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Thanks brother for the suggestions. I heard that "the seven Habits of highly effective people "book is quite popular and powerful one ? Could you give me a brief introduction of what It is about?

Scientists try very hard to be objective. That’s why they do double-blind randomized trials. That’s why they have peer review. That’s why they encourage other researchers to try to replicat their results. But we are humans and subject to bias. Confirmation bias, expectation bias, selection bias, survivor bias, halo effect… there’s practically no limit to the ways humans can be biased. We do the best we can, and learn as we go.

I'll start by trying to move from a state of "knowing nothing" to knowing something by explaining that it's wrong that you know nothing . It's false that you "literally" know nothing. You may know less than you want to know, but if you really "literally" knew nothing, you wouldn't have been able to read this post . Clearly, you understand English grammar and vocabulary, how to operate a computer, how to read etc. My guess is you also know how to dress yourself, how to brush your teeth, and how to tie your shoes. So i want to distinguish between two types of knowledge. Knowledge at the 1st order and knowledge at the 2nd order .knowledge at the first order is at the level of being .and we don't know anything in that domain .we just observe things and experience them .but we don't know what they are existentially. So for example you can experience the sun..you can look at it ...you can read thousands of science textbooks describing the sun and you still won't know what it is at the level of being. And that is simply because reality is irreducibley mystical and unknown. However that doesn't mean we don't know relative stuff .like we know scientifically how big the sun is ..it's mass..it's gravitational pull on the earth and so forth .but we don't know what the sun is existentially. So it's helpful to distinguish between these two. To strike the perfect balance between thinking you know too much or thinking you know nothing .the truth is you are in the middle point between these two extremes.

I suppose science is really after an understanding of nature. To this extent it is purely a human endeavor that will be inextricably entangled within the realm of human reason and observation. It does seek to discover truths that are universal and therefore somewhat independent from we, the observers; and we therefore place the requirement of consistency to our discoveries; a consistency that must transcend culture, time and place. The ‘scientific method' is designed to ensure that these universal objective ‘truths' about the workings and elements of nature revealed by observation are indeed consistent; thereby possessing some independence from the observer. But that can't happen. As it is shown in quantum physics that the observer actually changes the structure of particles with the act of observation. So to do science that is 100% objective..we need to not involve with our minds in the process of doing ..which is impossible to do because we don't exist outside of reality and measure it from outside. We are deeply interwoven with the fabric of reality itself that we are trying to measure.

Describing the infinitude and majesty of consciousness.

I think you are too demonising blue .it has great values: Searching for meaning, order, routine and security Self-control, discipline and loyalty to the doctrine and the rules Absolute, literal and definite Morality.

Good job man . I don't want to slip back to stage blue. I wanna integrate it. As in completely transcend it and not leaving any shadow of blue present . Im satisfied with stage Orange and I don't feel like growing myself to the higher states because I haven't had the necessary spiritual experiences to upgrade to green, yellow, or turquoise. I experience Blue as without ambition, hiding behind the system, not pragmatic, unmovable, and inflexible. Surely the blind spots are more than its advantages. So how to completely transcend blue ?

@Vibroverse @Inliytened1 My main point in this thread is that we know plenty, but there’s plenty more we don’t know, that’s what makes life interesting. There is a vast amount of stuff to know, it’s impossible to know everything, but be wary of anyone who says we know nothing. Of course we know things, if a tiger is eating you, you’ll know it. If someone asks you what two plus two is, you know the answer. If someone asks you if you exist, you know you do. Many things we know are backed up by many sources of evidence, that’s what makes Science a powerful knowing system. Sure sometimes it’s mistaken, sure the edges at any moment in time can dip into philosophy, sure sometimes tweaks need to be made, but it’s a damn fine way of knowing and knowing for sure.

? lol. I know exactly what you mean and can relate to that . It's like in one hand everything is what it is..so it's just obvious. But on the other hand everything is so mysterious and alien to us that we literally have no clue what anything is. We only believe, we really don’t know what is true. The sense of Knowing is only a product of Faith. By belief, i do not mean only for religious beliefs. Belief is more common than you think. Believing is a sign that our senses is interacting with the world. The perception cannot interact without believing. We are constantly choosing what to believe, we are constantly choosing the idea that makes the most sense to us. We have a list of conditions in our brain that helps us to decide what to believe. That list contents the knowledge we have learnt, and the things we have learnt is not necessary truthful. Do we really know the knowledge we have gained from our observations? Have you doubted your own knowledge? Why do you believe your senses while you are observing? Could your senses be lying to you? By only believing in your senses is already an act of faith. We see it, we believe it, and we know it. What we know is what we believe, it is our perception that is interacting with the world. The perception cannot reach what has not been touched by it, we cannot know what is beyond. What we have known is only a belief.

@Vibroverse are you trying to say that there is a universal subconscious mind that contains all the knowledge about all things like the idea of the Akashic records? But then i ask you again the same thing we've debated last week ..how to access this unlimited knowledge? It must be somewhere right ? What exactly is preventing us from becoming totally omniscient? Honestly, the realization of how little I knew hit me like a wall when I started my first year of college. I was so clueless about so much.. and the realization of how much there was to learn flooded into my mind and made me feel so small and insignificant. But this realization was also, honestly, thrilling. I had a seemingly unlimited amount of awesome shit I could learn and so much of it was fascinating. Of course, I could never dream of learning anything more than a fraction of the knowledge that exists.. but still, a lifetime of learning was something I realized could happen and I was excited

this video perfectly explains everything about knowing vs not knowing. And the distinction between knowing at the level of being vs relative knowing.

