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@Natasha Tori Maru what about that quote ?

I genuinely expected Leo to respond with clear-cut answers to my direct questions which are found on the first page of this thread.

I hate this feeling when you hit a dead end and feel like you’re paralyzed, almost as if you’ve been struck by an electrical storm. Your mind stops cooperating with you. You can’t think straight, can’t make sense of what’s happening, and can barely formulate two sentences together and no matter how hard you try, you can’t seem to find a way out. I hate it, until I actually begin to love it. Because somewhere in the middle of all that confusion, something begins to shift because the need to figure everything out starts to lose its grip on me.It clears my head eventually, not by giving me immediate answers, but by making me stop searching so desperately for them. it forces me to let go of control. It’s not a choice. It doesn’t ask for my permission or wait until I’m ready. It simply takes away my ability to hold everything together, to make sense of everything, to find a solution to every uncertainty. For once, I cannot think my way out of what I’m feeling. I have no choice but to sit with it, to allow it to exist without trying to change it. And slowly, almost without me noticing, I begin to enter a peaceful space. A space where I no longer feel the need to have everything figured out .The urgency fades, and I begin to feel lighter, as though something within me has finally stopped resisting. And it’s here, in this space of stillness, that insights and clarity begin to emerge. Not because I’ve forced them to, but because I’ve finally stopped getting in their way. Sometimes, I think, the mind needs to reach a dead end before it can discover a different way forward.

That is correct. I think his answer have landed by not answering at all .

I obviously don’t and can’t control what people say or talk about here , even Leo can’t , unless there is severe violation of the guidelines or something like that . I would like to see more maturity in the discussion. And the only way for this to happen is if the people who post are themselves mature and experienced in consciousness work . If we had 4 people as such , they could autocorrect any confusion which the less experienced members have and help guide the people here towards truthful conclusions about consciousness work .

You could say that, if that’s how you perceive it. it’s difficult to truly know another person’s inner world, even through face-to-face communication, let alone through text messages. Personally, I think he possesses exceptional clarity when it comes to the work of consciousness. that doesn’t necessarily mean he can offer sound advice on practical matters such as health, dating, or other aspects of everyday life. when he attempts to apply his ideas about enlightenment to the practical issues of ordinary life,At that point, it becomes clear that he is conflating consciousness work for guidance about everyday situations. and again that’s my own personal opinion. He’s something from the past now . I wish we could have more people like him on the forum today . Because Leo doesn’t put that much effort on the forum despite posting actively for years because he intentionally posts casually and less formally on the forum.

I changed. I was pretty immature in the past . I’ve worked on myself and I improved.

But That’s exactly the point I’m trying to get at. Why is Leo playing peekaboo with us? He is NOT completely free to play it however he wants . He is an enlightened teacher who teaches spirituality . He share his ideas, influence people, and maintain a presence through his work, but when it comes to actually engaging with the people who have followed him for years, there’s a reluctance to take that next step. it comes across as a kind of “don’t befriend me” attitude, or even outright ignoring members who are trying to establish some genuine connection. Of course, nobody is entitled to Leo’s personal time, he doesn’t need to give a fuck about this thread But I do think it’s fair to question this persistent distance, especially when there’s an entire community of people who have invested considerable time and energy in his work. when I actually asked Leo why he behaves this way, his response was literally that he doesn’t get paid for posting on the forum. Fair enough Why not offer paid coaching sessions, organise small group discussions, or meetups?

Ok . To keep this as constructive as possible. what I’m asking for is this : two questions. I’m satisfied with yes/no answers from Leo . That’s all . Sorry for the drama

I think there are many enlightened or God-realized people who are willing to teach and share their understanding. The problem is finding them and distinguishing genuine realization from intellectual understanding or spiritual claims. But even if finding such people is difficult, the bare minimum should be that those who are not enlightened stop presenting their assumptions, beliefs, and intellectual speculations as direct knowledge of reality. There is nothing wrong with being a seeker or sharing one’s perspective, but there is a problem when people mislead others while speaking with unwarranted certainty about things they haven’t genuinely realized for themselves. I’m very unhappy that I have to mention names , I’m a bit angry, Natasha is a brilliant lady . Emerald is very good. They mostly have emotional awareness and good understanding of communication and socializing dynamics. But I’m speaking specifically about the spiritual forum . I stopped posting here and started a journal because I’m mostly sharing personal reflections instead of claims about absolute truth . It’s obviously attractive to play the online guru game . And I admit that I have fell prey to that trap in the past . But thank goodness I’ve woken up from this and reformed my mind. In this section there are people who are active and spreading nonsense and claiming that all spiritual tearchers are full of shit . There is an ex Mod called Unborntao , he was the only one doing actual consciousness work . He would analyze every single word in a discussion. It’s that level of quality that I’m interested in. Nahm is also accurate as a knife . He is basically a spiritual quantum computer or a spiritual ChatGPT . Both left . Leo is accurate in his videos and the blog . But on the forum he is very cold , lazy , a bit full of himself and doesn’t want to meet people where they are . Etc . All of that could be fixed . But until now , it isn’t fixed .

