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Think of it this way : this world is three dimensional in space and one dimensional in time . You have length ..depth and width . And you have time moving from past to present to future. These dimensions limit your ability largely such that if there is a 4th dimension you can’t even imagine it . Just like a two dimensional sentient creature can’t imagine what the third dimension is like . If God is inifinite in all attributes..infinite knowledge ..infinite power.. infinite consciousness etc then it can’t be comprehended from the lower dimensions . The only way to grasp god is again through becoming literally god which is just another word for the Absolute Infinite reality . It’s all YOU and it’s All ME anyways because there can only be ONE absolute infinity . But solipsism says this limited three dimensional universe is the totality of all that there is which contradicts the infinitude of God .

@Inliytened1 Like I said, I’d rather not discuss solipsism right now. It’s a different topic for a different day. And honestly , we’ve already beaten that dead horse into another dimension. There doesn’t seem to be any real consensus on this forum. It’s basically 50% “solipsism is true” and 50% “solipsism is bullshit.” At this point..the topic has officially lost the plot..lost the trend and probably lost the will to live. 😂 Like, fuck solipsism honestly lol.It reminds me of masturbation. Half the planet says it’s good for you. the other half says it’s destroying your soul..testosterone..chakras and possibly the Roman Empire. Meanwhile the sensible answer is probably: dudes, just use some common sense. If you’re single and genuinely sexually frustrated and your boner doesn’t want to sleep like god lol then you need to relieve yourself then go ahead and bust one and carry on with your life. But if you’re doing it eight times a day because you’re bored and it’s turning into an addiction that’s messing with your health and life maybe put the damn thing down and take a walk. 😂 Anywas this thread isn’t about solipsism. The topic here is what sleep actually is because apparently that is the new trendy rabbit hole in online spiritual discourse. if God is conceived is absolute, infinite, and eternally conscious, then God would not need sleep because God could never lose his consciousness because god is absolute indestructible consciousness with no opposite . And this to me resolves one of the biggest existential problems and anxieties that humans worry about regarding fear of nonexistence .. Every night you tell yourself I’m going to stop being the person I was for a while and I trust that I’ll wake up again. But how is that known for certain? …. See ?

I want to share a personal story, an event that happened in my life lately . I thought twice , well actually a thousand times before writing what I’m about to write but my higher self assured me that it’s the right choice to share . My mother is 65 years old . She is definitely in her worst phase in her life , partly because of old age obviously. She has diabetes and high blood pressure and few stones in kidneys and joints friction and pain. She is basically done with life . There is nothing she is looking forward to . She is just praying and living with her condition because she is aware that some people have it a hundred times worse . But is that true ? Let’s see . so she had a heart attack a while ago and basically they found 7 different veins in her heart damaged. The only solution was an open heart surgery. And she did it . They would wound her chest ..and literally break one or two of the chest bones and then remove the damaged veins from her heart and then wound her leg and take 7 healthy functioning veins from her leg and replace them in place of the damaged veins in her heart . All of that of course done under full body binge . Things like this happens all the time in hospitals. But imagine instead of just knowing this mentally , that you actually go through it . I’m a heavy smoker ,so I might get some tumors and damage in my heart even before I hit my 50s. This is a form of suffering, isn’t it ? now , she finished the operation successfully and woke up and the recovery period was even more painful. She couldn’t do anything except lying there in bed . I had to feed her , shower her, clean her Pampers cause she can’t walk to the toilet. the days went by and of course she regained some vitality and energy but another thing happened. Her stomach started hurting because of spending a long time without moving and she had her “waste “ solidifying like a brick of concrete or steel . For three days she couldn’t defecate. you take it for granted that you are able to defecate ? You are a delusional devil . the only solution was Suppository which is a small medicine inserted into the anus that dissolves and helps trigger a bowel movement. And we did that .she ended up defecating with bleeding . for the next couple of days she entered a level of emotional and mental suffering so overwhelming that her mind seemed to distance itself from what was happening. She was experiencing so much suffering that she couldn’t believe it was happening. It felt unreal . She felt like she was detached from what was happening to her and from reality . Or I would describe it as she was going through so much mental and physical suffering to the point she couldn’t believe this was actually happening to her for real .basically dissociation.We couldn't talk with her even though she was wide awake but she was very sad about what happened to her that she couldn’t function. thank goodness, that too ended and right now she is 100% awake, alert , able to talk ,able to walk , able to feed herself, able to go to the bathroom without needing any help . now , I have a question here : what is that about ? Just WHY? and I know some people have it worse . Now imagine death . Imagine physical death . You are going to die one day . I will repeat that again even though that idea itself creates so much shock that we start to also dissociate whenever we confront it : You . Are . Going . To . Die. One . Day . death is scary because of two things : we don’t actually know what is going to happen after we completely die . With the caveat that some spiritually awake individuals do know but they can’t communicate it with words . The second reason is because the process of dying is painful . And get real , pain is bad .its just wrong , right ? It shouldn’t exist . It’s a mistake . “All is well “,”God Is Love” my ass . Of course it depends. Taking a bottle of sleeping pills and passing away peacefully in your bed isn’t as painful as burning to death . But death is going to fuck the ego completely in the ass . The ego is going to lose the game no matter what , that’s why again and again “surrender while you are still alive “. awakening is the solution .there's no other way around it. Like I said The kicker is of course.. You have not the first clue what's going to happen after death. Unless you awaken to what death is . The true self or the soul is eternal because it’s derivative from god and god is eternal and can never die but The body seems to die. What goes on after that? Nobody knows. Again it depends of course on how does one die. Suffocating to death doesn't sound like a pleasant experience in comparison to dying without any melodrama (like dying while sleeping). But the moment of death..that one final moment is when the levels of fear reach infinity. This moment is what I'm terrified from to an unimaginable degree . And this moment is ego losing to God . And afterwards you are under God’s command, mercy , decree . He will do with you whatever he wants and you have no say in the matter . All you have is the ability to discover is God good or evil ? Is existence good or evil ?

