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This question about control is really not so advanced. There is no spiritual teacher or spiritual teaching that doesn’t address this issue of control . And more importantly the answer is readily obvious in your experience. For whom is there control or there’s not control ? For you .. isn’t it ? The claim is that this “you “ is an illusion. If the separate self is an illusion then free will belongs to no one. So the question itself is based on a false premise . It’s impossible to answer whether you have control or no control if there isn’t a you in the first place . When I say “there is no you “ it’s more accurate to say “there is no separate you “. You exist but not as a separate entity separate from the rest of reality making choices independently. regarding your question about spiritual teachers. All the famous ones ..dead and alive . Rupert Spira ..Eckhart Tolle ..Osho ..Nisargadatta Maharaj..Ramana Maharshi..Robert Adams..Jim Newman ..Adi Shankara etc

Why are you keeping a close eye on me anyways if you don’t like my stuff ? I don’t want to say I had an enlightenment experience because really that’s not how it should be worded . but yes I’m seeing an enlightened guru and getting coached one on one by him and he explained to me the whole Shebang and guided me through direct meditation and communication. also I do my homework. I watch Leo’s lectures (and all famous spiritual teachers ) and take notes and even categorize his different videos on different files on my laptop . So I’m not just hanging out on the forum . I also learned a lot and gained theoretical understanding of these kinds of things . You want to me to spend all this time engaging with these things without gaining understanding? as I said the anger is baked into my genetics .just like if I see a porn video I’m going to have an erection . There is literally nothing “ I “ can do here . Because part of the realization is that the body is off in its own world . I’m not the body . Yes I still get angry and fight with my big brother.

Don’t even get me started . I can be rough . Keep your illusions to yourself if you don’t want them shattered . lol . But you are a good person overall . 😂

@Sugarcoat You’re overlooking something pretty obvious: people grow. That’s the whole point of doing the work. Leo is the perfect example. Years ago he was saying there was no God because he was an atheist and his view of enlightenment was basically standard Buddhist “no-self.” Fast forward to today and he’s shiting on those positions and talking about God and claiming there are endlessly deeper levels of awakening. So why would anyone expect me to be the same person I was ten years ago? Life doesn’t ask for your permission to change you. Life forces you into growth . If you don’t grow and stagnate then you’re as good as dead .

No I’m not . in truth there is no one who can claim he’s enlightened enough and speaks as an authority. Because enlightenment is the very seeing through the illusion of the separate self which is seeking to attain enlightenment. The one you’re talking to you right now and trying to expose or decipher whether he’s enlightened or not isn’t even real . So who’s enlightened ? everything i express is 100% sincere and off the cuff . If I have anger issues I say it . If I have smoking addiction I say it . If I have a spiritual understanding of some topic I say it .

But I just said I’m not .

The human body and brain is going through its own karma . I have no relationship to that whatsoever.The body still gets angry . The body still craves food and a good couple of boobs . “Enlightenment “ just means I’m not that person. I’m not that body and brain . It’s none of my business what the body is going through . I’m watching my life like it’s an interesting movie . im not enlightened. Not because I’m not good enough but because enlightenment itself means there is no one who is enlightened.

Yeah ? What is he doing anyways instead of showing his acrobatic genuineness of how to do a professional devil’s advocate ? all he’s doing is bitching about Leo not keeping up his words about the alien thing . How many times is he going to say this in the most devious manner possible?

I will attempt my best to explain what are the fundamental teachings of Advaita Vedanta as taught by spiritual teachers like Ramana Maharshi..Robert Adams ..Nisargadatta Maharaj . Because I read a lot of confusing and conflicting opinions and discussions around these teachings on the forum . Feel free to skip if you are familiar with this information ..but don’t skip if you are confused about these teachings and you want a reminder or a clarification. The questions which are tackled by these teachers are : what is the self ? What is the nature of consciousness? What is reality ? the claim is that these questions have a definitive final answer if we investigate them directly and by introspection and self-inquiry. But they can never be answered definitively through abstract reasoning and armchair philosophizing alone . your most essential identity is not the body ..or the thinking mind or the personality or personal history or your life story in the past and future.Those are appearances in consciousness.What you truly are is consciousness in which all experiences arise. But of course at the ultimate level that division collapses and there is a total unity between consciousness and appearances within it . But most people are overlooking the pure consciousness which is their essential nature and instead identifying themselves completely with those fore mentioned things . what is the nature of consciousness? What is the nature of the self ? What is the nature of reality? the answer to all these questions is exactly the same ..pure consciousness. How is this known ? by direct observation. I cannot prove logically or abstractly that consciousness is the most fundamental thing in existence and is the fundamental nature of existence. Because in theory the question:” what if consciousness is a byproduct of invisible matter or some other invisible substance? “ can be posited forever without reaching a final conclusion. But you have to understand why that is . It’s because reason and logic itself is secondary. You can’t have logic without consciousness..but you can have consciousness without logic . In fact .. you can’t have anything without consciousness. And again this conclusion can only be arrived at through consciousness itself experientially ..not through thinking . If you ask “but why is experience itself a metric of truth “? The answer is because experience is quite literally all there ever was .. is .. or will be . “But maybe experience itself is an illusion and it’s not happening despite it appearing to happen !!” . Again you can get skeptical in the abstract forever and remain lost in endless skepticism forever . The bottom line is there is no way to prove the existence of experience through thoughts . The only proof of experience is experience itself . The only way you can prove experience is happening is by experiencing experience. moving on. So that’s regarding the answer to the question of what is reality or what is experience or what is consciousness. lets tackle the nature of “you “. Once again there will never be a definitive answer in theory ..only by direct observation. Self-inquiry What is found as “you “ in direct experience? Thoughts arise but You are not the thinker because you can’t guess even the next thought popping in your mind. Actions happen like me typing these words right now but I’m not the doer because I can actually experience that the words are just being written without any clear understanding of how exactly I am doing it . They just “happen “. so notice that I’m conscious of what is happening. Therefore I’m the consciousness that observes everything. And once again If you get even more literal there is no clear boundary between a thought and consciousness of a thought . Therefore you could say you are the thoughts but it’s important to recognize that you are also not the thought but you are consciousness observing it. So the answers to the three questions:what is the self ? What is reality ? What is experience ? Are all the same . Can you tell me what it is if you’ve been following along?