And so to put this more directly as clear question marks: - can Leo host Zoom meetings with members of the forum ? - it’s ridiculous to even think of bringing Nahm back, and everyone knows why . So , is it possible that Leo could invite some of his fellow peers or friends who are in charge of this field to participate in this forum in order to raise the quality of discussions? thank you very much.

@LastThursday Okay, cool. I think I’ve already explained myself in plain English, but let me clarify a few things. First, I’m not suggesting that Leo and I should have a private conversation. I’m talking about hosting a Zoom meeting where essentially everyone in the community could participate. This has become the trend among online spiritual communities and teachers who teach ideas similar to Leo’s, so I don’t think it’s an unreasonable suggestion. Second, I’m NOT sorry about by my reference to the banned moderator. I know what happened, and I understand that Leo may be in a difficult position here. However, speaking honestly, I believe that person demonstrates a higher level of consciousness than Leo in certain respects, and his understanding of these subjects is more accurate. That’s my genuine assessment, whether people agree with it or not. But honestly, my main concern goes beyond any individual or the possibility of a Zoom meeting. I’m genuinely disappointed with the current quality of this forum. There’s so much low quality content, misinformation, and what I consider to be outright nonsense being discussed in this section. So, if we put the Zoom idea aside, my question is simple: Who am I supposed to learn from here? I think a much more effective solution would be to invite more knowledgeable and genuinely qualified people in these fields to participate in the forum. What saddens me most is that I keep coming across same people nonstop nonsense discussions day after day, while Leo seems to be doing very little to address the problem. I’m not saying any of this simply to criticize Leo or put anyone down. I’m saying it because I genuinely care about the quality of the discussions and the potential this community has. I mean we are talking about understanding the entire fucking world here . Right now, though, I feel that the forum is falling well short of that potential, and that’s genuinely disappointing.

@gettoefl good to see you back .

Leo is blushing or smth? Lol no need for a yes or no. Just let’s entertain the possibility. Get the ball rolling. Have some discussion .

Well you have to be doing “something “: Smoking , fapping , gaming , gym, workaholic, Netflix , music , praying to some god in the clouds Etc . can you sit down with your thoughts alone for 4 hours ? If you can then yes you don’t need any vice . But you yourself said you masturbate . So you answered your own question.

@Leo Gura dude don’t run away like that . You said you admit you don’t Know when it’s the case . Well ,I asked you a very simple question. Why did you choose to ignore it . I’m not entitled of a response but you understand obviously that this is not the issue here . What I said is correct that you don’t want to admit that solipsism is a bunch of potato . You literally said a zillion times that there is only one conscious entity in the universe which is me/you . Then here you are saying “solipsism doesn’t contradict a conscious AI” . This means solipsism is a bunch of potato indeed .I’m calling this out . your ego apparently survives just fine as long as it gets to have the last word. Your position is not even clear enough in this thread . I can’t compose a coherent takeaway from your comments in this thread . It’s just “maybe “, “we don’t know “” absolute vs relative conflation “ etc . Take the microphone please.

The follow up for this which I need to clarify and express : from a purely biological perspective, nature made sex pleasurable to assure the survival of the species. If making babies wasn’t pleasurable enough, nobody would do it and the animal wouldn’t survive because it wouldn’t be able to spread its genes . this is simply programmed into our biology: survival and reproduction is the purpose of our animalistic nature. but we are not just animals . We have evolved higher and we have a significantly higher intelligence and also higher needs than most animals . No animal is interested in going to the moon, but we are. No animal is interested in studying quantum physics, but we are . No animal builds a church or a temple , but we do . We search for meaning , purpose, god , truth , etc . All of these things can never come from the material world . And since sex belongs to the material realm , we can’t extract these values from it . when I say there is no meaning to life , this is NOT a negative . This is NOT Nihilism. What I mean is that the search for meaning and purpose out there , somewhere else , or when we achieve the sexual pleasure we seek etc assumes that our meaning is not here and now . But that is a mistake . No matter who you are , how old are you , your skin color , your ethnicity, your religion, your gender, your age etc you are invaluable as you are right here and right now . There is no action step towards earning your worth . You are enough . This will only become clear to you when you meditate .