This can’t work. If my feeling of being separate disappears how can I still exist as individual which is by its etymology means I’m separate from the rest of existence? It’s pure contradiction. Can you clarify more ? If my sense of being separate really disappears without coming back ,”I” would literally die and all will be left is reality doing what reality does .

1) all of existence is myself . All of us are expressions of the same energy. For two human bodies to perceive the world simultaneously does not contradict oneness . 2) I’m not sure what is your second point regarding randomness.

I prefer leaving this point as far as this topic goes . It’s definitely a challenging topic and I’m not going to claim I know the answer with 100% certainty. I totally agree but the conclusion here is exactly what i said . Logic breaks . Duality collapses . But thinking and reasoning only works through distinctions and me and you just agreed that distinctions collapse regarding God and we must embrace paradox .

God is more than me because I (the human being typing these words) can’t move a mountain or create a fucking insect on the street . God is also me because creation does not possess existence independently it receives or “borrows” its existence from God. Where else would it come from ?

Are you saying for perfection to be truly perfection it has to include imperfection within itself ? Am I understanding you correctly? No . Be precise. mind or awareness? They are not the same thing . Mind is a concept and I explained to you how illusory it is. so your question does the physical world exist independently from my awareness? yes it does . when you close your eyes… the screen doesn’t cease to exist. The universe exists . the universe is contingent. therefore the perfect necessary being (God) exists . you can know that . the every essence of God is itself is impossible to answer because it’s prior to definition, language, thought , forms, distinctions etc. knowing must dissolve into being . Even God doesn’t know what God is. Because there is no knower and known . It just is God .

My own contemplation + insights I learned from Leo+ some knowledge about God from the Quran + AI editing my terrible punctuation.

The answer is simply that it’s impossible for a perfect ,all-powerful being to get tired . but for argument’s sake, if God lost consciousness even for a microsecond , the entire universe will collapse or ceases to exist. I swear . I’m dead serious. there is no such a thing as a “mind “. Show it to me . It has no form or actual existence. The misunderstanding happens because we assume that our thinking processes and constant state of daydreaming ,talking to ourselves, imagining , dreaming etc has a generator entity which we call the mind . But there is no such thing in reality . we also assume that the mind is in the head . We assume the self is in the head or the face or behind eyes . Simply because most of the fives senses are located only in the head : the eyes for sight , the ears for hearing , the nose for smelling , the mouth for tasting . Whereas the touching sense is spread equally across your skin all over your body . So we think of ourselves as the mind or the ego which lives in the head or the face . If your eyes and ears were located at your feet , you would think the mind is in your feet . the universe exists because God created it . The mechanism by which god creates is through direct manifestation without needing anything else . this particular universe before your eyes appears physical , material , etc call it whatever you want . but the universe could have been mental like a dream . the nature of God itself is beyond physical vs mental . It’s 100% ineffable.

guys ..make a decision to stop . I’m familiar with both of you . You know better.

