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If you view a specific section like this one then go to the forum index you will appear logged out temporarily unless you refresh the page . is that what you are experiencing ?

Its just pure imagination shape-shifting substance. This doesn’t mean I know what is that substance but words point . Here's some interesting notes about dreams: 1- they don't have a beginning or context. Its instantaneous "lights on "and a whole scene is there . 2- it's often related to shit that happend in the waking state .so watch out what you input into your so called brain during the waking state cause your mind will create dreams out of that..because what else would you dream about other than stuff you already have in your mind ? 3- the whole solipsism thing is still a hard nut to crack for me. Because obviously you know the entire dream is you imagining the dream world .I don't exactly (yet) see fully why is this so farfetched to be the case with this experience right now.

Give an example . link a conversation. It works so well for me regardless of the topic about spirituality or otherwise.

We basically did . Religion started off as primitive methods of raising consciousness and promoting good values through rituals and sermons and worship. we now have way more advanced techniques than that .

oxymoron.can’t work. religion is a set of spiritual beliefs.

Who is the I that gets it ? what is meant by “self illusion “? Either there is a self or there isn’t..not a self that is illusory . you keep saying there isn’t a me or you while All the time using the pronoun “I”.

Why is there nothing rather than something?

What would stop nothing from becoming something 😂 ? If the primordial state is literally lawless nothing then anything can happen including this universe .

@VeganAwake 🤦‍♂️

The kingdom of heaven is within you." (Luke 17:21) "You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." (Matthew 5:38) “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?" (Matthew 5:43) "Don't worry about tomorrow. It will take care of itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." (Matthew 6:34) "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven." (Luke 6:37) "Do not judge, or you will be judged. For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1) Feel free to share yours 🙏

These two videos totally shattered my anxiety and worry about sleep and immortality and such topics. It's a matter of understanding what sleep is ..and what the real self is ..and what is mortal and what is immortal.

I don't remember anything prior to when I was 6 years old. Let alone prior to my birth . Have you experienced directly the birth of yourself ? The moment you came into existence? The moment you jumped out of eternal oblivion into a world ? All I remember past a certain point in childhood is like a Television's buffering. It isn’t that there must be a little observer sitting inside your head watching everythin...it’s that “obviousness” itself implies some form of awareness . I'm not saying what is the origin of life .I'm saying the origin of consciousness.you are a conscious being .what is the origin of consciousness ? It doesn't matter ?yes it doesn't matter but that's a separate issue . Either answer the question or say I don't know . No problem. Or ? Life is just :wake up..go to work .. sweat ..eat ..drink.. piss ..shit ..fuck.. reproduce ..die..and then nothing ever happened ?!

Yes that's true .bear in mind it's a metaphorical story. It says the Devil (or Serpent ) told them if you eat the fruit you shall become eternal and deathless like God himself. He lied to them since the tree of life is the ticket to immortality. The tree of knowledge will make them see good and evil ..which means judgment and imperfection ..which is a metaphore for losing your innocence as a child and you start judging things .luckily we are hippy folks so ..lol

@cetus the more one ages the more conditioning accumulates . Children like angels . Childhood itself is heaven .

The sermon on the mount from King James bible . This is found in book of Matthew( it's written in Shakespearian English not plain English lol: Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the mercifuls: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven. Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill… But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment… Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Again, ye have heard that it hath been said… Thou shalt not forswear thyself… But I say unto you, Swear not at all… Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye… But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil… Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you… Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them… When thou doest thine alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are… After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance… Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth… But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven… For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. No man can serve two masters… Ye cannot serve God and Devil. Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink… Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not… yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow… Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged… And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction… Beware of false prophets… Ye shall know them by their fruits. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven… Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew… and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand .

@VeganAwake In what right do you demand an answer from me to your question? First answer my questions ..since i asked first .

@VeganAwake If now isn’t a good time.. that’s okay. Can we come back to this later? It’s important to me. you are backing off .

1-What knows that there was no formed existence prior to birth ? When you wake up from sleep..how do you say " I slept well "? What knows that there was no formed existence going on during deep sleep ? 2-the body is a piece of flesh and bones ..how can dead matter produce consciousness? Are you aware that scientists till this day have no idea what the fuck consciousness is ?

You specifically asked what is it "Spiritually ". You didn't ask what it is biologically for example or philosophically . existence includes both yin and yang. You can't even know what happiness is without suffering and vice versa . simplistic way of putting sleep is losing consciousness in the relative sense . consciousness vs unconsciousness or you can say existence vs non existence. The only reason you think what's happening right now is consciousness or existence is because you go to sleep and lose consciousness. If sleep didn't exist..this experience right now would still exist but it won't be labelled as consciousness or existence.

Well ask yourself since you called him a bullshit seller totally unnecessarily..meanwhile you are posting on his forum. Also Leo is obviously conscious of this message. He was done talking about these things back in 2016 . I deeply enjoy your messages but the only downside is you don't have to keep shitting on people who simply share different views than you .

How is this known?

Pure empty existence in its absolute form . Dreams and the waking state are superimposed on it just like a TV screen and a movie being displayed on it. Sleep is like the TV being turned off..dreams and the waking state is like a movie being displayed on the screen . This is what Ramana Maharshi and Robert Adams have taught .

Great analysis. Thanks for sharing.and thanks for bolding the James Al part . The simplicity of being sometimes might be uncomfortable. The ego goes "if there are no problems then let's invent imaginary problems ". The only caveat is there is no need to badmouth Leo.

I've been contemplating this recently and I wish to share this with you guys . Anything I come to know from the external world is prone to error and falsehood . It can never be trusted as an absolute truth.. Because of the very fact that it is derived from the outside world ..which automatically means it has been known by others and now delivered to you..but if it is not derived by you personally..how can you trust it ? Even if Leo or your Guru tells you something.. you should never trust it but you should validate it in your own direct experience..including this very advice from me right now..and this just goes on in a circle and becomes obsessive and meaningless. Like "this statement is false". I think it's a very nasty epistemic problem. This entanglement of everything . just the fact that obviously everything everywhere across all places..and in all dimensions or times or whatever ..everything is interconnected. Like for example you cannot separate the observer from the observed..Or this moment from the next moment . Etc . If you ask AI or Google about any question or information then you have to be skeptical ..because what the hell is the very origin of that information and how was it known at all ? Likewise you can't trust other people. Truth has to be derived personally. But aren't I creating a false duality here which is just circular and absurd? Because there cannot be a personal experience without an other experience..and the two are tied Togther. And if you push this inquiry further to the ultimate end you arrive at the conclusion that since self =other or at least interrelated then it doesn't matter whether you go through the work of discovering truth or whether your Guru spoon-fed you it . It's tricky.

@Hojo the mind is afraid of emptiness. I agree..and this is why once you sit to meditate thoughts go crazy ..because we are addicted to stimulation .we want to be doing something all the time ..and this is why I had insomnia issues because to sleep you are supposed to just lay there on the bed just relaxing and calming down..but I'm used to loud lifestyle like playing games and listening to rap music .also Caffeine and Cigarettes etc .all of this doesn't occur if we lived in nature without electronics..we would sleep at dusk. So I learned to finish all my busy activities during the day and just spend most of the night in activities which are relaxing and calming like reading a book or listening to jazz music or Piano etc .