Beware of worshipping sex. It’s a trap of life. Sex is not the ultimate purpose of life. It is simply, apparently, one of the most pleasurable experiences in ordinary human chemistry. Hard drugs can take you even higher. But it’s easy to understand why snorting cocaine or injecting heroin isn’t the purpose of life, unless you’re already addicted and stuck in that cycle. But the same goes for sex when you turn it into an object of worship. Sex addicts and porn addicts are among the most miserable people in the world, just like drug addicts. Which is kind of ironic, isn’t it? If these activities are, in fact, among the most pleasurable experiences on the spectrum of human experience, then why are sex addicts and drug addicts often so miserable? Because they have it wrong when they believe that pleasure is the purpose of life. It’s not. Pleasure will never, by itself, give your life any meaning. You can have sex with the entire human race, and you still won’t find meaning in life. So, what is the meaning of life? NOTHING. BEING. THIS MOMENT.

You have to break that down, not just say it in one sentence. Your metaphysical worldview is that you are god , the only being there is and the only consciousness there is and it’s imagining everything. how does this allow for the existence of a conscious AI ? According to this worldview, I’m myself right now is something you are dreaming up .

There is a place where nothing is happening, but it exists and it’s always peaceful.

Your stomach digests food without you being aware of it . Your heart beats on its own without your conscious control. Are you denying that your stomach and your heart are you ?

This is such a naive take, pardon me. there is really no negative consequences to masturbation at all if you are doing it moderately, Without a specific rate . just whenever you feel like you really need to do it in order to clear your head from sexual thoughts and cleanse yourself from unnecessary stress because of suppressed sexual energy. And the reason I say whenever it’s “needed “ , and without a specific “ rate “ is because everyone is different. Your libido depends on several factors: your diet , your fitness, your age ,etc . If you get married and are interested in becoming a father , you have to ejaculate inside your woman’s womb . Now , tell me that that’s “too much “and I shouldn’t become a father ,and retain my seminal fluid forever instead (which is not going to happen because of nocturnal emissions ). semen contains protein, Zink, Calcium, Magnesium, etc . But you never really run out of semen . Your testicle produces semen 24/7 from the nutrients you get from food . now, if you are addicted to compulsive masturbating to unhealthy porn genres, then that’s a completely different thing and I agree that you should not do it in this way .

There is no qualitative difference between imagination and actuality. If you see a yellow cockroach in a dream, what is the difference between the qualia of this dream cockroach and that of an actual one? In both cases, you are experiencing the color yellow. So why do we call a dream cockroach an illusion? Obviously, we see it, so it is not an illusion in the sense that the experience itself is unreal. The experience is real, even if the cockroach we experience is not physical or existing independently from our own perception. But how is dreaming even possible? What exactly is a dream? Well, it is really imagination. We cannot know what anything is beyond perceiving it, experiencing it, and labeling it. Ontologically, we cannot know the true nature of anything beyond how it appears to us through experience. So, in this sense, a dream is no different from reality: both are experienced, both have qualia, and both appear to us as real while we are experiencing them. This means that reality is both unreal and real at the same time. An imaginary cockroach and an actual cockroach may be different in their existence outside our experience, but as experiences, they are qualitatively identical. The dream cockroach is not physically real, we assume..but the experience of seeing it is real. So the distinction between reality and illusion is not as straightforward as we assume. Another thing: there is no creation. Existence was never created. I mean, if the physical world that science studies, and which science claims originated with the Big Bang, was created, then whatever created this universe would itself have to be uncreated and eternal. The ultimate creator would have to be uncreated. And if that is the case, then ultimately, existence itself is uncreated. It was never brought into existence by something else. It is just there.

They are you , ultimately. Just different expressions of the same energy of oneness. apparent diversity and multiplicity in appearance, but same substance.

Yeah reviving this journal . Pretty cringe shit I said back in the days lol.