Which heaven?

God is also the most despicable evil shit you can imagine . Think the Holocaust.

Because that's all that there is to life .what's the point of life if you cannot get pleasure/happiness/satisfaction from it ?

You got deep down into samsara out of desires to experience samsara(That is eternally going on functional affairs of the world with all its illusions and delusions). Once you are into samsara there is no escape without experiencing the samsara thoroughly. Having reached the peak of samsara you detach yourself from it by becoming free having no desire left like ripen fruits falling off trees.

Leo you sound more delusional recently..are you OK brother ? Why such outlandish and extreme claims ? It's even dangerous to have unprotected sex with people (even attractive people) because you might catch an STD. Let alone having sex with animals which is with the least vulgar language possible disgusting. I mean I could fuck a pink unicorn if it has some feminine curves and shiny colors ?..but goats .no fucking way lol.. I would stil fantasise about banging blondes ..you fantasise about banging goats .. Enjoy your "meta-heaven " .

Why specifically sex with a goat lol.?what's so appealing/pleasurable about that? All religions preach immortality. The question is what kind of immortality is it ? You might end up in hell .who knows ?

@AtheisticNonduality@Inliytened1 that's interesting in theory. But if I present to you a good big mac meal and a pile of dog shit ..all of that will fly out of the window and you will be imagining that there is duality between objects. I mean I get it ..it's impossible to draw a concrete boundary between any two objects in existence. Because it's all one field of consciousness .but at least that's how it appears to be. our conventional experience of a physical world made of separate physical objects is a functionally adaptive chronically sustained delusion. Its a delusion. But it's good for our survival .

That is literally nonsense. It is not sense I Don't just my mind .I use my senses as well .and my senses tell me that reality is just a bunch of colors and sounds and discrete objects and so forth ..if you wanna call it nothing, feel free to do so .but if you actually aren't conscious that it's "nothing " then you are likely deluding yourself.

How ?

We trust scientists when they tell us that the earth is round without needing to see it for ourselves. Because the scientific method have always been successful and truthful in explaining reality. The problem I notice with you is this extreme level of skepticism that its almost epistemological nihilism. There are a lot of things scientists do not know nor do they claim to. Like what is the reason for gravity. There must be something about matter in any form that causes it to be attracted to other matter. The list goes on and on. The question that remains is do they know specifically what things they don’t know. No, they don’t even know that. That doesn’t mean they do not feel good about the things they do know. If they didn’t think they knew a great deal about the world, there would not be such a thing as science. That would be glorious to those who want to keep everything in life a mystery. The one thing scientists don’t know is what they don’t know because once they are made aware of what they don’t know, they know. You know? If that is confusing, suppose a scientist does not know that he does not know how to calculate the mass of the Earth relative to that of Mars. Once she is aware that she does not know how to calculate it, she now KNOWS where her knowledge falls short. Once the unknown is known, it can no longer be unknown.

If I asked you what causes the night and day? Isn't the answer simply that the earth rotates around its axis ? Watch Leo's video called "the power of not knowing ". He pointed out the trap of confusing the first order type of knowledge and the second order type of knowledge. At the level of being..its true ..we don't know Jack shit ..we have no idea what anything is ...BUT that does not mean we can't know stuff relatively. To create a map that approaches the truth ,without actually reaching it fully. Because the truth is infinite .and our scientific instruments are finite . Well..you can read the history of science and how it originated after the dark ages in Europe. It was a new way of understanding reality after religions have shown their impotence in that domain.

That's a meaningless question. It's analogous to asking :is water wet ? You deconstruct everything means you question every belief you have about reality . Namely : 1).the belief that you are a separate self. 2).That there is an external objective reality . 3).that what you are can be captured in a sentence (like I'm infinity or I'm god or I'm love). 4).That you don't have anything else to deconstruct. You only finish the deconstructing process by being left with the only thing that's actually real in reality. which is direct experience.

I seriously considered skipping this but I realized that doing so would have been an answer of sorts already. It's so misguided. Reducing science to just practical work to improve humanity's condition is a huge underestimating of science. I told you the ultimate objective of science is to have perfect and complete understanding of absolutely everything. So science can answer the whys ,the how's, the what's, and anything else . while I do believe that well-posed questions about Nature will always find answers in the sciences, there are plenty of philosophical questions that are of great interest to people, which will never have a “scientific” answer. For instance: Why does the universe exist? Why are we here? What is the meaning of life? And so on. As I said in a few of my answers, those seeking answers to these questions (and not being able to provide answers of their own) should seek advice from priests and philosophers, not scientists Consider this: 10,000 years ago, we knew practically nothing. Now, we know a vast amount about how the universe works. 10,000 years is a blink of the cosmic eye. The universe is nearly 14 billion years old. If our species continues on its current trajectory for even one million years, we may understand all that there is to understand. The universe appears to be deterministic. What this means is that each set of unique conditions appears to lead to one possible outcome that is unique, and cannot be arrived at by other initial conditions. Thus, it should be possible, albeit difficult, to know the initial conditions of the universe, and the conditions of the universe for every moment in time until the end of time. Will we know everything soon? No. But it’s possible, we’re plucky, and we’ve got billions of years to keep learning. My money is on the humans…or their descendants