And @Joseph Maynor entered the chat .

I was responding to your message.

*Amen .

Correct. that still doesn’t answer what is the thing I want to dedicate my life to.

This is false . The unseen to the seen ratio is actually like 99% / 1%. the surface of perception is not even close to a particle of sand in the whole earth’s deserts to the entire physical world . Let alone the spiritual world and the spiritual creatures like angels and ghosts .

Yes, I did investigate the investigator. I did self-inquiry as taught by Ramana Maharshi and Robert Adams. I focused on the sense of “I” and tried to hold on to it, but I couldn’t, because it’s unstable. There is no fixed, separate self. I traced this “I-thought” all the way back to its source. I asked, “Who am I?” The correct way of doing self-inquiry isn’t by giving a verbal answer to this question, but by letting the question dissolve the one who is asking it. Who is asking? If I met God and I could ask Him any question, I would ask Him, “What should I ask?” And He would reply, “Why should you ask anything?” I’m familiar with Zen koans and all of this. And I’ve asked myself: why is there a need to know? The answer is simply that there is no good reason. You can do whatever you want with your life. There is no inherent reason behind people’s different motivations or what they choose to dedicate their lives toward. But here is the thing: what is the best thing I should dedicate my time and energy toward? The answer varies between people because people are different. And the answer can vary even for the same person throughout their life. The child cares about candy. The teenager cares about video games and doing cool shit with his buddies. A husband cares about taking care of his wife and children. The old man starts contemplating his death and wondering what all of this has been about. For me personally, I’ve spent a lot of time on self-inquiry and the neo-Advaita path. I’ve gone deeply into questioning the sense of self, tracing the “I” back to its source, and seeing through the idea of a fixed, separate self. But it no longer feels like the best way for me to live my life. And perhaps that is itself something worth recognizing: seeing through the self doesn’t necessarily tell you what to do with your life. It can answer the question of who you are, or at least dissolve the assumptions behind that question, without giving you a particular direction for how to live. So now the question that feels more alive to me is not “Who am I?” or even “Why do I need to know?” It is simply: What is worth dedicating my life to?

I want to deeply understand what sleep is . And what dreams are .

Note: God is obviously not a “he.” God doesn’t sleep because God is always aware. God is all-seeing, which means God sees everything. God is all-hearing, which means God hears everything. God is all-knowing, which means God knows everything. God is all-pervading and exists everywhere and everywhen. God is alive. Humans are also alive. But God’s life is the actual independent life because it is self-sustaining. God doesn’t depend on or need anything external to Himself to make Him alive. Whereas a human needs oxygen 24/7 and needs water and food. And even then, the human will die because it can’t sustain itself forever. As soon as a baby is born, it starts dying slowly. God is the only thing which could be rightfully said to be truly ALIVE because His life is self-sustaining and doesn’t need external resources to support it constantly. The second reason is because He will never die. That which is truly alive is that which will never die—which is God, not a human. Physics, till this day and age, doesn’t know why the universe doesn’t disappear into nothingness immediately for no reason. What sustains it? Well, the answer is that God does. God holds the fabric of space and time together with His will such that it doesn’t go “poof” just like that. And this doesn’t cost Him energy or effort because He is all-powerful and He does anything He wants through sheer will. If He wants to create a universe, He thinks it up, snaps His fingers, and there it is. That’s the mechanism by which God creates. A human needs God, but God doesn’t need anything. God doesn’t need anything because He is the wealthiest being ever. Why? Because all of existence is His property and possession. I possess a car or a house or money. But God possesses everything, including my car, my house, and my money. In fact, I don’t even possess anything. Nothing is truly mine because one day I will lose everything I possess. So I actually possess nothing. And God possesses everything. God is rich. The richest. If you want to be the richest being ever, you have to stop being human and become God. When you become God, you possess all that there is. I’m aware. God is aware. I can see. God can see. I can hear. God can hear. But my awareness and sight and hearing aren’t complete because I fall asleep. But God never sleeps. God is always awake. Always aware of everything. Always knowing everything. Always seeing everything. Always hearing everything. But I fall asleep. Deep sleep is a temporary death. Humans fear death because humans fear nonexistence. In deep sleep, no forms exist. Not even darkness or silence. Nothing at all. That’s a lack. God doesn’t sleep because if He slept even for a second, the whole universe would disappear because the only reason the universe doesn’t disappear is because God sustains it with His will. But doesn’t God feel tired from not sleeping? Why do we sleep? Because we feel tired of being aware. But why is being aware for 18 hours or more tiresome? Because our awareness is limited. And because we are mortal. A day is a metaphor for a lifetime. You wake up in the morning refreshed and energized. You are born as a baby and a child with vitality. Then, as the day goes on, you increasingly get tired, and then you go to bed to die temporarily, or sleep. Likewise, you grow older and get more and more tired until you are so tired that you die and disappear. But God is always absolute awareness. Never sleeps and never dies without getting tired. If you want to never get tired and never experience death, you must stop being human and become God. This is a direct insight I derived from contemplating god which made me feel very happy to understand. Thanks to the Quran as well as Leo’s teachings, obviously it’s not 100 % original.

