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Interesting. I'm not sure about that .that's a challenging topic. Shit..it is the most important topic ever ..the question of who am I and where we came from and where are we going etc . Notice though that claiming we will never know is a claim of knowledge in itself . How do you know that you will never know ?

@Ishanga thanks I appreciate you and not trying to come off as trolly or dismissive...but You're begging the question. We is I? And I is us ? And us is we and we is you ? I'm sorry but there is no escaping the elephant in the room. Epistemology of definition is on the list just for you.

Indeed maybe . And maybe we are inside a video game that some teenagers are playing in the year 2097. I'm not interested in the "maybe ". I'm interested in what is actually happening?

@Ishanga thanks . If you want to carry on this conversation please do so..and if you think its pointless then ignore me. What is "We" EXACTLY? Its obviously not the body since we control the body . How does "effort " equal free will ? Like let's say I do 100 push ups a day and you are a big guy so you do 1000 push ups a day ..then that means you have more free will than me ? Define "Mind ". Define "we" . Define "awareness " They are obviously not the same thing since they are ingredients in a process you are describing . Take your pinky finger and point to "you". Break down this entire process with tangible examples . So you can actually measure a percentage of free will ? That's a whole can of worms into itself .shall we get into how does work EXACTLY?

@Ishanga define free will ,according to you .

Why can't you change gravity in some of your dreams when you are the one imagining it ? You don't fly in most of your dreams right ?

"The real illusion " 😂🥴

Whatever but there are very naive contradictions here ..if the body doesn't belong to me but to god ..then it's already not mine and belongs to god ..but you suggest that I should surrender it to god which means It belongs to me and not to god presently ..which is why I have to surrender it to god . But I see what you are trying to say anyways. Thanks brother .🙏 P.s: rest is not bs ... because if you don't sleep for 3 days you are guaranteed to kill yourself or end up in insane asylum 😉

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I disagree.

Who said this forum is about debate? That's not the correct word . Maybe discussion. It's very problematic that some people come here to debate and prove their intelligence or something. I mean it's very tempting and sexy to do that but if we can be more humble then this forum has potential to be very valuable.

I agree .. But here's something: you probably would agree that most people on this forum are aware of this .. then why I find it very pervasive here that people can't zoom out and realize that at the end of the day we're just not gonna agree over everything? On this very section It happens. I didn't choose this topic randomly.

Yes .why people struggle to get this despite how simple it is, is the question I would like to explore.

@Hojo it's easier than breathing to get which is why it baffles me that almost nobody in mainstream society gets it . "Understanding why people are stupid " is my next post lol. Leo literally has an excellent video called "why people seem crazy" 😂

Another way to put it is that people don't actually judge your opinions but they judge their own understanding of your opinion .

@Natasha Tori Maru of course you are wrong and I'm right about free will .

Same thing . Their accumulation of these things as well .

@Never_give_up what I'm sensing is that you are basically an introverted nerd to put it shortly. And you believe girls are only attracted to bad boys. Since you say you are good intellectually..can I ask you have you ever questioned that belief? You can't convince yourself that out of the billions of girls in the world you can't find a girl that is into your type ? There is no such thing at all as you can never find a girlfriend because of what you mentioned in OP. Your mind is lying .

@Natasha Tori Maru OK.

@Natasha Tori Maru because there is no nuance to the topic . all those replies are totally wrong. my reply is what is the answer is. omg so we don't have responsibility? Yes we don't . Omg so morality is nonsense? Yes it is nonsense. Yada yada . Sorry thats the truth .nothing personal.

@Natasha Tori Maru no its not complicated and everything you said is false. Get a piece of paper and pen.. and write down the first movie that comes to mind. Notice how the content of whatever movie it was..was completely unanticipated and random? Now extend the realization of this experience of happening of thinking of a movie to your entire existence. Free will ain't there. It's all just pure happening. To people who think they have free will: what the fuck is wrong with you ? Of course nothing .

@Hojo come on.

@Dodo I heard that you can't become a Guru without having an untrimmed long grey beard . Now that Rupert is starting to grow one ..I might start taking him seriously with his British accent .