The way I understand this btw is he is saying the ultimate truth can really never be said because once you’re “ there “ you don’t need to voice it or explain it . You just abide in the moment .

You are not explaining yourself clearly, that’s for sure. you didn’t answer the question. You once again treat this as a philosophical discussion about what is more rational instead of a scientific investigation into what is actual . what is more actual and tangible? Consciousness/experience? Or your ideas about what an “absolute “ should be ?

Take a breather. Don’t just say outrageous nonsense in the heat of the moment . Take a break . If you want of course.

You’re theorizing . In your direct experience right now is the “unlimited being “ experienced and substantiated by your consciousness or is your consciousness an emergent phenomenon from some hidden absolute being which isn’t inherently conscious? Which one comes first in your experience..not in your logicing?

thank you for sharing this . It was a mistake on my part to lump Nisargadatta Maharaj together with Ramana Maharshi and Robert Adams.there is a fundamental philosophical difference between them regarding the nature of consciousness and the Absolute. Nisargadatta repeatedly emphasizes that the Absolute (Parabrahman) is beyond consciousness. For him consciousness itself and the sense of “I am” and the entire field of experience is NOT the final reality but a temporary manifestation that appears and disappears. He seems to equate the Absolute with a state of complete absence..not consciousness..not experience not being in any ordinary sense. He often uses deep sleep as an analogy ..not because deep sleep itself is the Absolute but because it points to the absence of conscious experience. Nisargadatta says The Absolute is beyond both consciousness and unconsciousness and beyond being and non being and beyond all categories the mind can conceive. We can discuss that and find out whether it’s true but again through direct observation not only through thinking rationally because rationality isn’t fundamental.

Correct .

Mad respect !

If you have a question ask away and we’ll see if advaita has an answer. stop tiptoeing around.

@Breakingthewall thank you for your participation in this thread.

It’s actually the balls not the dick .

And when you shut up what is left ? This below ? lol

@Breakingthewall what you’re overlooking is I clearly set the rules straight from the get go . no speculations ..no theorizing .. no thought experiments. only direct investigation.

This is theorizing and abstraction. Pure falsehood .you’re 180 degrees on the wrong direction.

That was answered clearly in OP. It’s not a question of“Why would it be that way?” or “Isn’t a simpler explanation better?” .Those are curious questions but they’re speculative. They don’t determine what is true.The more fundamental question is: What is undeniably present? The one thing that cannot be doubted is consciousness itself. Every thought..perception..memory and even your belief in a reality Independent of consciousness and scientific observation appear within consciousness. We have never encountered anything outside of experience..and experience is inseparable from consciousness. consciousness is epistemically fundamental..it is the necessary condition for anything to be known or experienced at all. Whatever reality ultimately is.. it is only ever encountered through consciousness. So if consciousness is fundamental.. that conclusion is not based on speculation about what reality should be like ..but on recognizing the one undeniable fact .

I clearly stated that it’s sickening to me to read the same confused discussions everyday on this forum about these topics . i clearly stated the questions of my inquiry. i clearly stated that these questions can never be closed off by thinking about them abstractly but only through direct investigation. I clearly pointed out to you the falsity of saying the mind and body observe consciousness instead of consciousness observing them . im not going to discuss this topic theoretically . If what you are saying fails against empirical investigation then it’s not worth anything . no need to say I’m sorry . It’s okay .

Ok you’re totally inconsistent. I don’t know what to make of your statements .