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christianity ✝️ : The concept of heaven in the afterlife in Christianity and the bible is so boring and disappointing. You will simply be in the companion of Jesus christ and glorifying the Lord for all eternity. We will be like the angels that hold the throne of God. We will be made of pure light just like angels. And we will praise and glorify God for the rest of eternity. Until the end of time .which of course has no end . If you ask me i would rather go to hell than exist in this boring place forever..that is the heaven as described in the bible . islam ?: When it comes to Islam though..things get a little bit interesting. Heaven in Islam is simply a place for hedonism. Its described as an infinite garden full of all kinds of tasty fruits and other kinds of food (rivers of honey and milk and wine ) all mentioned in the quran ..and the most important part of course is the 72 virgins lol. Muslims believe that in heaven you will engage in eternal sex with heavenly gorgeous women forever without getting tired or bored.and without your dick going numb .you will be in a constant state of sexual excitement until the end of time .which of course has no end . If you ask me ..Mohammed was a genius in his description of heaven to motivate people to follow his religion. Buddhism ☸: finally let's talk about Buddhism .Buddhists have a term for heaven which is called "Nirvana ". Nirvana is the ultimate aim of every serious Buddhist. Nirvana Is simply a complete lack of existence. Pure nothingness. According to Buddhism we live and reincarnate over and over again in this cycle of life and death called "Samsara " and life in Buddhism =suffering. And the root of suffering is our endless desire that can never be satisfied. So we should pursue killing our desire to break out of the cycle of life and Death to enter the sweet nothingness of Nirvana and never ever reincarnate again . If you ask me..Buddhism is a bit of nihilistic religion. When the heaven to them equals ceasing to exist. Then its a pretty depressing view . So what's YOUR view and definition of heaven? Do you even believe in an afterlife ? Can heaven be actualized in this world? And how would you describe your perfect paradise?.

Yeah it's just a story .a way of making sense of reality (which Is completely senseless ). There is no storyline to reality .reality is just spontaneous occurrence. Completely chaotic .

Well fuck god then . If I could only see this motherfucker... Oops ..I just realised i can see him In the mirror

And why it's doing that ? Why can't it just stay in its original state of omniscient and omnipotence? Why is God such a drama queen?

@DocWatts i agree with what you're saying. Although science is never 100% objective..for the reasons you mentioned...it is still by far our best tool to approach as much objectivity as possible. Science relies on objective evidence and accepts no statements about reality to be absolutely and immutably true. So, it uses objective evidence rather than authority to decide between two competing theories. So that's credit specifically for the scientific method. unlike Faith which tries to shoehorn evidence into its fixed beliefs, Science fits ideas to objective evidence. Science is not about the Truth but about true enough. That being said, Science works and allows us to build technology to make our lives easier. You try and build a working satellite network, a functioning helicopter, or, even discover a new treatment for a disease solely relying on the content of sacred texts and Received Wisdom from preachers. Good luck!

@Mu_ I'm actually leaning more towards the postion that science cannot be 100% objective. For the reasons you mentioned and for other reasons as well. Science tries it’s hardest to be objective. It has measures and procedures to make sure that whatever it observes or measures looks the same to all who observe or measure it, on the assumption that if everyone sees the same thing then that thing must be “objectively” true. But it isn’t. Measurements are always a bit off, from one measurer to another. Statistical error exists. An experiment performed few decades later suddenly yields different results than it did when performed previously. A genius comes along proposing his own perception of reality, and suddenly all the previous “laws” and “truths” become wrong and the new perception becomes the “objective truth”. No matter how scientists, being human, resist change - change happens, and change undermines the notion of objectivity. The only place where science is truly objective is in the minds of it’s many worshippers. Still, in the search for “the true truth”, the objective truth, science didn't do much better than religion did in it’s search for the “true God”.

The concept of 'love on the first sight' is another concept that is found in literature of romance genre. Occasionally,people claim of having this feeling or the moment. Is it a real thing? Or is it a 'made-up' reason for getting attracted towards or falling in love with someone when it is impossible to deliver a rational reason? Or is it a variation of the Deja vu phenomenon ? I believe its Made up. An individual finds one attractive by bodily symmetry to what I understand. So, we label an individual attractive and try to describe an intangible feeling with pretty romanticized words by "love at first sight" and "soul mates." Seems to me like a type of personal justification for whom they had chosen. For me that's just a girly thing .like a girly fantasy. like it's gonna find the perfect handsome boy to fall in love with. Its completely different for us guys. We want to basically sleep with every single hot woman we encounter .but girls mostly want one guy. Also girls care more about romance. While guys,all they care About is sex.

I can't take psychedelics unfortunately. They are illegal in my country . But I promise you to write less mental masturbation In the future. This thread was just for fun anyways .

Thanks brother for the suggestions. I heard that "the seven Habits of highly effective people "book is quite popular and powerful one ? Could you give me a brief introduction of what It is about?

Scientists try very hard to be objective. That’s why they do double-blind randomized trials. That’s why they have peer review. That’s why they encourage other researchers to try to replicat their results. But we are humans and subject to bias. Confirmation bias, expectation bias, selection bias, survivor bias, halo effect… there’s practically no limit to the ways humans can be biased. We do the best we can, and learn as we go.

