefs? Who gives a fuck about what you believe in. Success, money, your outward fake appearance? Who gives a damn. Well, dude, I don't, cos I'm not sleeping in ego anymore, but most people actually seen to take all these 'statistics'/stories very, very seriously, and they seem to be happy with it (being robots, being asleep). But when it dawns on you one day, that the whole of your life has been nothing but code/programming, well that fucking hurts. That fucking hurts. Ignorance is Bliss as they say. But when you have that realization, you are basically beginning to wake up. And when you are completely tired of fake games and inauthenticity, well, then you're gonna wake up. But it takes time. You can't fuck around with ego or survival. It takes time. You are already completely perfect in the eyes of God. Reality is an eternal Infinite process/movement; and you're right in the middle of that process.

Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam? They have nothing but scorn for Christians who oppose the LGBT agenda. But Muslims oppose the LGBT agenda even more. To the point, in many Islamic countries, of killing gays. Feminists attack Christianity for its alleged mistreatment of women. But Islam treats women far, far worse than anything seen in the West. Similarly, Muslims in general support traditional sexual morality and oppose abortion. And, unlike Christians, in Islamic countries, they would likely punish the leftists who are agreeing with them for their secularism and unbelief. When a terrorist turns out to be a Muslim, those on the left make a point of saying that we shouldn’t blame all Muslims, which is true enough. And yet when a Christian does something that offends them, they don’t make the same caution against over-generalization about Christianity. Indeed, they often tar all Christians with the same brush. ................ Why?

Random Socrates quotes: "Wonder is the beginning of wisdom." "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." "I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think." "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." Enlightenment isn't something you have to know or could ever know or not-know. Enlightenment/Reality/The Real You CONTAINS 'knowing' & 'not-knowing'. It/You even fucking contains the hallucination of 'missing "It"/You' ... That's YOU. Before persona/ego. After persona/ego. Did you know 'person' means 'mask' in Latin? ? All our adult-cups-(of knowledge) are so full, that of course, we miss the most obvious thing of them all: The True Nature of Reality. Like a blind-born man who wants to find out what 'darkness' look like. Like a deaf-born woman who wants to find out what 'silence' sounds like. Like a fish that wants to find out what 'water' is .. It's THIS! THIS Reality is just raw experience itself. It's so fucking obvious, yet so fucking magical. You're IT.

@PepperBlossoms You see how it's all just a dream? Infinite imagination. You are all simultaneously: - the finite dream-character ('poor little me') (a dreamed up thing) - the physical world (a dreamed up thing) - the dreamer (God) (the undefinable source of it all) - the dream itself (Consciousness) (the structure, fabric and context of the dream) - 'the dreamed up things' (Love) (the contents of the dream) There is nothing outside this. This is it. It's infinite & for eternity.

Amen ?

@Zeroguy to die before you die . Not physically.

@peanutspathtotruth then we agree to disagree . I was merely pointing out the negative effects of pornography on our sexuality. And masturbation leads to porn anyways .so there's that. It makes sense to all of us that we don’t want children watching pornography. Pornography contains extreme, unrealistic depictions of sex acts that even most adults don’t engage in. Certainly it makes common sense, that showing those images to kids might confuse them at the least, or even warp their ideas about sex, gender and relationships.

Right now you're experiencing this particular perspective from this particular imaginary human body and mind. From this perspective, from the perspective of YOU as The Dao that can't be spoken, God, Absolute Eternal Infinite Consciousness, Norhingness... from that perspective,leo is just like a wave (imaginary you) in an eternal, infinite, dimensionsless ocean (real You, The Self-Less Self, Awareness Itself). What happens in a normal ocean when a wave finally splashes to the ground? ? A new wave starts to emerge, right. ? You are, in truth, the fabric and structure of existence itself. You are the whole ocean hallucinating it's only a wave. Isn't that what awakening reveals anyways ?

What I'm trying to communicate is NOT something that can be believed or learned or gained or attained or achieved or understood or known. What I'm trying to communicate can only 'be missed' (every adult seems to miss it) because it's so hilariously obvious to the real you, on the one hand, and extremely threatening to the ego (robot) that wants to survive and reproduce, on the other hand. "To not miss it" any longer, one - perhaps - has to imagine what the world looks like from the PoV of a 1-4 year old girl/boy. That's fucking it. One has to let go of beliefs. Empty your cup, as they say in Zen. It's much much more about unlearning than learning. It's about embracing the mental state of 'not-knowing' instead of being addicted to 'knowing'. Did Newton know about gravity before he 'got it' when the apple fell down onto him? Hell no, he was first in a state of not-knowing. Was Einstein addicted to 'knowing things' (= clinging to beliefs to make sense of the chaotic world) before he 'invented'/'realized' the (theory of) relativity of time & space? ? ? ?☯️??⌛? Hell fucking no. Einstein (and Niels Bohr and other great mystics) was curious and open-minded in extreme ways that most people can only dream of. Einstein acknowledged and embraced the fact that, absolutely speaking, he knows 0. Nothing at all. Even General Relativity is just a useful, accurate, mathematical *model* ... at best. Precisely because of the fact he acknowledged he didn't know shit, he was able to grasp such a magical mind-bending thing as the relativity of time & the curvature of space. What preceded these genius insights was <a total empty, calm 'state of not-knowing'>. Period. Let go. Accept. Surrender to your Innocence. Swim in your inner humility. Plant seeds in the garden of your mind so that your inner essential serenity, courage, truthfulness, non-attachment, love, sobriety, authenticity can begin to grow and overthrow your programmed ego.

Whatever you believe IS real. As in objectively real? Of course not. Nothing is. That's what's REAL: That absolutely nothing is real. It's so unreal it simultaneously becomes real. You see? Be careful what you believe in.

I'm still waiting for your clarification.