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@ivankiss what do you really know?

@ivankiss the truth is we don't know shit.

Is there a difference between 'liberation' as talked about by teachers like Jim Newman and Tony parsons and Anna brown.. And 'god realization' as talked about by Leo? Tbh I still don't understand what are the full components of God realization. Aside from that you are God dreaming up all of reality. What the above teachers teach is that there is no self with free will and choice and simply that 'all is well' and everything is literally heaven and you are already liberated in disguise of a seeker.

@Raptorsin7 good for you. Happy to hear ?

@Raptorsin7 and what exactly is the "importance" of being conscious?

@Raptorsin7 so what do you mean exactly by saying you are enlightened? What's the difference between you and me?

@Raptorsin7 yes but.. If you don't actually know what existence /consciousness /reality is.. Then how can you be enlightened?

@Raptorsin7 but do you know what it is even intuitively? Or is it a mystery to you?

And what is Consciousness?

I find the concept of not knowing beneficial in the spiritual path. When you really question everything you think you know you will be shocked at how little you know. And it's not extreme to say that you don't know a dam thing. Do you know what anything is or do you just give it a name? For instance.. A cat. You don't know what a cat is. I mean it's essential nature. You just know it's appearance. And you give it a name. A label. We give labels to objects and actions.. We write mathematical equations to describe certain patterns in nature.. We think we know this stuff.. But we actually don't. We don't know what an apple is or what a tree is or what a color is or what a sound is or what a feeling is or what a thought is or what a human is or what any thing is.. Existence is pure undefined magic.. Therefore it is mystical and divine.. It is godly.. But most people are missing the divine nature of existence because they constantly keep lying to themselves that they actually know anything at all. We don't see God because we think we know. God is not knowing.

@Carl-Richard I don't understand your answer.

@Carl-Richard what is the context of existence as a whole? What is it's position? Where is it located?

@Raptorsin7 what is existence? What is nonexistence?

Oh and you know that don't you? I'm talking about a radical level of not knowing. It's a level of not knowing so big that it feels like you're losing your mind and you cannot be sure about an anything. IMO your still attached to the mind and concepts.

Because God is a guy

How about decontextualized?

That It can refuted. Debunked. Shown to be false.

No. Even that can be Deconstructed.

@Javfly33 not knowing is your natural default state. You don't actually know anything about anything. You are just in denial about it.

Whatever man this isn't going anywhere.

@Nahm So you are going to boil all down to there not being a "separate self"? Really? Ok. Not so holistic perspective. You are a separate self. You. You. You. YOU. Who am I talking to right now? The body-mind complex is a self. I think we talked about it last year.. It depends on how you Define the self. If you define it as a unicorn then it does not exist. If you define it as the body mind.. Then it does exist. It's not entirely correct to say that there is no separate self at all... It's true only from a certain relative point of view. However.. Of course in the relative domain there are highly conscious people and ignorant ones. I'm not going to Learn about enlightenment from a fucking pornstar for example. Only from the people who are enlightened. I haven't met you in real life but I assume that you are more spiritually developed than me. But that's not a safe assumption after all.

@lmfao who pissed in your soup this morning?

It's a nice perspective but don't get too stuck. The past can be both real and imaginary at the same time. Try to be more fluid in your perspectives.

@Nahm don't take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be rude.. It's genuine questions. Do you consider yourself fully awake? Do you think you've got it all figured out? Why are you always constantly correcting everyone as if everyone else is false and only you got the right perspective? Do you consider yourself an authority? Do you consider yourself enlightened? Again don't answer if you like. I'm just genuinely curious.