I don’t “ need “ to respond but I can respond if I want to. But more importantly because anyone who’s into Actualized org is intelligent . And hopefully I’m talking with an intelligent person who’s capable of juggling different perspectives simultaneously instead of repeating the same bullshit for 1000 years .

The Bible is a book . Books contain words and sentences . Words and sentences are called language. Any Language is a collection of symbols which are agreed upon to convey a meaning or a concept or mental image inside the readers mind . When you hear a Chinese person talking you feel like he is just making annoying sounds with his mouth . So language is relative . God is the Absolute. The absolute can’t be confined into a relative and limited medium of expression. At least not fully . Not really.

What does any of that have to do with the discussion? I’m talking to a stranger on the internet about deep philosophical questions. I’m not interested in your personal life..your biography or whatever else you think is relevant. I’m interested in the discussion we’re actually having. If you’re busy with the three boy's birthday party then don’t post today . The bolded part is where you seem to completely miss the point: “thoughts and apparent answers “matter. They matter because we are trying to investigate something. If your response to every attempt at investigation is “there is no self..nothing is happening.. bla bla bla” then congratulations ..you’ve successfully turned a potentially interesting philosophical discussion between two human beings into a discussion between a human and a robot. You’re one of the most closed-minded people I’ve encountered in this community. Not because you hold a particular position..but because you seem almost incapable of stepping outside that position to actually examine anything else. Everything gets filtered through the same Jim Newman-style template. Ask a question? “There is no one asking.” Raise a possibility? “There is no one to understand it.” Explore an implication? “Bla bla bla.” Challenge the premise? Repeat the premise even louder. And the funniest part is that you seem genuinely afraid of engaging with these questions in an open-minded way. What exactly are you worried about? If the position is genuinely beyond question..then questioning it should cause absolutely no threat to it. But apparently even entertaining another perspective is dangerous territory for you . I understand the whole neo advaitan uncompromising nonduality position. I really do. The message is essentially that there is no separate self..nothing to attain..nothing to become and ultimately no meaningful message being delivered. Fine. That’s internally coherent on its own terms. And for some people..that radical perspective may be liberating or point toward a profound inner peace. And it is like that for me as well . Pretty interesting stuff . But here’s the part you seem unable or unwillingto grasp ..That doesn’t make it the only legitimate way of investigating reality. Some people are interested in going further into questions about consciousness ..subjectivity..perception.existence..thought experience.. how to integrate modern science with traditional religion and with esoteric spirituality.. because we need the three in our lives not just one . We don’t live on bread alone . We are not just some biological animals who want to eat drink piss shit fuck reproduce shower sleep and die . And yes I’m aware of the standard disclaimer: the message is meaningless..there are no promises,..there is nothing to understandetc. Wonderful. Then let’s stop pretending that endlessly repeating those disclaimers constitutes philosophical investigation. If you genuinely believe the entire thing is beyond concepts and cannot be meaningfully discussed then by all means stop discussing it. But you see you keep logging in into the forum and you keep discussing. if you’re going to participate in a philosophical discussion ..at least participate in the discussion. You don’t have to agree with me. You just have to demonstrate that you’re capable of thinking beyond the boundaries of the conclusion you’ve already decided is correct.Because “bla bla bla no self” isn’t an argument. It’s just autism .

This is a good video briefly outlining the description of the afterlife in different religions and traditions. Notice the similarities between them and ignore the minutia.

Dream wife material lmao 🤣