I'll start by trying to move from a state of "knowing nothing" to knowing something by explaining that it's wrong that you know nothing . It's false that you "literally" know nothing. You may know less than you want to know, but if you really "literally" knew nothing, you wouldn't have been able to read this post . Clearly, you understand English grammar and vocabulary, how to operate a computer, how to read etc. My guess is you also know how to dress yourself, how to brush your teeth, and how to tie your shoes. So i want to distinguish between two types of knowledge. Knowledge at the 1st order and knowledge at the 2nd order .knowledge at the first order is at the level of being .and we don't know anything in that domain .we just observe things and experience them .but we don't know what they are existentially. So for example you can experience the sun..you can look at it ...you can read thousands of science textbooks describing the sun and you still won't know what it is at the level of being. And that is simply because reality is irreducibley mystical and unknown. However that doesn't mean we don't know relative stuff .like we know scientifically how big the sun is ..it's mass..it's gravitational pull on the earth and so forth .but we don't know what the sun is existentially. So it's helpful to distinguish between these two. To strike the perfect balance between thinking you know too much or thinking you know nothing .the truth is you are in the middle point between these two extremes.

I suppose science is really after an understanding of nature. To this extent it is purely a human endeavor that will be inextricably entangled within the realm of human reason and observation. It does seek to discover truths that are universal and therefore somewhat independent from we, the observers; and we therefore place the requirement of consistency to our discoveries; a consistency that must transcend culture, time and place. The ‘scientific method' is designed to ensure that these universal objective ‘truths' about the workings and elements of nature revealed by observation are indeed consistent; thereby possessing some independence from the observer. But that can't happen. As it is shown in quantum physics that the observer actually changes the structure of particles with the act of observation. So to do science that is 100% objective..we need to not involve with our minds in the process of doing ..which is impossible to do because we don't exist outside of reality and measure it from outside. We are deeply interwoven with the fabric of reality itself that we are trying to measure.

Describing the infinitude and majesty of consciousness.

I think you are too demonising blue .it has great values: Searching for meaning, order, routine and security Self-control, discipline and loyalty to the doctrine and the rules Absolute, literal and definite Morality.

Good job man . I don't want to slip back to stage blue. I wanna integrate it. As in completely transcend it and not leaving any shadow of blue present . Im satisfied with stage Orange and I don't feel like growing myself to the higher states because I haven't had the necessary spiritual experiences to upgrade to green, yellow, or turquoise. I experience Blue as without ambition, hiding behind the system, not pragmatic, unmovable, and inflexible. Surely the blind spots are more than its advantages. So how to completely transcend blue ?

@Vibroverse @Inliytened1 My main point in this thread is that we know plenty, but there’s plenty more we don’t know, that’s what makes life interesting. There is a vast amount of stuff to know, it’s impossible to know everything, but be wary of anyone who says we know nothing. Of course we know things, if a tiger is eating you, you’ll know it. If someone asks you what two plus two is, you know the answer. If someone asks you if you exist, you know you do. Many things we know are backed up by many sources of evidence, that’s what makes Science a powerful knowing system. Sure sometimes it’s mistaken, sure the edges at any moment in time can dip into philosophy, sure sometimes tweaks need to be made, but it’s a damn fine way of knowing and knowing for sure.

? lol. I know exactly what you mean and can relate to that . It's like in one hand everything is what it is..so it's just obvious. But on the other hand everything is so mysterious and alien to us that we literally have no clue what anything is. We only believe, we really don’t know what is true. The sense of Knowing is only a product of Faith. By belief, i do not mean only for religious beliefs. Belief is more common than you think. Believing is a sign that our senses is interacting with the world. The perception cannot interact without believing. We are constantly choosing what to believe, we are constantly choosing the idea that makes the most sense to us. We have a list of conditions in our brain that helps us to decide what to believe. That list contents the knowledge we have learnt, and the things we have learnt is not necessary truthful. Do we really know the knowledge we have gained from our observations? Have you doubted your own knowledge? Why do you believe your senses while you are observing? Could your senses be lying to you? By only believing in your senses is already an act of faith. We see it, we believe it, and we know it. What we know is what we believe, it is our perception that is interacting with the world. The perception cannot reach what has not been touched by it, we cannot know what is beyond. What we have known is only a belief.

@Vibroverse are you trying to say that there is a universal subconscious mind that contains all the knowledge about all things like the idea of the Akashic records? But then i ask you again the same thing we've debated last week ..how to access this unlimited knowledge? It must be somewhere right ? What exactly is preventing us from becoming totally omniscient? Honestly, the realization of how little I knew hit me like a wall when I started my first year of college. I was so clueless about so much.. and the realization of how much there was to learn flooded into my mind and made me feel so small and insignificant. But this realization was also, honestly, thrilling. I had a seemingly unlimited amount of awesome shit I could learn and so much of it was fascinating. Of course, I could never dream of learning anything more than a fraction of the knowledge that exists.. but still, a lifetime of learning was something I realized could happen and I was excited

this video perfectly explains everything about knowing vs not knowing. And the distinction between knowing at the level of being vs relative knowing.

Which heaven?

God is also the most despicable evil shit you can imagine . Think the Holocaust.

Because that's all that there is to life .what's the point of life if you cannot get pleasure/happiness/satisfaction from it ?

You got deep down into samsara out of desires to experience samsara(That is eternally going on functional affairs of the world with all its illusions and delusions). Once you are into samsara there is no escape without experiencing the samsara thoroughly. Having reached the peak of samsara you detach yourself from it by becoming free having no desire left like ripen fruits falling off trees.

Leo you sound more delusional recently..are you OK brother ? Why such outlandish and extreme claims ? It's even dangerous to have unprotected sex with people (even attractive people) because you might catch an STD. Let alone having sex with animals which is with the least vulgar language possible disgusting. I mean I could fuck a pink unicorn if it has some feminine curves and shiny colors ?..but goats .no fucking way lol.. I would stil fantasise about banging blondes ..you fantasise about banging goats .. Enjoy your "meta-heaven " .